Cowher says Roethlisberger was respected by team

[feltdizz]

Re: Cowher says Roethlisberger was respected by team

The Kobe comparisson was for RESPECTED FOR WINNING purposes only. Damn... Talk about easily distracted. Look at the thread title and try to focus...

[HeHateMe]

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Troll.

The TYPICAL response when you can't refute what is being said. The Troll would be BEN. You know the guy that has our TEAM disgraced? I'm a troll and Ben is a savior?
Telling

I don't have the time to refute all of the fallacies with your post.

Troll.

TRANSLATION- I CANT REFUTE HIM SO I WILL RESORT TO COLLATERAL ATTACKS LOL
TROLL
LOL
CLASSIC WAVING OF THE WHITE FLAG

[frankthetank1]

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Ben is not Kobe. Kobe is an ASSASSIN. The best in the game for years. Ben has never been the best. Ben is FORTUNATE to play for the Steelers. Kobe would be one of the best on the worst team. But Ben on the Rams and he'd SUCK. Kobe is a Hall of Famer Ben is not. Ben has one Pro Bowl Kobe is a All Star game regular. Kobe is the PRIMARY reason the Lakers are good. Ben is not. Ben won a SB in 05 with the worst qb performance in history. Yes he played well in games leading up to SB 40 but thats due in part to the #1 rushing game in the NFL. They expected run and Whiz called passes. SB 43 we were lead by the #1 defense. In fact Ben has ONE TD pass and THREE Ints. He is HARDLY the reason we have 2 rings in his tenure. We rode Ben last season (His best year) and we went 9-7.

you talk about kobe as if he were jordan. kobe needs a lot more around him to win championships then jordan did. kobe isnt anything without the team around him just like most players. kobe finally one a championship without shaq but it took a while to build the team around kobe. if ben were on a crap team like the rams he would still put up good numbers. ben maybe isnt a hall of famer yet but kobe didnt go to college and is older than ben. in the 2005 post season besides the sb ben was amazing. who cares if the defenses facing the steelers expected the run ben still completed the passes. i guess joe montana wasnt all that clutch, after all in the sb against the bengals the defense was double teaming jerry rice and left john taylor wide open.

I don't talk about Kobe like he is Jordan. I talk about Kobe like he is the best player in the league the last 8 or 9 years. Ben has NEVER been that. No comparrison. How many rings did Jordan win without Pippen. Kobe won without Shaq. You say Ben would put up good numbers on the rams? I disagree. He leads the league in SACKS on a TOP team. What do you think would happen on a bottom team? It took Ben 6 years to put up good numbers for the Steelers and what was the result of those numbers? Go ahead and blame the defense. That SAME defense got us a ring in 08 and not Ben. Thats right we won in 08 with our qb committing TWENTY THREE turnovers. Funny the Rams wouldnt trade Bradford for Ben. Telling. Ben was amazing in 05 post season BECAUSE of the # 1 running game in the league. They expected run and we passed. What did he do in the SB wihen Holmgren took away that run? He sucked. Had we played a better team than the Seagals we would have lost. Joe Montana NEVER had a defense like Ben OR a running game like Ben and he still won FOUR. He STILL played lights out in the big game. Whereas Ben has ONE TD and THREE ints in the big game. Montana has ELEVEN Td's and ZERO Ints in the Big game. Oh by the way he also has THREE SB MVPs. Ben has ZERO. Montana looked great against all time defenses like the Bears D, The Giants (LT) and a great team like the Skins. Montana was rich, handsome and a woman magnet and NEVER had one Sexual Allegation. Kobe and Montana DESTROY the competition. Ben does JUST ENOUGH to get by. With a dominant defense like the Steelers have Ben should NEVER have to come from behind. It's an indictment against him. The Great Terry Bradshaw utilized his great defense by putting points on the board, not having to come from hehind as a result of putt putting along all game

joe montana had a very good defense and a great running game. roger craig was a hell of a lot better than willie parker and an old bus. kobe isnt the best player. lebron has been better than him for some time. even now chris paul i would say is better than kobe. pippen haha? really? shaq is a hall of famer, pippen was a good player but not great. jordan won rings with very little help and a lot less than what kobe has had. imo ben should have one sb mvp. he threw two perfect passes against the cards in 08 only one of the passes were caught. i always thought it was stupid that holmes got the mvp since he dropped the first td pass. the rams not wanting to trade bradford for ben is because they are the rams. some teams do not make good moves the rams are one of them. bradford for ben are you kidding me? if you wouldnt make that trade if you are the rams GM than you are an idiot. bradford hasnt proven anything except that he has problems getting through an 11 game season

[frankthetank1]

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The Kobe comparisson was for RESPECTED FOR WINNING purposes only. Damn... Talk about easily distracted. Look at the thread title and try to focus...

sorry when someone brings up bball i cant resist. i guess it would be the same thing if i was on a celtics MB and someone brought up football.

