Is Tomlin coaching for his job?

[Shawn]

Re: Is Tomlin coaching for his job?

I think Tomlin is still young and learning. I do think he is a good coach. With that said, I wonder about his eye for draft talent a bit. But, I admit I don't have alot to go on. While I like Timmons...he isn't what we are used to in the first. Plays more like a second round talent. Now, we ignore Lee and draft Worilds (underachieving)...then Gibson (who is not a Steeler type of OLB no matter what people say...hates contact). Yes, I know too early to tell and I hope I'm wrong.

the Steelers should not be allowed to draft players with the last name of Gibson in the 4th round ever again! they are all busts...

More like Thadeus Whackimus. Ok...bad joke. I really hope I'm wrong about him. The dude is really great in space. But Harrison needs to snap him up and show him what Steeler tough is all about. I grew weary of watching him play for the Bucks.

[Oviedo]

Re: Is Tomlin coaching for his job?

I think Tomlin is still young and learning. I do think he is a good coach. With that said, I wonder about his eye for draft talent a bit. But, I admit I don't have alot to go on. While I like Timmons...he isn't what we are used to in the first. Plays more like a second round talent. Now, we ignore Lee and draft Worilds (underachieving)...then Gibson (who is not a Steeler type of OLB no matter what people say...hates contact). Yes, I know too early to tell and I hope I'm wrong.

I think the Lee versus Worilds is apples and oranges. Lee is an ILB and Worilds is an OLB. We needed OLB depth and talent not ILB. We have solid back ups in Fox and Foote on the inside. We have nothing on the outside plus we have Harrison only getting 2 sacks in the last 8 games plus Woodley up for a new contract in a totally unknown CBA environment. Worilds was the right pick over Lee for this off season given the factors involved.

Time will tell but IMO Worilds has much more upside than Lee. Lee will be another Larry Foote and probably not anymore. Worilds could be much more of an impact player. Same with Gibson.

Jim Wexell in his notes sums it up perfectly for me

I don’t understand the local dust-up about Sean Lee, the inside linebacker the Steelers passed over in the second round. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve considered Lee to be a better linebacker than his former college teammates Paul Posluszny and Dan Connor. But I just couldn’t get him out of the third round after watching Ohio State push him around the field last season.

If Lee’s knee was the problem against the Buckeyes, his knee’s going to be a problem against the Ravens, too.

After watching junior Jason Worilds in the Chick-fil-A Bowl and then in the combine, and then hearing about his great Pro Day workout at Virginia Tech, I thought he might get picked in the bottom of the first round. After Brandon Graham and Jerry Hughes, I thought Worilds was the best 3-4 edge rusher in the draft.

[ANPSTEEL]

Re: Is Tomlin coaching for his job?

There are a few interesting aspects to this whole situation...

1. as has been pointed out- Tomlin & staff (not sure if it includes all coaches) are not working on new contracts. Does the impending lock out have anything to do with that??
It wouldn't completely surprise me if the team is trying to minimize expenses during a pending lock out season. Also, using that as an "excuse"- maybe this is a way to let Tomlin go- if they really don't want to extend him.

2. The team really fell apart in the middle of last season. Losing to a handful of bad teams; games which they had no business losing. Of course this losing streak was exacerbated by the poor quality of competition they were losing to, and Tomlin's ridiculous remarks made in the media- about finding a way to re-group. Most notably the "we are going to unleash hell." ... This comment was followed up by a further uninspired performance, and loss to another crummy team. Leading many to suggest, maybe Tomlin should have had the players unleash "extra special hell". Anyone who understands the Rooneys, knows this had to annoy the "hell" out of them.

As insinuated by ARII at the end of the season, if the team had not come together to win the last three games of the season, I think we are having a very different conversation. One which would quite possibly go like this..."So, what do you think of the new head coach we hired?"

