After this season the Steelers would be wise to part ways with Harris

[Joel Buchsbaum]

We need Najee right now, but after this season the Steelers would be wise to part ways with Harris

I have long been a critic of Harris, so some may see me as grinding on him. Whether or not I like the guy has nothing to do with the facts and results.

The facts are he is a bottom level starter in the NFL. His YPR and YPC sucks while the other backs on the Steelers don't. He cant run wide well, doesn't hit the hold quickly, and is easy to defend as an in the box back who runs in between the tackles. He is the one of the slowest starting backs in the NFL and one not likey to produce big plays. Too often he is hit for losses or 1 or 2 yards gains which puts the Steelers offense in a hole. In ligno scouting terms he is a north - south back with very little east - west running ability, speed, acceleration, and moves. He doesn't follow his blockers well either. He is a durable back and a decent ( but not very good or great ) power runner but that is as far as I go.

He is averaging 3.4 yards a carry, and has not scored a touchdown this year .

His latest gaffe in not running out of bounds to preserve clock late in the game was a stupid mistake. As was giving the fans the middle fighter. Expect the NFL to give a fine.

Soon Warren's injury will heal and maybe Patterson can be used more...both men are effective when healthy and two might be our 1-2 best combo. Think about that. Art Smith should.

There are also quite a few good college backs. Maybe we will draft one of them? The fact that the Steelers did not pick up a 5th year option on Harris, means he is likey gone next year.

I say good riddance

[Mr.wizard]

Harris is probably gone next season no matter how he plays this year, especially if we are looking to bring another big time receiver. I don't think that will change much for Warren though, Steelers will probably draft another back to replace Harris.

[feltdizz]

thoughts.

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/Gt3PBRjz6D6t1v8r/?mibextid=Mk4v2M

[Mr.wizard]

thoughts.

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/Gt3...ibextid=Mk4v2M

Wow looks like some really bad blocking.

[feltdizz]

We need Najee right now, but after this season the Steelers would be wise to part ways with Harris

I have long been a critic of Harris, so some may see me as grinding on him. Whether or not I like the guy has nothing to do with the facts and results.

The facts are he is a bottom level starter in the NFL. His YPR and YPC sucks while the other backs on the Steelers don't. He cant run wide well, doesn't hit the hold quickly, and is easy to defend as an in the box back who runs in between the tackles. He is the one of the slowest starting backs in the NFL and one not likey to produce big plays. Too often he is hit for losses or 1 or 2 yards gains which puts the Steelers offense in a hole. In ligno scouting terms he is a north - south back with very little east - west running ability, speed, acceleration, and moves. He doesn't follow his blockers well either. He is a durable back and a decent ( but not very good or great ) power runner but that is as far as I go.

He is averaging 3.4 yards a carry, and has not scored a touchdown this year .

His latest gaffe in not running out of bounds to preserve clock late in the game was a stupid mistake. As was giving the fans the middle fighter. Expect the NFL to give a fine.

Soon Warren's injury will heal and maybe Patterson can be used more...both men are effective when healthy and two might be our 1-2 best combo. Think about that. Art Smith should.

There are also quite a few good college backs. Maybe we will draft one of them? The fact that the Steelers did not pick up a 5th year option on Harris, means he is likey gone next year.

I say good riddance

Pickens has no TD’s right now and a terrible turnover that some could say lost the game last week.

Harris prolly has a TD vs Chargers if we wanted it.

If you have facebook click the link I posted to see how many times the OL missed blocks. One tome Frazier pretty much tackles Harris in the backfield because he got blown up. Another time Heyward whiffs on a block.

Harris didn’t have a good game but neither did the OL or DL or LB’s. We need to pass more with Harris on the field. Right now its 75% run with Harris.

[Mr.wizard]

thoughts.

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/Gt3...ibextid=Mk4v2M

I was watching that Derek Henry 87 yarder and when he gets the handoff there is nobody within 4 yards of him, and he goes untouched for 87 yards. I watch us run the ball and it looks like the entire defense is in the backfield.

[NorthCoast]

Harris is probably gone next season no matter how he plays this year, especially if we are looking to bring another big time receiver. I don't think that will change much for Warren though, Steelers will probably draft another back to replace Harris.

Agreed. The Steelers pretty much sent the signal they are moving on when they didn't extend the option. The Steelers now have two pieces of evidence that suggest Harris struggles with reading zone runs. Both Warren and Patterson showed significant differences in production. Harris' main saving grace is that he is durable and doesn't fumble.

Harris averages 78 scrimmage yards/gm. Contrast that with someone like Henry who is averaging 130+ yds/gm. In fact, all the top RBs are averaging 100+ total yds/gm.

