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  • hawaiiansteel
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    • May 2008
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    What This Draft Tells Us About What the FO Is Thinking

    What This Draft Tells Us About What the Front Office Is Thinking

    Apr 25, 2010


    The draft provides an important opportunity to look into the minds of the Steelers braintrust (Colbert, Tomlin, etc). What they didn't do is as important as what they did do. Here is what the 2010 draft says to me about the thinking of the Steelers' front office:

    * Willie Colon is a keeper at RT. The team had an unexpected chance to draft Brian Baluga in the first round. Although downgraded on some boards, Baluga was generally regarded as one of the top tackles available. By passing on Baluga for an interior lineman, Maurkice Pouncey, the FO indicates that they are not interested in replacing Colon (or shifting him to guard).

    * Limas Sweed looks like a bust. The loss of Santonio Holmes could have thrust former second-round pick Sweed into the third- or fourth-WR spot. Instead, the team signed Antwaan Randle-El to be the third receiver and drafted two more WRs, including third-rounder Emmanuel Sanders. With special-teams demon Arnez Battle penciled into the fifth-WR spot, it now appears possible that Sweed will not even make the roster, unless there is an injury or the team goes with six WRs.

    * The LaMarr Woodley negotiations are not going well. This one is controversial, but my take on the Steelers choosing not one but two OLBs in the first four rounds is that they plan on replacing Woodley after his contract expires at the end of the 2010 season. Remember when Joey Porter left before the 2007 season? The team responded by drafting two LBs, Woodley and Lawrence Timmons, in the first two rounds. Drafting two players at a position of need gives the team Plan A and Plan B, which paid off in 2007 when Timmons, the first pick, was slow to develop. Unlike last time, the new guys have a year to train up before one has to become a starter.



    * Last year's top picks could pay off in 2010. Choosing center Pouncey instead of trading up for guard Mike Iupati gives 2009 third-rounder Kraig Urbik an opportunity to start at RG. Pouncey is likely to compete with Justin Hartwig at center and will probably take over as the starter at some point during the season. Also, the team did not draft a CB until round 5, giving third-rounder Keenan Lewis and fifth-rounder Joe Burnett a shot at William Gay's starting spot. However, the team hedged its bet on the young CBs by bringing back former starter Bryant McFadden.

    * Will Allen looks like a dependable safety. The Steelers could have traded up only a few picks in the second round to get USC's Taylor Mays, a highly rated safety. Instead, the team did not draft a safety at all. The FO appears willing to trust the veteran Allen in a starting role if Troy Polamalu or Ryan Clark, who both missed games in 2009, are again injured.

    * Casey Hampton will last another 2-3 seasons. Of course, the Steelers would not have extended Hampton's contract if they did not feel that he still had some gas left in the tank. But by not drafting a nose tackle in any round, the team signaled that they do not need to get Hampton's replacement any time soon.

    * Stefan Logan is headed for a new team. I lost count of the number of Steelers draft picks who can return punts and/or kickoffs. Of course, the team also signed free-agent Battle as a possible return man. Although Logan did an admirable job in 2009, it looks like the FO wants to save a roster spot by using someone else (or a combination of someone elses) to return kicks in 2010.

    * Big Ben is not going anywhere. If the team were serious about trading Rothlisberger, they could have drafted a top QB such as Jimmy Clausen (by trading up slightly in the second round) or Colt McCoy (by trading down in the second round or up in the third) to develop for the future. Instead, they will turn the team back over to their Super Bowl-winning QB after his suspension ends. The FO must be confident that Big Ben will avoid any future shenanigans.

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  • Pahn711
    Backup
    • Jan 2010
    • 373

    #2
    Re: What This Draft Tells Us About What the FO Is Thinking

    This draft told us nothing about Willie Colon. It only told us that the Steelers coveted Pouncy more than Bulaga. Remember that they picked up an offensive tackle in the 5th, and that the Steelers have a habit of turning late round picks into starters.

    Did anyone need to be told Limas Sweed is a bust?

    I'm not sure this draft provides any insight into Lamar Woodley's contract status either. The Steelers have been getting incredibly thin at outside linebacker depth since the special teams purge last year. Do you have any faith in backups Andre Frazier and Patrick Bailey? I don't. My understanding is that these are guys who have remained on the team due to their special team ability, so it seems smart to find guys who can play special teams AND actually play OLB. On the flip side, maybe the Steelers just felt that this draft had alot of linebacker depth?

    I have no doubt that Casey Hampton can play a few more years, but I don't think that had anything to do with the Steelers draft decisions. They have a poor track record of picking defensive linemen in later rounds, and considering they didn't get a crack at the top talent this year, why not wait til they do?
    Some people subscribe to a permanent stasis of wishful thinking. They like to believe the world is made of marshmallows and filled with butterflies. I don't.

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    • isonator07
      Backup
      • Apr 2009
      • 341

      #3
      Re: What This Draft Tells Us About What the FO Is Thinking

      Originally posted by Pahn711
      This draft told us nothing about Willie Colon. It only told us that the Steelers coveted Pouncy more than Bulaga. Remember that they picked up an offensive tackle in the 5th, and that the Steelers have a habit of turning late round picks into starters.