3. Whether coincidence or indication of locker room control- the team has had a number or embarrassing off field incidents under Mike Tomlin's tenure. Ben's most recent incident topping them all. Normally, this might be seen as a completely unrelated component- but in this case, coupled with the losing streak, it may combine to emphasize the lack of leadership- or respect given to Tomlin by his players. I can not help but think that the Rooneys, like many of us fans, have had the thought- "This probably wouldn't happen with Cowher in the locker room." Meaning, BC seemingly ran the ship with much tighter control.


In the end- I think all of these components are weighing against Mike Tomlin.

I do not think the team is inclined to get rid of him after only 4 seasons, it is not the Rooneys' nature, - but given all of the issues- they are definitely in a "wait and see" mode. If Mike Tomlin is not extended prior to the season- we can only speculate, that yes, in fact he is coaching for his job.

[Oviedo]

Re: Is Tomlin coaching for his job?

There are a few interesting aspects to this whole situation...

1. as has been pointed out- Tomlin & staff (not sure if it includes all coaches) are not working on new contracts. Does the impending lock out have anything to do with that??
It wouldn't completely surprise me if the team is trying to minimize expenses during a pending lock out season. Also, using that as an "excuse"- maybe this is a way to let Tomlin go- if they really don't want to extend him.

2. The team really fell apart in the middle of last season. Losing to a handful of bad teams; games which they had no business losing. Of course this losing streak was exacerbated by the poor quality of competition they were losing to, and Tomlin's ridiculous remarks made in the media- about finding a way to re-group. Most notably the "we are going to unleash hell." ... This comment was followed up by a further uninspired performance, and loss to another crummy team. Leading many to suggest, maybe Tomlin should have had the players unleash "extra special hell". Anyone who understands the Rooneys, knows this had to annoy the "hell" out of them.

As insinuated by ARII at the end of the season, if the team had not come together to win the last three games of the season, I think we are having a very different conversation. One which would quite possibly go like this..."So, what do you think of the new head coach we hired?"

3. Whether coincidence or indication of locker room control- the team has had a number or embarrassing off field incidents under Mike Tomlin's tenure. Ben's most recent incident topping them all. Normally, this might be seen as a completely unrelated component- but in this case, coupled with the losing streak, it may combine to emphasize the lack of leadership- or respect given to Tomlin by his players. I can not help but think that the Rooneys, like many of us fans, have had the thought- "This probably wouldn't happen with Cowher in the locker room." Meaning, BC seemingly ran the ship with much tighter control.


In the end- I think all of these components are weighing against Mike Tomlin.

I do not think the team is inclined to get rid of him after only 4 seasons, it is not the Rooneys' nature, - but given all of the issues- they are definitely in a "wait and see" mode. If Mike Tomlin is not extended prior to the season- we can only speculate, that yes, in fact he is coaching for his job.

I couldn't disagree more. The Rooney's don't play the coaching carousel game. It would be a major loss for this franchise to lose a young talented coach like Tomlin. The Rooney's get to make that call so whatever they want to do but they have had a model that has worked for 40 years and that is get the coach you like and stick with him through the good and bad and the good will usually outweigh the bad.

If Tomlin is let go he will have a job in about a millisecond so it is a no lose situation for him.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Is Tomlin coaching for his job?

The "this probably wouldn't happen with Cowher in the locker room" argument is complete and utter garbage. Under Cowher's watch, Bam Morris was caught with 4 kilos of marijuana and a gram of cocaine as well. Under Noll's watch, Ernie Holmes opened fire on a police helicopter. Under Tomlin's watch, Ben Roethlisberger wanted to get busy with a drunk coed in a bar bathroom. One of these things is not like the others...

[ANPSTEEL]

Re: Is Tomlin coaching for his job?

There are a few interesting aspects to this whole situation...

1. as has been pointed out- Tomlin & staff (not sure if it includes all coaches) are not working on new contracts. Does the impending lock out have anything to do with that??
It wouldn't completely surprise me if the team is trying to minimize expenses during a pending lock out season. Also, using that as an "excuse"- maybe this is a way to let Tomlin go- if they really don't want to extend him.