[NorthCoast]

I was watching that Derek Henry 87 yarder and when he gets the handoff there is nobody within 4 yards of him, and he goes untouched for 87 yards. I watch us run the ball and it looks like the entire defense is in the backfield.

Let me ask, on the one screen pass that Harris gained big yards, don't you think a guy like Henry, or even Warren or Patterson would have scored on that play?

and btw, is this really the leadership Tomlin wants?

The pregame atmosphere was electric, but an incident involving running back Najee Harris set the tone for a tumultuous contest. As the Steelers ran onto the field, Harris was caught on camera flipping off the jumbotron, a gesture that did not sit well with the Colts’ defense.

This moment of bravado seemed to fuel the Colts, who were determined to make Harris pay for his actions. As the game unfolded, it became clear that Pittsburgh’s running game was in for a rough day. Following the game, Colts linebacker Zaire Franklin did not hold back in his criticism of Harris, asserting that Patterson displayed more grit and intensity in his runs, labeling Harris as soft.

On Wednesday, Franklin further elaborated on his sentiments during an appearance on his podcast, The Trenches, alongside teammate EJ Speed. In a brutal rant, he dissected Harris's performance, indicating that the Steelers' running back had failed to rise to the occasion and that his earlier antics were fuel to the fire.

"He actually was complaining to the ref. That’s what he was doing. 'Ref, ref look at him. That’s aggressive.' I don’t know that guy personally… I wouldn’t say I have personal feelings towards that guy, but what I will say is he flipped the double birds to our fans. I’m rocking with Indy. This is where I’m at… And you flipping off my city coming in and then you go put out that type of performance, I’m gonna speak on that."

Franklin and Speed expressed their anger over Harris's gesture, deeming it disrespectful.

[Mr.wizard]

Agreed. The Steelers pretty much sent the signal they are moving on when they didn't extend the option. The Steelers now have two pieces of evidence that suggest Harris struggles with reading zone runs. Both Warren and Patterson showed significant differences in production. Harris' main saving grace is that he is durable and doesn't fumble.

Harris averages 78 scrimmage yards/gm. Contrast that with someone like Henry who is averaging 130+ yds/gm. In fact, all the top RBs are averaging 100+ total yds/gm.

Not sure why people keep bringing up Warren, he has 14 carries through 3 games for 54 yards, not sure there significant difference in production. Same with Patterson he has 16 carries through 4 games for 92 yds. Najee has 68 carries, combined the two haven't carried the ball even half the amount Harris has also Harris has the same amount of catches as Warren and Patterson combined.

[Mr.wizard]

Let me ask, on the one screen pass that Harris gained big yards, don't you think a guy like Henry, or even Warren or Patterson would have scored on that play?

and btw, is this really the leadership Tomlin wants?

No they wouldn't have scored, first he was out running guys he wasn't caught from behind, the first defender that hits him is already ahead of the play, in fact there two or 3 defenders ahead of the play.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Wow looks like some really bad blocking.

Funny Patterson has no such issues in the same game. Maybe the defense we faced respected his ability to attack the whole field? Yeah, I think so. And he has better speed and moves to take advantge of the blocking that he had.

[Mr.wizard]

Funny Patterson has no such issues in the same game. Maybe the defense we faced respected his ability to attack the whole field? Yeah, I think so. And he has better speed and moves to take advantge of the blocking that he had.

Just watch the video he posted there is no where to go, it speaks for itself

[feltdizz]

Wow looks like some really bad blocking.

teams know the chances of a run with Najee is much higher and run blitz. We have to do a better job of spreading teams out and using play actions.

[feltdizz]

Agreed. The Steelers pretty much sent the signal they are moving on when they didn't extend the option. The Steelers now have two pieces of evidence that suggest Harris struggles with reading zone runs. Both Warren and Patterson showed significant differences in production. Harris' main saving grace is that he is durable and doesn't fumble.

Harris averages 78 scrimmage yards/gm. Contrast that with someone like Henry who is averaging 130+ yds/gm. In fact, all the top RBs are averaging 100+ total yds/gm.

wait… Warren has shown nothing this season so far. He is hurt but to say he has shown something is false.

and yes, Henry is a beast, which is why we may have been a bit too optimistic with Smith’s offense in TN. Without Henry, how has Smith performed as an OC or HC? Its like when people praised McDaniels in Miami as a great play caller. Now the guy can’t do anything without Tua.

[Northern_Blitz]

Harris is probably gone next season no matter how he plays this year, especially if we are looking to bring another big time receiver. I don't think that will change much for Warren though, Steelers will probably draft another back to replace Harris.

Yep. This is the decision we made when we didn't pick up the option.