[aggiebones]

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5I get the feeling Manning is also an arrogant D*CK too. He isn't respected by his own players either...to a degree/ Go watch the argument between he and Saturday. All pro players think they are the man. Saturday didn't agree with Manning and they apparently had had similar encounters before.
Fact is you don't like guys on your team all the time. Not everyone can run the show and when you are the one running it, there's second guessers standing right next to you.
Its clear that some of the guys hang out with Ben and like him. Does everyone, no. Alot of the OL hang out with him. Ward is chippy and says alot of stuff, but I don't get the feeling he doesn't like Ben. What WR doesn't harass his QB all day long. They want the ball on every play and can get open every play. It is what it is. Its clear that there was a time he and Bettis were very close. That changed but more because Bettis was trying to make a living reporting intimate details about the Steeler's locker room, which I always thought was in bad taste. Same as Tiki Barber was doing. I thought it was pretty lame by both of them.

So, don't believe everything you hear. People love to divide a team and make drama cause that's how they get noticed and paid. The team has responded very well under Ben as evidence of the 2 Super Bowls. Ben bailed them out last Super Bowl and they will always appreciate him for that at a minimum. And if you don't think when they all retire and look at that ring when noone is around that they don't remember that last drive between ham and Santonio, then you are fooling yourself.
They are all praying right now that Ben gets all this squared away and can be their teammate again. Period!

[feltdizz]

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Peyton and Saturday arguing in the heat of battle is not a big deal. If anything it showedme Saturday is willing to stand up for what he believed would help win the game. If we used players arguing during a game every team has players guilty of being azzholes.

now peyton and the drunk kicker arguing in the offseason or Hines calling out Ben out TV was much bigger IMO. When you call out your teammate in the press it shows a lack of respect IMO.

[HeHateMe]

Re: Cowher says Roethlisberger was respected by team

Troll.

The TYPICAL response when you can't refute what is being said. The Troll would be BEN. You know the guy that has our TEAM disgraced? I'm a troll and Ben is a savior?
Telling

I don't have the time to refute all of the fallacies with your post.

Troll.

TRANSLATION: I cant refute it. LOL
Troll

[HeHateMe]

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Ben is not Kobe. Kobe is an ASSASSIN. The best in the game for years. Ben has never been the best. Ben is FORTUNATE to play for the Steelers. Kobe would be one of the best on the worst team. But Ben on the Rams and he'd SUCK. Kobe is a Hall of Famer Ben is not. Ben has one Pro Bowl Kobe is a All Star game regular. Kobe is the PRIMARY reason the Lakers are good. Ben is not. Ben won a SB in 05 with the worst qb performance in history. Yes he played well in games leading up to SB 40 but thats due in part to the #1 rushing game in the NFL. They expected run and Whiz called passes. SB 43 we were lead by the #1 defense. In fact Ben has ONE TD pass and THREE Ints. He is HARDLY the reason we have 2 rings in his tenure. We rode Ben last season (His best year) and we went 9-7.

you talk about kobe as if he were jordan. kobe needs a lot more around him to win championships then jordan did. kobe isnt anything without the team around him just like most players. kobe finally one a championship without shaq but it took a while to build the team around kobe. if ben were on a crap team like the rams he would still put up good numbers. ben maybe isnt a hall of famer yet but kobe didnt go to college and is older than ben. in the 2005 post season besides the sb ben was amazing. who cares if the defenses facing the steelers expected the run ben still completed the passes. i guess joe montana wasnt all that clutch, after all in the sb against the bengals the defense was double teaming jerry rice and left john taylor wide open.

