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  • costanza2k1
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    • Mar 2008
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    More Kiper thoughts on our draft

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    Kiper weighs in on Steelers' draft
    April 27th, 2010
    I haven’t had a chance to see many draft “grades,” which annoy me more than rush-hour traffic, but that is another blog for another day. I did get a chance to ask ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. on Monday his thoughts on the Steelers’ draft and he had some interesting things to say.

    The one thing jumped out is Kiper’s belief that the Steelers got quality as well as quantity out of the draft. He said all 10 of the Steelers’ draft picks have a good chance of making the team's 53-man roster.

    “I’d say at the end of the day, all these kids play in the league for somebody, if not for the Steelers, it’s going to be for somebody,” Kiper said.

    Here are some other observations he made about the Steelers’ draft.

    — He applauded their choice of center/guard Maurkice Pouncey with their first-round pick, No. 18 overall.

    “There was talk that he could go a little earlier,” Kiper said. “Very intelligent kid. Great character. At the end of the day he’s going to give them that physically inside presence.”

    — Kiper said second- and fourth-round picks Jason Worildes and Thaddeus Gibson are “classic” 3-4 outside linebackers. Both will make the transition from defensive end to linebacker with the Steelers, something 2008 third-round pick Bruce Davis couldn’t do.

    — Kiper indicated that the success of the Steelers’ draft could hinge on third-round pick Emmanuel Sanders

    “There’s going to be a lot of expected from Emmanuel Sanders,” Kiper said. “He caught the ball in that June Jone’s offense on the SMU teams that really turned it around this past year. He was the key element in that offense.”

    -- Kiper said cornerback Crezdon Butler, a fifth-round pick, could eventually become a starter with the Steelers

    “Butler could be your third, fourth, fifth defensive back in that rotation as a reserve (this season) and can help you down the road maybe more than that,” Kiper said.

    — Don’t dismiss defensive end Doug Worthington as an afterthought, Kiper said, even though the Steelers took the Ohio State product late in the seventh round.

    “I think he’ll make the team,” Kiper said. “Hustler, had a very productive year with the Buckeyes.”
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  • Pahn711
    Backup
    • Jan 2010
    • 373

    #2
    Re: More Kiper thoughts on our draft

    I dunno, maybe I'm way off base here, but it seems to me that Kiper puts a positive spin on just about every player drafted.
    Some people subscribe to a permanent stasis of wishful thinking. They like to believe the world is made of marshmallows and filled with butterflies. I don't.

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    • SanAntonioSteelerFan
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 8361

      #3
      Re: More Kiper thoughts on our draft

      I like reading this - hope he's right!!


      We got our "6-PACK" - time to work on a CASE!

      HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!

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      • Shawn
        Legend
        • Mar 2008
        • 15131

        #4
        Re: More Kiper thoughts on our draft

        I like the props to Worthington. 7th rounder who I believe will surprise some people.
        Trolls are people too.

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        • hawaiiansteel
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 35649

          #5
          Re: More Kiper thoughts on our draft

          i hope this Mel prediction is more accurate than his prediction of Jimmy Clausen being drafted in the top 10.

          Clausen was drafted at #48...

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          • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 10281

            #6
            Re: More Kiper thoughts on our draft

            Originally posted by Shawn
            I like the props to Worthington. 7th rounder who I believe will surprise some people.
            No 7th rounder will ever play DE in the Steelers 3-4 D.....

            Oh yeah, Keisel..........

            Nevermind
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            • aggiebones
              Pro Bowler
              • Jan 2009
              • 1427

              #7
              Re: More Kiper thoughts on our draft

              So 10 new rookies and a bunch of new (old) FA re-acquisitions:
              Either many of these players won't make it or we'll have alot of guys from last years 53 cleaning out their lockers.
              What's the normal turnover from one season to the next?

