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  • RuthlessBurgher
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 33208

    #16
    Re: Steelers & Cowboys had a 1st RD grade on Sean Lee

    Originally posted by phillyesq
    Originally posted by steelsnis
    Tomlin was the one who decided to select Timmons, who, after three years, has developed into a decent linebacker. Timmons was selected ahead of Beason, who has played much better to date.
    I wouldn't bet the farm on the fact that Tomlin was the one who decided to draft Timmons. Let's not forget that at the time of that draft, Tomlin was exactly 2 months into his first ever head coaching job.

    Do you REALLY think that Dan Rooney threw him the keys to the kingdom and gave him carte blanche in that draft? REALLY???
    If I remember, Tomlin loved Timmons, and it was obvious. IIRC, he visited his pro-day personally, and he looked like a proud papa when he was drafted. I don't think there is any dispute that Timmons was Tomlin's guy.
    Actually, Revis was Tomlin's guy, but he let the cat out of the bag on that one, so the Jets knew enough to trade one spot ahead of us.
    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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    • Slapstick
      Rookie
      • May 2008
      • 0

      #17
      Re: Steelers & Cowboys had a 1st RD grade on Sean Lee

      The Cowboys will ruin Sean Lee just like they ruined Bobby Carpenter...
      Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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      • Oviedo
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 23824

        #18
        Re: Steelers & Cowboys had a 1st RD grade on Sean Lee

        Originally posted by NW Steeler
        Originally posted by Mister Pittsburgh":1vx30j7a][quote=Snatch98]Tomlin isn't the only one that liked/likes Worilds. Plenty of media outlets are speaking out on his ability. Lombardi, La Confora, Millen *cough* etc, etc. Here is the most recent I found.

        [url="http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-best-round-two-picks.html
        http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The ... picks.html[/url]
        According to that article, TOMLIN is the one that pulled the trigger on Worilds, passing up a guy the Steelers scouts and Colbert and Butler had a first round grade on. Thought we took the best athlete available and didn't draft for position.
        They have 4 ILB on the roster, and all 4 have been starters. They have ZERO depth at OLB. That was pointed out in one of the articles about this subject.[/quote:1vx30j7a]

        Don't interject logic into PSU homerism.

        Anyone lese pick up on the fact that James Harrison wasn't at the first day of mini-camp. Two sacks in last 8 games of the season by the guy you rely on the most to get to the QB. Smart decision to get OLB before ILB. If you start connecting the dots you have to start to worry about Harrison going the way of Jason Gildon.
        "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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        • Mister Pittsburgh
          Hall of Famer
          • Jul 2008
          • 3674

          #19
          Re: Steelers & Cowboys had a 1st RD grade on Sean Lee

          Originally posted by NW Steeler
          Originally posted by Mister Pittsburgh":zsgppoah][quote=Snatch98]Tomlin isn't the only one that liked/likes Worilds. Plenty of media outlets are speaking out on his ability. Lombardi, La Confora, Millen *cough* etc, etc. Here is the most recent I found.

          [url="http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-best-round-two-picks.html
          http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The ... picks.html[/url]
          According to that article, TOMLIN is the one that pulled the trigger on Worilds, passing up a guy the Steelers scouts and Colbert and Butler had a first round grade on. Thought we took the best athlete available and didn't draft for position.
          They have 4 ILB on the roster, and all 4 have been starters. They have ZERO depth at OLB. That was pointed out in one of the articles about this subject.[/quote:zsgppoah]

          I can read. Timmons can play either outside or inside. Farrior is 35 and Foote is 30....or around those ages anyway. Why bring in Foote if Fox is dependable? All I am saying is they had a first round grade on an ILB to come in and play ILB but instead chose to take a project that will be worthless other than special teams for the next 3 seasons who they had a lower grade on and that call was Tomlins. I am not saying Worilds won't be a good player or bad player. Just the rationale is a bit shady.
          @_Hellgrammite

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          • phillyesq
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 7568

            #20
            Re: Steelers & Cowboys had a 1st RD grade on Sean Lee

            Originally posted by Oviedo
            Originally posted by NW Steeler
            Originally posted by Mister Pittsburgh":1s4x933x][quote=Snatch98]Tomlin isn't the only one that liked/likes Worilds. Plenty of media outlets are speaking out on his ability. Lombardi, La Confora, Millen *cough* etc, etc. Here is the most recent I found.

            [url="http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-best-round-two-picks.html
            http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The ... picks.html[/url]
            According to that article, TOMLIN is the one that pulled the trigger on Worilds, passing up a guy the Steelers scouts and Colbert and Butler had a first round grade on. Thought we took the best athlete available and didn't draft for position.
            They have 4 ILB on the roster, and all 4 have been starters. They have ZERO depth at OLB. That was pointed out in one of the articles about this subject.
            Don't interject logic into PSU homerism.