I don't talk about Kobe like he is Jordan. I talk about Kobe like he is the best player in the league the last 8 or 9 years. Ben has NEVER been that. No comparrison. How many rings did Jordan win without Pippen. Kobe won without Shaq. You say Ben would put up good numbers on the rams? I disagree. He leads the league in SACKS on a TOP team. What do you think would happen on a bottom team? It took Ben 6 years to put up good numbers for the Steelers and what was the result of those numbers? Go ahead and blame the defense. That SAME defense got us a ring in 08 and not Ben. Thats right we won in 08 with our qb committing TWENTY THREE turnovers. Funny the Rams wouldnt trade Bradford for Ben. Telling. Ben was amazing in 05 post season BECAUSE of the # 1 running game in the league. They expected run and we passed. What did he do in the SB wihen Holmgren took away that run? He sucked. Had we played a better team than the Seagals we would have lost. Joe Montana NEVER had a defense like Ben OR a running game like Ben and he still won FOUR. He STILL played lights out in the big game. Whereas Ben has ONE TD and THREE ints in the big game. Montana has ELEVEN Td's and ZERO Ints in the Big game. Oh by the way he also has THREE SB MVPs. Ben has ZERO. Montana looked great against all time defenses like the Bears D, The Giants (LT) and a great team like the Skins. Montana was rich, handsome and a woman magnet and NEVER had one Sexual Allegation. Kobe and Montana DESTROY the competition. Ben does JUST ENOUGH to get by. With a dominant defense like the Steelers have Ben should NEVER have to come from behind. It's an indictment against him. The Great Terry Bradshaw utilized his great defense by putting points on the board, not having to come from hehind as a result of putt putting along all game

joe montana had a very good defense and a great running game. roger craig was a hell of a lot better than willie parker and an old bus. kobe isnt the best player. lebron has been better than him for some time. even now chris paul i would say is better than kobe. pippen haha? really? shaq is a hall of famer, pippen was a good player but not great. jordan won rings with very little help and a lot less than what kobe has had. imo ben should have one sb mvp. he threw two perfect passes against the cards in 08 only one of the passes were caught. i always thought it was stupid that holmes got the mvp since he dropped the first td pass. the rams not wanting to trade bradford for ben is because they are the rams. some teams do not make good moves the rams are one of them. bradford for ben are you kidding me? if you wouldnt make that trade if you are the rams GM than you are an idiot. bradford hasnt proven anything except that he has problems getting through an 11 game season

Ben's running game LEAD THE LEAGUE IN RUSHING IN 05. Please show me WHEN Montanas did. Please inform me WHEN Montanas D LED THE LEAGUE. See the difference? Of course you don't. Lebron is better than Kobe BECAUSE Kobe is in his FOURTEENTH season. Kinda Like comparing Ben to an older Manning. Fact is KOBE is the PRIMARY reason the Lakers are good. Ben is NOT. Ben SHOULD have a SB MVP? Why? Because he started to play in the FOURTH qtr? They Take away Ben's last drive and his numbers were TERRIBLE. TONE made that Lsst drive NOT BEN. My question is IF Ben plays like that ALL GAME, we blow them out. It was stupid for Holmes to get the MVP over a drop BUT Ben should get the award DESPITE a Int. What hurt the team more? The drop or the INT? Do you lose possesion over a drop? Come on guy. Ben didnt get traded because the LEAGUE realizes that he ISNT as good as BEN FANS believe him to be. You see the guy is INCONSISTENT as heck (See Cleveland, Jags games, Eagles, Titans, Giants and Skins games the last 2 seasons). Ben plays when he wants to and he is the white version of T.O. Only difference is that Ben doesnt perform as well as T.O (Individually) and T.O doesnt get the cops or a judge involved in his issues.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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Ben is not Kobe. Kobe is an ASSASSIN. The best in the game for years. Ben has never been the best. Ben is FORTUNATE to play for the Steelers. Kobe would be one of the best on the worst team. But Ben on the Rams and he'd SUCK. Kobe is a Hall of Famer Ben is not. Ben has one Pro Bowl Kobe is a All Star game regular. Kobe is the PRIMARY reason the Lakers are good. Ben is not. Ben won a SB in 05 with the worst qb performance in history. Yes he played well in games leading up to SB 40 but thats due in part to the #1 rushing game in the NFL. They expected run and Whiz called passes. SB 43 we were lead by the #1 defense. In fact Ben has ONE TD pass and THREE Ints. He is HARDLY the reason we have 2 rings in his tenure. We rode Ben last season (His best year) and we went 9-7.

you talk about kobe as if he were jordan. kobe needs a lot more around him to win championships then jordan did. kobe isnt anything without the team around him just like most players. kobe finally one a championship without shaq but it took a while to build the team around kobe. if ben were on a crap team like the rams he would still put up good numbers. ben maybe isnt a hall of famer yet but kobe didnt go to college and is older than ben. in the 2005 post season besides the sb ben was amazing. who cares if the defenses facing the steelers expected the run ben still completed the passes. i guess joe montana wasnt all that clutch, after all in the sb against the bengals the defense was double teaming jerry rice and left john taylor wide open.

