Is Tomlin coaching for his job?

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Re: Is Tomlin coaching for his job?

Depending on how this season plays out, I think it's very possible that Tomlin could be coaching for his job.

The reason I posted the .jpeg earlier in this thread is because I didn't see the premise as being remotely close to a realistic scenario. Apparently I'm one of the only people that feels that way.

My opinion is that unless we go 1-15 this season and Tomlin punches Rooney II in the face while wiping his bad word with a Terrible Towel he's not going anywhere.

Not sure why people would even think this. We're not the typical knee jerk reaction having type of organization. We...you know...won the SuperBowl two seasons ago...etc etc.

Why would we get rid of him?

I seriously cannot think of any reason that does not boil down to certain melanin-deficient individuals being unwilling to accept a melanin-proficient individual leading their favorite football team.

The way some people talk about him, you'd think we just went 6-10, 4-12, and 7-9 instead of 10-6, 12-4, and 9-7, with our 6th Super Bowl victory 15 months ago.

You hit the nail on the head. Some never accepted the hiring and look for every excuse they can to find a reason to find fault and suggest Tomlin will be sent out of town.

You stated the records and like I said if getting rid of a coach with that performance is an example of Art II's management approach then we will be the Oakland Raiders within 5 years.

If you guys are trying to pin the racist label on me- you are waaaaay off target.

Clearly, you either did not read what I posted- or are not comprehending it.

ARII, himself, indicated that had the team not won the last 3 games last season- we'd be having a much different off season. Does that mean the Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator??? I don't know- but it was a warning.

Now- add all the other factors into the equation.

I did not say that they want to get rid of him, or that I want him gone.

I said that - IF Tomlin goes into this season - without an extension, in the last year of his contract- so he becomes in effect a "lame duck coach"...

I would pretty much promise you- he is coaching for his job. There is almost no other way to look at it. Other than his last season- Bill Cowher never went into the last year of his contract without it being renegotiated- prior to the final year.

If you can give me a logical response supporting a different position- outside of - that is not how the Rooneys do things... I'm willing to listen.

But the, that is how the Rooneys operate position, actually supports my claim.

If he wasn't coaching for his job- he'd already have the extension. (again, assuming he is not extended prior to the beginning of the season.)

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Tomlin always said he was cheap labor... Maybe the Rooneys are trying to low ball Tomlin or the pending lockout has something to do with it.

Who knows but one thing I do know is the Rooneys never dump a HC... but they also never give big contracts or bring back old players.

I have no idea but I doubt Tomlin is on the chopping block.

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If you guys are trying to pin the racist label on me- you are waaaaay off target.

Clearly, you either did not read what I posted- or are not comprehending it.

ARII, himself, indicated that had the team not won the last 3 games last season- we'd be having a much different off season. Does that mean the Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator??? I don't know- but it was a warning.

Now- add all the other factors into the equation.

I did not say that they want to get rid of him, or that I want him gone.

I said that - IF Tomlin goes into this season - without an extension, in the last year of his contract- so he becomes in effect a "lame duck coach"...

I would pretty much promise you- he is coaching for his job. There is almost no other way to look at it. Other than his last season- Bill Cowher never went into the last year of his contract without it being renegotiated- prior to the final year.

If you can give me a logical response supporting a different position- outside of - that is not how the Rooneys do things... I'm willing to listen.

But the, that is how the Rooneys operate position, actually supports my claim.

If he wasn't coaching for his job- he'd already have the extension. (again, assuming he is not extended prior to the beginning of the season.)

Why would he be coaching for his job other than the fact that he hasn't gotten an extension yet?

You're quick to shoot down the "the Rooneys don't operate that way" argument.

I'm quick to shoot down the "he hasn't gotten an extension yet so something must be up" argument.

My point is that Tomlin has done nothing worthy of having to "coach for his job". He has, on the other hand, did a lot to assure that he wouldn't have to. So, I will reiterate that unless we go 1-15 while he's getting drunk on the sideline and peeing on a Terrible Towel he's going to be our coach next year.

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If you guys are trying to pin the racist label on me- you are waaaaay off target.

I quite clearly implied that race was a motive for one person (he introduced race to the thread) nothing you have said makes me think you are so motivated.