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              • NW Steeler
                Pro Bowler
                • Dec 2008
                • 1391

                #8
                Re: More Kiper thoughts on our draft

                I don't know how many of you saw the AFC North draft review on NFLN last night, but those guys all gushed over Worilds, Gibson AND Sylvester (as well as Pouncey). I was definitely scratching my head during the draft, but maybe all these LB picks make some sense. There was 36 LB's taken in the draft and we took 3 of them! Lombardi thinks Worilds will see spot duty this year and all 3 will excel on special teams. It was even mentioned that Sylvester will be a good player in the middle. A lot of depth and insurance in case Harrison's play falls off, or if for some reason we cannot re-sign Woodley ( I certainly hope we can). I think we had a really good draft with once again, an eye on the future.

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                • Mister Pittsburgh
                  Hall of Famer
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 3674

                  #9
                  Re: More Kiper thoughts on our draft

                  Maybe the Steelers noticed Woodley & Harrison tiring on the pass rush in the 4th quarter and these new OLB will be able to step in and give them breathers from time to time. Same with Hood giving Smith & Keisel breathers so they are fresher come the 4th quarter, where we collapsed on defense last year.
                  @_Hellgrammite

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                  • Oviedo
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 23824

                    #10
                    Re: More Kiper thoughts on our draft

                    Originally posted by aggiebones
                    So 10 new rookies and a bunch of new (old) FA re-acquisitions:
                    Either many of these players won't make it or we'll have alot of guys from last years 53 cleaning out their lockers.
                    What's the normal turnover from one season to the next?
                    I think since Tomlin took over the average turnover has been about 8-9. Keep in mind they have already dumped FWP, Kirschke, Eason, Townsend, Ty Carter, Santonio and Carey Davis so that is 7 open slots already. But they added ARE, Will Allen , Bmac, and Larry Foote to take 4 of those already. I don't think Arnaz Battle is a sure bet to make the team.

                    I think we could see at least two of the three back up LBs gone (Harrison, Frazier and Bailey). I also think Logan is a goner.

                    Competition at camp is going to be intense. Guys who don't show up ready are going to be gone.
                    "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                    • NW Steeler
                      Pro Bowler
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 1391

                      #11
                      Re: More Kiper thoughts on our draft

                      Originally posted by Oviedo
                      Originally posted by aggiebones
                      So 10 new rookies and a bunch of new (old) FA re-acquisitions:
                      Either many of these players won't make it or we'll have alot of guys from last years 53 cleaning out their lockers.
                      What's the normal turnover from one season to the next?
                      I think since Tomlin took over the average turnover has been about 8-9. Keep in mind they have already dumped FWP, Kirschke, Eason, Townsend, Ty Carter, Santonio and Carey Davis so that is 7 open slots already. But they added ARE, Will Allen , Bmac, and Larry Foote to take 4 of those already. I don't think Arnaz Battle is a sure bet to make the team.

                      I think we could see at least two of the three back up LBs gone (Harrison, Frazier and Bailey). I also think Logan is a goner.

                      Competition at camp is going to be intense. Guys who don't show up ready are going to be gone.
                      Good. No complacency allowed this year.

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                      • Mister Pittsburgh
                        Hall of Famer
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 3674

                        #12
                        Re: More Kiper thoughts on our draft

                        Originally posted by NW Steeler
                        Originally posted by Oviedo
                        Originally posted by aggiebones
                        So 10 new rookies and a bunch of new (old) FA re-acquisitions:
                        Either many of these players won't make it or we'll have alot of guys from last years 53 cleaning out their lockers.
                        What's the normal turnover from one season to the next?
                        I think since Tomlin took over the average turnover has been about 8-9. Keep in mind they have already dumped FWP, Kirschke, Eason, Townsend, Ty Carter, Santonio and Carey Davis so that is 7 open slots already. But they added ARE, Will Allen , Bmac, and Larry Foote to take 4 of those already. I don't think Arnaz Battle is a sure bet to make the team.

                        I think we could see at least two of the three back up LBs gone (Harrison, Frazier and Bailey). I also think Logan is a goner.