2. The team really fell apart in the middle of last season. Losing to a handful of bad teams; games which they had no business losing. Of course this losing streak was exacerbated by the poor quality of competition they were losing to, and Tomlin's ridiculous remarks made in the media- about finding a way to re-group. Most notably the "we are going to unleash hell." ... This comment was followed up by a further uninspired performance, and loss to another crummy team. Leading many to suggest, maybe Tomlin should have had the players unleash "extra special hell". Anyone who understands the Rooneys, knows this had to annoy the "hell" out of them.

As insinuated by ARII at the end of the season, if the team had not come together to win the last three games of the season, I think we are having a very different conversation. One which would quite possibly go like this..."So, what do you think of the new head coach we hired?"

3. Whether coincidence or indication of locker room control- the team has had a number or embarrassing off field incidents under Mike Tomlin's tenure. Ben's most recent incident topping them all. Normally, this might be seen as a completely unrelated component- but in this case, coupled with the losing streak, it may combine to emphasize the lack of leadership- or respect given to Tomlin by his players. I can not help but think that the Rooneys, like many of us fans, have had the thought- "This probably wouldn't happen with Cowher in the locker room." Meaning, BC seemingly ran the ship with much tighter control.


In the end- I think all of these components are weighing against Mike Tomlin.

I do not think the team is inclined to get rid of him after only 4 seasons, it is not the Rooneys' nature, - but given all of the issues- they are definitely in a "wait and see" mode. If Mike Tomlin is not extended prior to the season- we can only speculate, that yes, in fact he is coaching for his job.

I couldn't disagree more. The Rooney's don't play the coaching carousel game. It would be a major loss for this franchise to lose a young talented coach like Tomlin. The Rooney's get to make that call so whatever they want to do but they have had a model that has worked for 40 years and that is get the coach you like and stick with him through the good and bad and the good will usually outweigh the bad.

If Tomlin is let go he will have a job in about a millisecond so it is a no lose situation for him.

Ovi- I'm not sure you took away the message I intended.

Are you suggesting- that if the team plays poorly- whether with or without Ben, and the locker room continues to spiral down- that the Rooneys would blindly re-sign Tomlin, after the season?

I think the team is almost certain to hold Mike Tomlin and the coaching staff to a degree of accountability. Accountability in respect to performance, and behavior. Just as the league has held the team accountable in respect to Ben's behavior (the team was fined $200k by the league)- the team will hold the coaching staff accountable.

How this accountability is handed out remains to be seen.

I don't think they want to get rid of him.

I really believe the FO wants Mike Tomlin to succeed. It is in everyone's best interest, but there is no way you could convince me that - -if he remains without an extension, past the beginning of the season- that he is not coaching for his job.

To disagree would suggest that

The team could play like crap.
The locker room could spiral out of control.
More off field incidents could come up.

And yet, still, you think they would re-sign him??

Not a chance, imo.

[flippy]

Re: Is Tomlin coaching for his job?

Another point to consider is the management style of Art II versus Dan. We could become a team that's run a little differently under the younger Rooney.

[ANPSTEEL]

Re: Is Tomlin coaching for his job?

Another point to consider is the management style of Art II versus Dan. We could become a team that's run a little differently under the younger Rooney.

Also, don't forget that we have about a half dozen new owners.

[flippy]

Re: Is Tomlin coaching for his job?

Another point to consider is the management style of Art II versus Dan. We could become a team that's run a little differently under the younger Rooney.

Also, don't forget that we have about a half dozen new owners.

Yeah, I wonder how much freedom the Rooneys have versus how much input the new money has.

[steelz09]

Re: Is Tomlin coaching for his job?

Depending on how this season plays out, I think it's very possible that Tomlin could be coaching for his job.

[ANPSTEEL]

Re: Is Tomlin coaching for his job?

Another point to consider is the management style of Art II versus Dan. We could become a team that's run a little differently under the younger Rooney.

Also, don't forget that we have about a half dozen new owners.