I don't talk about Kobe like he is Jordan. I talk about Kobe like he is the best player in the league the last 8 or 9 years. Ben has NEVER been that. No comparrison. How many rings did Jordan win without Pippen. Kobe won without Shaq. You say Ben would put up good numbers on the rams? I disagree. He leads the league in SACKS on a TOP team. What do you think would happen on a bottom team? It took Ben 6 years to put up good numbers for the Steelers and what was the result of those numbers? Go ahead and blame the defense. That SAME defense got us a ring in 08 and not Ben. Thats right we won in 08 with our qb committing TWENTY THREE turnovers. Funny the Rams wouldnt trade Bradford for Ben. Telling. Ben was amazing in 05 post season BECAUSE of the # 1 running game in the league. They expected run and we passed. What did he do in the SB wihen Holmgren took away that run? He sucked. Had we played a better team than the Seagals we would have lost. Joe Montana NEVER had a defense like Ben OR a running game like Ben and he still won FOUR. He STILL played lights out in the big game. Whereas Ben has ONE TD and THREE ints in the big game. Montana has ELEVEN Td's and ZERO Ints in the Big game. Oh by the way he also has THREE SB MVPs. Ben has ZERO. Montana looked great against all time defenses like the Bears D, The Giants (LT) and a great team like the Skins. Montana was rich, handsome and a woman magnet and NEVER had one Sexual Allegation. Kobe and Montana DESTROY the competition. Ben does JUST ENOUGH to get by. With a dominant defense like the Steelers have Ben should NEVER have to come from behind. It's an indictment against him. The Great Terry Bradshaw utilized his great defense by putting points on the board, not having to come from hehind as a result of putt putting along all game

joe montana had a very good defense and a great running game. roger craig was a hell of a lot better than willie parker and an old bus. kobe isnt the best player. lebron has been better than him for some time. even now chris paul i would say is better than kobe. pippen haha? really? shaq is a hall of famer, pippen was a good player but not great. jordan won rings with very little help and a lot less than what kobe has had. imo ben should have one sb mvp. he threw two perfect passes against the cards in 08 only one of the passes were caught. i always thought it was stupid that holmes got the mvp since he dropped the first td pass. the rams not wanting to trade bradford for ben is because they are the rams. some teams do not make good moves the rams are one of them. bradford for ben are you kidding me? if you wouldnt make that trade if you are the rams GM than you are an idiot. bradford hasnt proven anything except that he has problems getting through an 11 game season

Ben's running game LEAD THE LEAGUE IN RUSHING IN 05. Please show me WHEN Montanas did. Please inform me WHEN Montanas D LED THE LEAGUE. See the difference? Of course you don't. Lebron is better than Kobe BECAUSE Kobe is in his FOURTEENTH season. Kinda Like comparing Ben to an older Manning. Fact is KOBE is the PRIMARY reason the Lakers are good. Ben is NOT. Ben SHOULD have a SB MVP? Why? Because he started to play in the FOURTH qtr? They Take away Ben's last drive and his numbers were TERRIBLE. TONE made that Lsst drive NOT BEN. My question is IF Ben plays like that ALL GAME, we blow them out. It was stupid for Holmes to get the MVP over a drop BUT Ben should get the award DESPITE a Int. What hurt the team more? The drop or the INT? Do you lose possesion over a drop? Come on guy. Ben didnt get traded because the LEAGUE realizes that he ISNT as good as BEN FANS believe him to be. You see the guy is INCONSISTENT as heck (See Cleveland, Jags games, Eagles, Titans, Giants and Skins games the last 2 seasons). Ben plays when he wants to and he is the white version of T.O. Only difference is that Ben doesnt perform as well as T.O (Individually) and T.O doesnt get the cops or a judge involved in his issues.

Sorry pal...the facts about rushing offense and total defense don't support you.

Ben's Steelers didn't league in rushing in 2005. They were 5th in the league.

While Montana's Niners never lead the league in rushing in any of his Super Bowl years, they did finish 2nd in the league in rushing in 1988 and 3rd in the league in rushing in 1984.




Here are the facts that you didn't bother to look up before spouting off:


Montana's 49ers won Super Bowls following the 1981, 1984, 1988, and 1989 seasons.

Roethlisberger's Steelers won Super Bowls following the 2005 and 2008 seasons.


In 1981, San Francisco was 2nd in total defense and 19th in rushing offense.

In 1984, San Francisco was 10th in total defense and 3rd in rushing offense.

In 1988, San Francisco was 3rd in total defense and 2nd in rushing offense.

In 1989, San Francisco was 4th in total defense and 10th in rushing offense.

In 2005, Pittsburgh was 4th in total defense and 5th in rushing offense.

In 2008, Pittsburgh was 1st in total defense and 23rd in rushing offense.