I said that - IF Tomlin goes into this season - without an extension, in the last year of his contract- so he becomes in effect a "lame duck coach"...

While I have been on the other side of this debate, I can see this as a valid point.

I would pretty much promise you- he is coaching for his job. There is almost no other way to look at it. Other than his last season- Bill Cowher never went into the last year of his contract without it being renegotiated- prior to the final year.

Of course we dont want to be too quick...he still can be resigned.

If he wasn't coaching for his job- he'd already have the extension. (again, assuming he is not extended prior to the beginning of the season.)

You are contradicting yourself. His current contract status means nothing as long as he is resigned before the season. So until that time we have no real basis to make an assumption.

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You are contradicting yourself. His current contract status means nothing as long as he is resigned before the season. So until that time we have no real basis to make an assumption.

No, I wasn't contradicting myself at all.

This goes back to - reading what I posted.

I said:

IF Mike Tomlin does not receive a contract extension prior to the beginning of this season (meaning first actual game) then- he will be coaching for his job.

That was all I said. I gave multiple reasons why I believe this.

I did not say he was going to be fired.

I did not say he sucks.

I did not say I want him gone.

The Rooneys do not negotiate during the season. This has been made clear to be the rule for both players and coaches.

So, IF the head coach does not have an extension by the first game of the season, how can you possibly suggest that his performance during the season will not be reflected by the offer or lack thereof, after the season???

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its very possible that tomlin will get an extension. the season doesnt even start until september and its only may. if it were july or august with no extension i would be concerned but its so early

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its very possible that tomlin will get an extension. the season doesnt even start until september and its only may. if it were july or august with no extension i would be concerned but its so early

I don't disagree with this.


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No, I wasn't contradicting myself at all.

This goes back to - reading what I posted.

I did.

I said:

IF Mike Tomlin does not receive a contract extension prior to the beginning of this season (meaning first actual game) then- he will be coaching for his job.

There is no contradiction in THAT statement. I said This statement is a contradiction:

If he wasn't coaching for his job- he'd already have the extension. (again, assuming he is not extended prior to the beginning of the season.)

I deliberately QUOTED that portion as a contradiction.

And it most certainly is a contradiction. The second sentence negates the first.

It is like saying a week after a disaster:
"We havent found your dad under the rubble in over a week, he cannot have have survived (assuming he is not found alive next week)".

It makes no sense.

That was all I said.

Actually, no. I just quoted the part that I disagree with.
The reason why I made an issue of it is that your above contradiction is that the statement "If he wasn't coaching for his job- he'd already have the extension" is simply WRONG it is a definitive statement, and you cannot logically qualify it with an "if" exception.

By doing so you exaggerate the meaning of Tomlins "CURRENT" status. THIS is my point of contention.

I gave multiple reasons why I believe this.

I did not say he was going to be fired.

Did not say you did

I did not say he sucks.

Did not say you did

I did not say I want him gone.

Did not say you did

The Rooneys do not negotiate during the season. This has been made clear to be the rule for both players and coaches.

So, IF the head coach does not have an extension by the first game of the season, how can you possibly suggest that his performance during the season will not be reflected by the offer or lack thereof, after the season???

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Now look at who is not READING.
This goes back to - reading what "I" posted.
My first response to you after you made this exact same point was:

"While I have been on the other side of this debate, I can see this as a valid point."

You have not commented at all about the line I took issue with and have argued the very point I agreed with you on.

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An old VP of mine used to say that we re-apply for our jobs everyday. Tomlin has had nothing but winning seasons since being here (so far). Unless there's some other criterion that he is missing the mark on, I find it hard to believe that the Rooney's will do anything other than try to re-sign him (as long as they can afford him).

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Re: Is Tomlin coaching for his job?

An old VP of mine used to say that we re-apply for our jobs everyday. Tomlin has had nothing but winning seasons since being here (so far). Unless there's some other criterion that he is missing the mark on, I find it hard to believe that the Rooney's will do anything other than try to re-sign him (as long as they can afford him).

Good advice in any part of your life. I also got the advice "take every opportunity to show why you and not someone else."

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If I'm not mistaken, I think that one time Cowher signed a new contract during camp..... That's probably when it'll get done. August.