Yeah, I wonder how much freedom the Rooneys have versus how much input the new money has.

That is an interesting question.

By my understanding & math calculations...

The non-controlling ownership has 64% stake in the team. This includes the 10% that the McGinleys now own.

see wikipedia: [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Steelers#Ownership_restructure"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh ... estructure[/url]

I should think 64% of anything would get you a lot of influence if it were voting the same way.

[eniparadoxgma]

Re: Is Tomlin coaching for his job?

Depending on how this season plays out, I think it's very possible that Tomlin could be coaching for his job.

The reason I posted the .jpeg earlier in this thread is because I didn't see the premise as being remotely close to a realistic scenario. Apparently I'm one of the only people that feels that way.

My opinion is that unless we go 1-15 this season and Tomlin punches Rooney II in the face while wiping his ass with a Terrible Towel he's not going anywhere.

Not sure why people would even think this. We're not the typical knee jerk reaction having type of organization. We...you know...won the SuperBowl two seasons ago...etc etc.

Why would we get rid of him?

[Oviedo]

Re: Is Tomlin coaching for his job?

Depending on how this season plays out, I think it's very possible that Tomlin could be coaching for his job.

The reason I posted the .jpeg earlier in this thread is because I didn't see the premise as being remotely close to a realistic scenario. Apparently I'm one of the only people that feels that way.

My opinion is that unless we go 1-15 this season and Tomlin punches Rooney II in the face while wiping his bad word with a Terrible Towel he's not going anywhere.

Not sure why people would even think this. We're not the typical knee jerk reaction having type of organization. We...you know...won the SuperBowl two seasons ago...etc etc.

Why would we get rid of him?

If it Art II's approach to get rid of a good young coach 2 years after winning the Super Bowl then we have bigger problems moving forward than any of us know.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Is Tomlin coaching for his job?

Depending on how this season plays out, I think it's very possible that Tomlin could be coaching for his job.

The reason I posted the .jpeg earlier in this thread is because I didn't see the premise as being remotely close to a realistic scenario. Apparently I'm one of the only people that feels that way.

My opinion is that unless we go 1-15 this season and Tomlin punches Rooney II in the face while wiping his bad word with a Terrible Towel he's not going anywhere.

Not sure why people would even think this. We're not the typical knee jerk reaction having type of organization. We...you know...won the SuperBowl two seasons ago...etc etc.

Why would we get rid of him?

I seriously cannot think of any reason that does not boil down to certain melanin-deficient individuals being unwilling to accept a melanin-proficient individual leading their favorite football team.

The way some people talk about him, you'd think we just went 6-10, 4-12, and 7-9 instead of 10-6, 12-4, and 9-7, with our 6th Super Bowl victory 15 months ago.

[Oviedo]

Re: Is Tomlin coaching for his job?

Depending on how this season plays out, I think it's very possible that Tomlin could be coaching for his job.

The reason I posted the .jpeg earlier in this thread is because I didn't see the premise as being remotely close to a realistic scenario. Apparently I'm one of the only people that feels that way.

My opinion is that unless we go 1-15 this season and Tomlin punches Rooney II in the face while wiping his bad word with a Terrible Towel he's not going anywhere.

Not sure why people would even think this. We're not the typical knee jerk reaction having type of organization. We...you know...won the SuperBowl two seasons ago...etc etc.

Why would we get rid of him?

I seriously cannot think of any reason that does not boil down to certain melanin-deficient individuals being unwilling to accept a melanin-proficient individual leading their favorite football team.

The way some people talk about him, you'd think we just went 6-10, 4-12, and 7-9 instead of 10-6, 12-4, and 9-7, with our 6th Super Bowl victory 15 months ago.

You hit the nail on the head. Some never accepted the hiring and look for every excuse they can to find a reason to find fault and suggest Tomlin will be sent out of town.

You stated the records and like I said if getting rid of a coach with that performance is an example of Art II's management approach then we will be the Oakland Raiders within 5 years.