[HeHateMe]

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Thanks for establishing that my stats were CORRECT. I asked you to show me WHEN Montanas D led the league. You couldnt. Telling. I asked you to show me WHEN Montanas offense led the league in rushing. YOU COULDNT. TELLING. You CONFIRMED what I said in that the Steelers led the league in Defense in 08 (The year Ben had TWENTY THREE TURNOVERS). We also, LED the league in Ben's rookie season (04-05) and as you pointed out were top FIVE the SB season. AGAIN, Montana was the PRIMARY reason that the 9ers were SB champs. BEN WAS NOT. For you to even ATTEMPT to compare ben with a GIANT like MONTANA is TELLING.

PROOF that the Steelers had one of the BEST running games in the league.


When Roethlisberger took over, running the ball "took a little bit of pressure off that position early," Whisenhunt said.
The return to what many might call "Steelers football" also paved the way for the 2005 run to the Super Bowl.


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[RuthlessBurgher]

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Thanks for establishing that my stats were CORRECT. I asked you to show me WHEN Montanas D led the league. You couldnt. Telling. I asked you to show me WHEN Montanas offense led the league in rushing. YOU COULDNT. TELLING. You CONFIRMED what I said in that the Steelers led the league in Defense in 08 (The year Ben had TWENTY THREE TURNOVERS). We also, LED the league in Ben's rookie season (04-05) and as you pointed out were top FIVE the SB season. AGAIN, Montana was the PRIMARY reason that the 9ers were SB champs. BEN WAS NOT. For you to even ATTEMPT to compare ben with a GIANT like MONTANA is TELLING.

PROOF that the Steelers had one of the BEST running games in the league.


When Roethlisberger took over, running the ball "took a little bit of pressure off that position early," Whisenhunt said.
The return to what many might call "Steelers football" also paved the way for the 2005 run to the Super Bowl.


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You claimed "Ben's running game LEAD THE LEAGUE IN RUSHING IN 05" which is false.

Ben certainly benefitted from excellent defense during his Super Bowl seasons (team ranked 1st and 4th in total defense in those 2 SB seasons) but so did Joe (team ranked 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 10th in total defense in those 4 SB seasons). We were top 4 in total defense both times we won the Super Bowl with Ben, and the Niners were top 4 in total defense 3 out of the 4 times the Niners won the Super Bowl with him (and were still a top 10 defense the other season).

In terms of a running game, Ben had a top 5 rushing attack in his one Super Bowl season, and a below average rushing attack (23rd in the league) the other season. Joe had a top 3 rushing attack (2nd and 3rd in the league) in two of his 4 Super Bowl seasons, had a top 10 rushing attack in one season, and had a below average rushing attack (19th in the league) the other season.

The point I'm trying to make is that no quarterback (even the legendary Montana) wins a Super Bowl by himself. Joe Cool got just as much help from him rushing attack and defense as Ben did. The media portrays Montana as God's gift to quarterbacking and portrays Roethlisberger as just some loaf of a game manager whose role is to simply not screw things up when he is riding the coattails of a superior team. Neither is correct. Joe's Niners needed a run game and defense to be successful just like Ben, and Ben was able to put the team on his shoulders when the chips were down just like Joe. I respect the contributions of both players to their teams' victories.

[HeHateMe]

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Thanks for establishing that my stats were CORRECT. I asked you to show me WHEN Montanas D led the league. You couldnt. Telling. I asked you to show me WHEN Montanas offense led the league in rushing. YOU COULDNT. TELLING. You CONFIRMED what I said in that the Steelers led the league in Defense in 08 (The year Ben had TWENTY THREE TURNOVERS). We also, LED the league in Ben's rookie season (04-05) and as you pointed out were top FIVE the SB season. AGAIN, Montana was the PRIMARY reason that the 9ers were SB champs. BEN WAS NOT. For you to even ATTEMPT to compare ben with a GIANT like MONTANA is TELLING.

PROOF that the Steelers had one of the BEST running games in the league.


When Roethlisberger took over, running the ball "took a little bit of pressure off that position early," Whisenhunt said.
The return to what many might call "Steelers football" also paved the way for the 2005 run to the Super Bowl.


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You claimed "Ben's running game LEAD THE LEAGUE IN RUSHING IN 05" which is false.

Ben certainly benefitted from excellent defense during his Super Bowl seasons (team ranked 1st and 4th in total defense in those 2 SB seasons) but so did Joe (team ranked 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 10th in total defense in those 4 SB seasons). We were top 4 in total defense both times we won the Super Bowl with Ben, and the Niners were top 4 in total defense 3 out of the 4 times the Niners won the Super Bowl with him (and were still a top 10 defense the other season).