            Anyone lese pick up on the fact that James Harrison wasn't at the first day of mini-camp. Two sacks in last 8 games of the season by the guy you rely on the most to get to the QB. Smart decision to get OLB before ILB. If you start connecting the dots you have to start to worry about Harrison going the way of Jason Gildon.[/quote:1s4x933x]

            I'm not a PSU homer, nor do I root for any college football team. I liked the Worilds pick. I hope that Tomlin redeems himself for Timmons over Beason. Since Tomlin made this call on his own, it will be very interesting to see whether or not his personnel decisions should be trusted.

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            • D Rock
              Hall of Famer
              • Dec 2008
              • 2797

              #21
              Re: Steelers & Cowboys had a 1st RD grade on Sean Lee

              my good friend is his cousin. And a Browns fan. It would have been great to see him have to cheer for the Steelers.

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              • plainnasty
                Backup
                • May 2008
                • 191

                #22
                Jason Worilds and Sean Lee

                Jason Worilds and Sean Lee will always be compared, especially if Sean Lee turns out to be the better pro. It also appears that the Steelers didn't "follow their broad to a tee" as Colbert claimed.
                That Worilds name was called by the Steelers was something of a surprise.

                Penn State linebacker Sean Lee, who went to Upper St. Clair High School, appeared to be the player the Steelers were targeting in the second round after selecting Florida center Maurkice Pouncey with the 18th overall pick. They had a first-round grade on Lee and thought he fit the way they played better than any linebacker in the draft.

                But, the Steelers did not think Lee would be available when it came their turn.

                When he was, it seemed like an obvious choice. But coach Mike Tomlin really liked Worilds, an undersized defensive end in college who fit nicely as a disruptive outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense -- something the Steelers were lacking behind James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley.

                What's more, the return of Larry Foote in free agency gave the Steelers four inside linebackers, along with James Farrior, Lawrence Timmons and Keyaron Fox. Even though Farrior is 35, the need for depth was more dire on the outside, not inside.

                So they passed on Lee and selected Worilds.

                Read more: [url="http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10120/1054423-66.stm#ixzz0mh1rs4Un"]http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10120/10 ... z0mh1rs4Un[/url]

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                • Lebsteel
                  Pro Bowler
                  • May 2008
                  • 1007

                  #23
                  Re: Jason Worilds and Sean Lee

                  I was really looking forward to seeing Sean Lee in Black and Gold. At least he didn't go to another AFC North team and since he will be playing for the Cowboys, he will be on TV frequently. Here's the link where this topic has been discussed earlier:

                  [url]http://www.planetsteelers.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11939[/url]
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                  • hawaiiansteel
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 35648

                    #24
                    Re: Steelers & Cowboys had a 1st RD grade on Sean Lee

                    Two teams wanted to trade up for Sean Lee, who the Steelers also had a Round 1 grade on. it will be interesting to follow the careers of Sean Lee and Jason Worilds and see if Tomlin did indeed make the right choice...



                    Eagles turned down trade with Jags for Sean Lee

                    Posted by Mike Florio on April 30, 2010 11:01 PM ET


                    As the 2010 NFL Draft continues to fade into the rear-view mirror, interesting nuggets continue to percolate.

                    In round two, for example, the Eagles did another trade within the division, sending the 23rd pick in round two to the Cowboys, who used the selection to take Penn State linebacker Sean Lee. (Philly slid down four spots and picked up a fourth-round selection from the Cowboys.)

                    According to Gerry Fraley of the Dallas Morning News, the Jags also were interested in doing a deal with the Eagles in order to draft Lee, but the Eagles declined.

                    "They chose to go in a different direction," Jaguars G.M. Gene Smith said regarding the Eagles. "We obviously liked him [Lee]. We started to talk to every team we thought we could match up working a trade.''

                    [url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/30/eagles-turned-down-trade-with-jags-to-do-a-round-two-deal-with-dallas/"]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... th-dallas/[/url]

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                    • grotonsteel
                      Hall of Famer
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 2810

                      #25
                      Re: Steelers & Cowboys had a 1st RD grade on Sean Lee

                      Originally posted by phillyesq
                      Originally posted by Oviedo
                      Originally posted by NW Steeler
                      Originally posted by Mister Pittsburgh":1dcde5yj][quote=Snatch98]Tomlin isn't the only one that liked/likes Worilds. Plenty of media outlets are speaking out on his ability. Lombardi, La Confora, Millen *cough* etc, etc. Here is the most recent I found.

                      [url="http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-best-round-two-picks.html
                      http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The ... picks.html[/url]
                      According to that article, TOMLIN is the one that pulled the trigger on Worilds, passing up a guy the Steelers scouts and Colbert and Butler had a first round grade on. Thought we took the best athlete available and didn't draft for position.
                      They have 4 ILB on the roster, and all 4 have been starters. They have ZERO depth at OLB. That was pointed out in one of the articles about this subject.
                      Don't interject logic into PSU homerism.