                        Competition at camp is going to be intense. Guys who don't show up ready are going to be gone.
                        Good. No coplacency allowed this year.
                        I will love it if there is true competition...not BS competition just to push the guys they really want to keep regardless of performance. Wonder what will go down with the RB/FB/TE competition. We have Mendenhall, Moore, Dwyer, Redman, Summers, David Johnson, McHugh, Spaeth, UDFA huge FB we signed, Heath......WR is another one that will be interesting. I think regardless of what El shows up like or looks like he is in, Battle not so sure.
                        @_Hellgrammite

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                        • Oviedo
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 23824

                          #13
                          Re: More Kiper thoughts on our draft

                          [quote=Mister Pittsburgh]
                          Originally posted by "NW Steeler":2p8px8xv
                          Originally posted by Oviedo
                          Originally posted by aggiebones
                          So 10 new rookies and a bunch of new (old) FA re-acquisitions:
                          Either many of these players won't make it or we'll have alot of guys from last years 53 cleaning out their lockers.
                          What's the normal turnover from one season to the next?
                          I think since Tomlin took over the average turnover has been about 8-9. Keep in mind they have already dumped FWP, Kirschke, Eason, Townsend, Ty Carter, Santonio and Carey Davis so that is 7 open slots already. But they added ARE, Will Allen , Bmac, and Larry Foote to take 4 of those already. I don't think Arnaz Battle is a sure bet to make the team.

                          I think we could see at least two of the three back up LBs gone (Harrison, Frazier and Bailey). I also think Logan is a goner.

                          Competition at camp is going to be intense. Guys who don't show up ready are going to be gone.
                          Good. No coplacency allowed this year.
                          I will love it if there is true competition...not BS competition just to push the guys they really want to keep regardless of performance. Wonder what will go down with the RB/FB/TE competition. We have Mendenhall, Moore, Dwyer, Redman, Summers, David Johnson, McHugh, Spaeth, UDFA huge FB we signed, Heath......WR is another one that will be interesting. I think regardless of what El shows up like or looks like he is in, Battle not so sure.[/quote:2p8px8xv]

                          RB: Dwyer, Summers and Redman will battle for the #3 and #4 RB positions. IMO Redman loses unless Dwyer or Summers get hurt. Summers has advantage over Redman because Summers can play FB.

                          TE/FB: Johnson, McHugh, Spaeth and rookie FB battle for spots. The only way I see the rookie FB making it is if he shows something really good on Special Teams. If Not the rookie FB is sent to Practice Squad. Remember that McHugh showed great performance as lead blocker in the Super Bowl run.
                          "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                          • RuthlessBurgher
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 33208

                            #14
                            Re: More Kiper thoughts on our draft

                            Originally posted by Oviedo
                            Originally posted by aggiebones
                            So 10 new rookies and a bunch of new (old) FA re-acquisitions:
                            Either many of these players won't make it or we'll have alot of guys from last years 53 cleaning out their lockers.
                            What's the normal turnover from one season to the next?
                            I think since Tomlin took over the average turnover has been about 8-9. Keep in mind they have already dumped FWP, Kirschke, Eason, Townsend, Ty Carter, Santonio and Carey Davis so that is 7 open slots already. But they added ARE, Will Allen , Bmac, and Larry Foote to take 4 of those already. I don't think Arnaz Battle is a sure bet to make the team.

                            I think we could see at least two of the three back up LBs gone (Harrison, Frazier and Bailey). I also think Logan is a goner.

                            Competition at camp is going to be intense. Guys who don't show up ready are going to be gone.
                            Nick Eason was brought back about 2 weeks ago.
                            Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                            Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                            We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                            We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                            • MicroBioSteel
                              Backup
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 146

                              #15
                              Re: More Kiper thoughts on our draft

                              Originally posted by Mister Pittsburgh
                              Maybe the Steelers noticed Woodley & Harrison tiring on the pass rush in the 4th quarter and these new OLB will be able to step in and give them breathers from time to time. Same with Hood giving Smith & Keisel breathers so they are fresher come the 4th quarter, where we collapsed on defense last year.

                              Very astute comment. Depth and fresh capable athletes available in the 4th quarter will go a long way to preventing late game let downs. Combine this with the recent Rooney decree that rookies contribute faster and we could see some platoon situations. I think Woodley and Harrison were especially ineffective late in games this past year because of the fact that they were being held so much with no calls for the first 3 quarters.

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