In terms of a running game, Ben had a top 5 rushing attack in his one Super Bowl season, and a below average rushing attack (23rd in the league) the other season. Joe had a top 3 rushing attack (2nd and 3rd in the league) in two of his 4 Super Bowl seasons, had a top 10 rushing attack in one season, and had a below average rushing attack (19th in the league) the other season.

The point I'm trying to make is that no quarterback (even the legendary Montana) wins a Super Bowl by himself. Joe Cool got just as much help from him rushing attack and defense as Ben did. The media portrays Montana as God's gift to quarterbacking and portrays Roethlisberger as just some loaf of a game manager whose role is to simply not screw things up when he is riding the coattails of a superior team. Neither is correct. Joe's Niners needed a run game and defense to be successful just like Ben, and Ben was able to put the team on his shoulders when the chips were down just like Joe. I respect the contributions of both players to their teams' victories.

His running game led the league in 04. My bad. He was 4th in 05. Whiz says it AIDED him. Who would know? Him or you or I? Joe Montanas teams BLEW out their opponents. He was very efficient. In 05 and especially 08 we WON ALOT OF CLOSE GAMES. Joe Montana was the PRIMARY reason the 9ers were great. THE PRIMARY. Ben is NOT. Big difference. Its funny that the WEST COAST OFFENSE is popular amongst the league and the DEFENSE they ran is not. Do you know why? It is because the OFFENSE is what made that team LEGENDARY. The DEFENSE is what has made the STEELERS LEGENDARY. Past and PRESENT. Our defense is the BIGGEST opstacle of ANY opponent. NOT BEN. Montana was the biggest opstacle for ANY defense. You will find NO purist who puts Ben on ANY even ground with Montana, NOT ONE. The only person that would say that is a BIASED Steeler fan. Joe is a Hall of Famer (BY his 7th season- THEN HE WENT ON TO WIN TWO MORE) BEN IS NOT. TELLING

[SteelAbility]

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Thanks for establishing that my stats were CORRECT. I asked you to show me WHEN Montanas D led the league. You couldnt. Telling. I asked you to show me WHEN Montanas offense led the league in rushing. YOU COULDNT. TELLING. You CONFIRMED what I said in that the Steelers led the league in Defense in 08 (The year Ben had TWENTY THREE TURNOVERS). We also, LED the league in Ben's rookie season (04-05) and as you pointed out were top FIVE the SB season. AGAIN, Montana was the PRIMARY reason that the 9ers were SB champs. BEN WAS NOT. For you to even ATTEMPT to compare ben with a GIANT like MONTANA is TELLING.

PROOF that the Steelers had one of the BEST running games in the league.


When Roethlisberger took over, running the ball "took a little bit of pressure off that position early," Whisenhunt said.
The return to what many might call "Steelers football" also paved the way for the 2005 run to the Super Bowl.


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You claimed "Ben's running game LEAD THE LEAGUE IN RUSHING IN 05" which is false.

Ben certainly benefitted from excellent defense during his Super Bowl seasons (team ranked 1st and 4th in total defense in those 2 SB seasons) but so did Joe (team ranked 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 10th in total defense in those 4 SB seasons). We were top 4 in total defense both times we won the Super Bowl with Ben, and the Niners were top 4 in total defense 3 out of the 4 times the Niners won the Super Bowl with him (and were still a top 10 defense the other season).

In terms of a running game, Ben had a top 5 rushing attack in his one Super Bowl season, and a below average rushing attack (23rd in the league) the other season. Joe had a top 3 rushing attack (2nd and 3rd in the league) in two of his 4 Super Bowl seasons, had a top 10 rushing attack in one season, and had a below average rushing attack (19th in the league) the other season.

The point I'm trying to make is that no quarterback (even the legendary Montana) wins a Super Bowl by himself. Joe Cool got just as much help from him rushing attack and defense as Ben did. The media portrays Montana as God's gift to quarterbacking and portrays Roethlisberger as just some loaf of a game manager whose role is to simply not screw things up when he is riding the coattails of a superior team. Neither is correct. Joe's Niners needed a run game and defense to be successful just like Ben, and Ben was able to put the team on his shoulders when the chips were down just like Joe. I respect the contributions of both players to their teams' victories.