                      Anyone lese pick up on the fact that James Harrison wasn't at the first day of mini-camp. Two sacks in last 8 games of the season by the guy you rely on the most to get to the QB. Smart decision to get OLB before ILB. If you start connecting the dots you have to start to worry about Harrison going the way of Jason Gildon.
                      I'm not a PSU homer, nor do I root for any college football team. I liked the Worilds pick. I hope that Tomlin redeems himself for Timmons over Beason. Since Tomlin made this call on his own, it will be very interesting to see whether or not his personnel decisions should be trusted.[/quote:1dcde5yj]

                      I think Revis was Tomlin's pick but Jets got him at 14. Joey Porter was released by Steelers and James Harrison was just a backup at that time. I think that was the main reason Steelers picked Timmons at 15 ahead of Beason. I don't think Beason can play OLB in 3-4 D.
                      Steelers Draft 2015
                      Rd 1: Devante Parker - WR/ Kevin Johnson - CB
                      Rd 2: Danielle Hunter -OLB
                      Rd 3: Steven Nelson - CB
                      Rd 4: Derron Smith - S
                      Rd 5: Henry Anderson - DE
                      Rd 6: Wes Saxton - TE
                      Rd 7: Deon Simon - DT

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                      • steelz09
                        Administrator
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 4675

                        #26
                        Re: Steelers & Cowboys had a 1st RD grade on Sean Lee

                        Originally posted by phillyesq
                        Originally posted by PSU_dropout43
                        So why didn't the Steelers take him in the second round?

                        Penn State linebacker Sean Lee, who went to Upper St. Clair High School, appeared to be the player the Steelers were targeting in the second round after selecting Florida center Maurkice Pouncey with the 18th overall pick. They had a first-round grade on Lee and thought he fit the way they played better than any linebacker in the draft.

                        But, the Steelers did not think Lee would be available when it came their turn.

                        When he was, it seemed like an obvious choice. But coach Mike Tomlin really liked Worilds, an undersized defensive end in college who fit nicely as a disruptive outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense...

                        Read more: [url="http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10120/1054423-66.stm#ixzz0mbCgDZIM"]http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10120/10 ... z0mbCgDZIM[/url]
                        Well, so much for sticking with the draft board.

                        I think the development of Worilds and Lee will speak volumes about whether or not he can be trusted with respect to player evaluation.

                        Tomlin was the one who decided to select Timmons, who, after three years, has developed into a decent linebacker. Timmons was selected ahead of Beason, who has played much better to date.

                        I hope that Worilds/Lee turns out for the Steelers better than Timmons/Beason.
                        Agreed. My concern about Worilds is his shoulder problems. I've read he has "chronic" shoulder problems.

                        A linebacker with "Chronic" shoulder problems whom will need to take on a lot of hard-hitting contact is not a great combination. To me, a linebacker with chronic shoulder issues is a HUGE red flag.
                        Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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                        • RuthlessBurgher
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 33208

                          #27
                          Re: Steelers & Cowboys had a 1st RD grade on Sean Lee

                          Originally posted by jhansle1
                          Originally posted by phillyesq
                          Originally posted by PSU_dropout43
                          So why didn't the Steelers take him in the second round?

                          Penn State linebacker Sean Lee, who went to Upper St. Clair High School, appeared to be the player the Steelers were targeting in the second round after selecting Florida center Maurkice Pouncey with the 18th overall pick. They had a first-round grade on Lee and thought he fit the way they played better than any linebacker in the draft.

                          But, the Steelers did not think Lee would be available when it came their turn.

                          When he was, it seemed like an obvious choice. But coach Mike Tomlin really liked Worilds, an undersized defensive end in college who fit nicely as a disruptive outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense...

                          Read more: [url="http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10120/1054423-66.stm#ixzz0mbCgDZIM"]http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10120/10 ... z0mbCgDZIM[/url]
                          Well, so much for sticking with the draft board.

                          I think the development of Worilds and Lee will speak volumes about whether or not he can be trusted with respect to player evaluation.

                          Tomlin was the one who decided to select Timmons, who, after three years, has developed into a decent linebacker. Timmons was selected ahead of Beason, who has played much better to date.

                          I hope that Worilds/Lee turns out for the Steelers better than Timmons/Beason.
                          Agreed. My concern about Worilds is his shoulder problems. I've read he has "chronic" shoulder problems.

                          A linebacker with "Chronic" shoulder problems whom will need to take on a lot of hard-hitting contact is not a great combination. To me, a linebacker with chronic shoulder issues is a HUGE red flag.
                          Here is the shoulder injury information.

                          A shoulder injury ended his freshman year after only 2 games.

                          He dislocated the shoulder in the second week of his junior year, but played through shoulder pain for the rest of that season until a torn labrum was discovered prior to the Orange Bowl that year, forcing him to miss that final game.

                          Following the surgery to repair the torn labrum in his shoudler in 2009, and has not had any problems with the shoulder since.

                          He has played in 13 games in each of the past 3 seasons.

                          So basically, it only caused him to miss extended time back way back in 2006, and although he had to miss out on the Orange Bowl in his junior year, that surgery appears to have fixed the problem.

                          I'm not overly worried about it at this point.
                          Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                          Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                          We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                          We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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