His running game led the league in 04. My bad. He was 4th in 05. Whiz says it AIDED him. Who would know? Him or you or I? Joe Montanas teams BLEW out their opponents. He was very efficient. In 05 and especially 08 we WON ALOT OF CLOSE GAMES. Joe Montana was the PRIMARY reason the 9ers were great. THE PRIMARY. Ben is NOT. Big difference. Its funny that the WEST COAST OFFENSE is popular amongst the league and the DEFENSE they ran is not. Do you know why? It is because the OFFENSE is what made that team LEGENDARY. The DEFENSE is what has made the STEELERS LEGENDARY. Past and PRESENT. Our defense is the BIGGEST opstacle of ANY opponent. NOT BEN. Montana was the biggest opstacle for ANY defense. You will find NO purist who puts Ben on ANY even ground with Montana, NOT ONE. The only person that would say that is a BIASED Steeler fan. Joe is a Hall of Famer (BY his 7th season- THEN HE WENT ON TO WIN TWO MORE) BEN IS NOT. TELLING

The most telling stat of efficiency is YPA ...

Montana 7.5 YPA (career)
Ben 8.0 YPA (career)

Plus, Ben never had a receiver anywhere near the quality of Jerry Rice or an OC with anywhere near the offensive mind of Bill Walsh. You would do well to give the WHOLE picture. But again you are strong-arming by conveniently leaving out key facts.

Oh, yeah, if I remember right, the 9ers got blown out by the Giants in one of the NFC, divisional playoffs. What was the score there ... 40-something to 0? But I guess that doesn't count on Montana's resume.

[HeHateMe]

Re: Cowher says Roethlisberger was respected by team

Thanks for establishing that my stats were CORRECT. I asked you to show me WHEN Montanas D led the league. You couldnt. Telling. I asked you to show me WHEN Montanas offense led the league in rushing. YOU COULDNT. TELLING. You CONFIRMED what I said in that the Steelers led the league in Defense in 08 (The year Ben had TWENTY THREE TURNOVERS). We also, LED the league in Ben's rookie season (04-05) and as you pointed out were top FIVE the SB season. AGAIN, Montana was the PRIMARY reason that the 9ers were SB champs. BEN WAS NOT. For you to even ATTEMPT to compare ben with a GIANT like MONTANA is TELLING.

PROOF that the Steelers had one of the BEST running games in the league.


When Roethlisberger took over, running the ball "took a little bit of pressure off that position early," Whisenhunt said.
The return to what many might call "Steelers football" also paved the way for the 2005 run to the Super Bowl.


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You claimed "Ben's running game LEAD THE LEAGUE IN RUSHING IN 05" which is false.

Ben certainly benefitted from excellent defense during his Super Bowl seasons (team ranked 1st and 4th in total defense in those 2 SB seasons) but so did Joe (team ranked 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 10th in total defense in those 4 SB seasons). We were top 4 in total defense both times we won the Super Bowl with Ben, and the Niners were top 4 in total defense 3 out of the 4 times the Niners won the Super Bowl with him (and were still a top 10 defense the other season).

In terms of a running game, Ben had a top 5 rushing attack in his one Super Bowl season, and a below average rushing attack (23rd in the league) the other season. Joe had a top 3 rushing attack (2nd and 3rd in the league) in two of his 4 Super Bowl seasons, had a top 10 rushing attack in one season, and had a below average rushing attack (19th in the league) the other season.

The point I'm trying to make is that no quarterback (even the legendary Montana) wins a Super Bowl by himself. Joe Cool got just as much help from him rushing attack and defense as Ben did. The media portrays Montana as God's gift to quarterbacking and portrays Roethlisberger as just some loaf of a game manager whose role is to simply not screw things up when he is riding the coattails of a superior team. Neither is correct. Joe's Niners needed a run game and defense to be successful just like Ben, and Ben was able to put the team on his shoulders when the chips were down just like Joe. I respect the contributions of both players to their teams' victories.

His running game led the league in 04. My bad. He was 4th in 05. Whiz says it AIDED him. Who would know? Him or you or I? Joe Montanas teams BLEW out their opponents. He was very efficient. In 05 and especially 08 we WON ALOT OF CLOSE GAMES. Joe Montana was the PRIMARY reason the 9ers were great. THE PRIMARY. Ben is NOT. Big difference. Its funny that the WEST COAST OFFENSE is popular amongst the league and the DEFENSE they ran is not. Do you know why? It is because the OFFENSE is what made that team LEGENDARY. The DEFENSE is what has made the STEELERS LEGENDARY. Past and PRESENT. Our defense is the BIGGEST opstacle of ANY opponent. NOT BEN. Montana was the biggest opstacle for ANY defense. You will find NO purist who puts Ben on ANY even ground with Montana, NOT ONE. The only person that would say that is a BIASED Steeler fan. Joe is a Hall of Famer (BY his 7th season- THEN HE WENT ON TO WIN TWO MORE) BEN IS NOT. TELLING

The most telling stat of efficiency is YPA ...

Montana 7.5 YPA (career)
Ben 8.0 YPA (career)

Plus, Ben never had a receiver anywhere near the quality of Jerry Rice or an OC with anywhere near the offensive mind of Bill Walsh. You would do well to give the WHOLE picture. But again you are strong-arming by conveniently leaving out key facts.

Oh, yeah, if I remember right, the 9ers got blown out by the Giants in one of the NFC, divisional playoffs. What was the score there ... 40-something to 0? But I guess that doesn't count on Montana's resume.

So you take 6 years vs 14 or so and claim Ben the statistical champ LOL WOW
Walsh would not start Ben. He is too dumb. Walsh is not patient. Ben cant run the west coast offense. It is predicated on SHORT PASSES (hence the YPA). You forget Montana had success under Holmgren, Sam Wyche, it didnt matter lol. He even had success at KC. Must have been Rice and the OC. Oh wait they werent there. Montana is a HALL OF FAMER and discussed as the BEST ever. I personally prefer Marino but thats a different convo. The Giants were a great team and had the best LB in the history of the game on the team. Wonder how Ben would fair vs LT. LOL
The mere fact that you BEN fans are trying to pit Ben vs the great Montana tells me ALL I NEED TO KNOW
LOL

[grotonsteel]

Re: Cowher says Roethlisberger was respected by team

Ok guys its time to focus here.....everyone do me a favor and look at my girls butt to the left and then take a deep breath and lets focus here...........FOCUS FOCUS....

BIG BEN!!!!!

1. This is the same guy who took his OLINE to detroit to build team bonding and that did what for the team???? WON THE SUPERBOWL.
2. Its the same guy who on National Television during the most watched show in the WORLD said the following.....OLINE??? WHOS LAUGHING NOW???? He didnt brag about himself up there holding a trophy.
3. Same guy who fights for a guy you all hate...BA..........
4. Same guy who promised BUS a superbowl.......Same guy who hands BUS all the playoff balls, same guy who hugged and cried a little after superbowl XL.......
5. Same guy who you see talking to HOLMES about his first superbowl and telling him he'll get him the ball early....Who was the guy who caught the game winner again??
6. Same guy you see holding TOMLINS hand during that superbowl......that pic is my ALL TIME FAVORITE STEELER PICTURE...........
7. Same guy who goes up and down on the sideline telling the OLINE good job and that it was ALL THEM that drive!!!!!!!!
8. Same guy who you see talking to Mendenhall about holding onto the ball........
9. Same guy who during training camp the year they won superbowl XL was out 45 minutes before everyone else signing autographs. That year they said he was always out early signing. I got my jersey signed. I'm sure some years he doesnt like last year and other years....Was he overly friendly???? Not really but he signed his bad word off and the less he talked the more that got signed.......
10. Same guy who did make a wish!!!!!!!
11. Same guy who buys police dogs for other cities beside PITT.
12. Same guy who held Hines Hand on the sideline and actually gets into the game and watches the defense.
13. Same guy who told TROY during the AFC Championship game that hes AWESOME. Ever see Payton say that to his defense??? what did Payton say about his OLINE during the loss to the steelers that one year???? OH WE HAD SOME PROTECTION PROBLEMS....I mean lets get real here..........

In fact I love the steelers because they actually get involved....that year Leftwich ran for a TD and Casey Hampton was laughing at him and making fun of his run.......Our team actually gets into the game and each other......You dont see that on other teams like you do with the STEELERS.............

I'm sure there are more but it doesnt matter.........The guy is a team player........all his post game interviews is like listening to the white version of TOMLIN..........Game winning TD Throw in the superbowl he said the play was pump once, pump twice, get open......or something crazy.......he didnt say oh i audibled at the line....i made this decision...I did that..........he thought it was PICKED and so DID I...........he isnt about himself.

YES HES 26.....yes he puts himself in bad situations.............Yes he called this girl a tease in bar #1 and ends up doing something in bar #3 with her..........she wore a DTF badge....I mean come on...........who hasnt done something at the age of 26???? Doesnt mean he's not liked in the locker room or on the team..............COME ON!!!! This is just DUMB talk..............he was out with a teammate.....how is he not liked and out with a teammate???? I bet these guys are probably laughing about this crap and will give him a hard time........MOORE was on the VIKING SHIP wasnt he with the escorts????? Wasnt he????? We all LOVE him..................

Lets focus!!!!!!!! This is one bad drunken night!!!!!

My brother bought us beer when I was 19....he was 22.........He took a friend of mine to the high school parking lot after she had been drinking and now they are married. He contributed to a minor, had sex with her and then married her.................So it happens.................................lets keep it real people.............


LETS GOOO STEELERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great Post....