      Did anyone need to be told Limas Sweed is a bust?

      I'm not sure this draft provides any insight into Lamar Woodley's contract status either. The Steelers have been getting incredibly thin at outside linebacker depth since the special teams purge last year. Do you have any faith in backups Andre Frazier and Patrick Bailey? I don't. My understanding is that these are guys who have remained on the team due to their special team ability, so it seems smart to find guys who can play special teams AND actually play OLB. On the flip side, maybe the Steelers just felt that this draft had alot of linebacker depth?

      I have no doubt that Casey Hampton can play a few more years, but I don't think that had anything to do with the Steelers draft decisions. They have a poor track record of picking defensive linemen in later rounds, and considering they didn't get a crack at the top talent this year, why not wait til they do?
      Dan Williams slipped to them in Rd. 1 and T. Cody in Rd. 2 so I'd say the talent was certainly there they just chose to go a different route.

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      • Pahn711
        Backup
        • Jan 2010
        • 373

        #4
        Re: What This Draft Tells Us About What the FO Is Thinking

        Originally posted by isonator07
        Dan Williams slipped to them in Rd. 1 and T. Cody in Rd. 2 so I'd say the talent was certainly there they just chose to go a different route.
        Possibly Dan Williams, if you think DT was a bigger need than center. Casey Hampton just signed a new contract while Hartwig is on the last year of his. I'm also not sold on T. Cody being a legitimate option, but of course I could be wrong.

        It just seems to me that defensive lineman have become tougher and tougher for the Steelers to evaluate properly.
        Some people subscribe to a permanent stasis of wishful thinking. They like to believe the world is made of marshmallows and filled with butterflies. I don't.

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        • NJ-STEELER
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 12563

          #5
          Re: What This Draft Tells Us About What the FO Is Thinking

          i'd have to believe we would tag woodley if we were having trouble signing him.

          there's plenty of others we could/should cut to be able to afford him..including harrison who is much older then him

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          • WoodleyofTroy
            Starter
            • Jan 2009
            • 709

            #6
            Re: What This Draft Tells Us About What the FO Is Thinking

            There's no salary cap. Give him what he wants.
            "That's just Ben being Superman" -John Madden, Super Bowl XLIII

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            • Pahn711
              Backup
              • Jan 2010
              • 373

              #7
              Re: What This Draft Tells Us About What the FO Is Thinking

              Originally posted by WoodleyofTroy
              There's no salary cap. Give him what he wants.
              Unless you buy the Rooney claim that they apply their own personal salary cap. Which you'd have to think they broke with their free agency splurge this offseason.
              Some people subscribe to a permanent stasis of wishful thinking. They like to believe the world is made of marshmallows and filled with butterflies. I don't.

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              • SanAntonioSteelerFan
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                • May 2008
                • 8361

                #8
                Re: What This Draft Tells Us About What the FO Is Thinking

                Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                What This Draft Tells Us About What the Front Office Is Thinking

                Apr 25, 2010


                The draft provides an important opportunity to look into the minds of the Steelers braintrust (Colbert, Tomlin, etc). What they didn't do is as important as what they did do. Here is what the 2010 draft says to me about the thinking of the Steelers' front office:

                ...
                * Limas Sweed looks like a bust. The loss of Santonio Holmes could have thrust former second-round pick Sweed into the third- or fourth-WR spot. Instead, the team signed Antwaan Randle-El to be the third receiver and drafted two more WRs, including third-rounder Emmanuel Sanders. With special-teams demon Arnez Battle penciled into the fifth-WR spot, it now appears possible that Sweed will not even make the roster, unless there is an injury or the team goes with six WRs.

                ...



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                I'm gonna keep my Black & Gold colored glasses on until they get yanked off by reality, and just plan on Sweed catching a zillion touchdowns this year.


                We got our "6-PACK" - time to work on a CASE!

                HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!

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                • phillyesq
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 7568

                  #9
                  Re: What This Draft Tells Us About What the FO Is Thinking

                  Originally posted by SanAntonioSteelerFan
                  Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                  What This Draft Tells Us About What the Front Office Is Thinking

                  Apr 25, 2010


                  The draft provides an important opportunity to look into the minds of the Steelers braintrust (Colbert, Tomlin, etc). What they didn't do is as important as what they did do. Here is what the 2010 draft says to me about the thinking of the Steelers' front office:

                  ...
                  * Limas Sweed looks like a bust. The loss of Santonio Holmes could have thrust former second-round pick Sweed into the third- or fourth-WR spot. Instead, the team signed Antwaan Randle-El to be the third receiver and drafted two more WRs, including third-rounder Emmanuel Sanders. With special-teams demon Arnez Battle penciled into the fifth-WR spot, it now appears possible that Sweed will not even make the roster, unless there is an injury or the team goes with six WRs.

                  ...



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                  I'm gonna keep my Black & Gold colored glasses on until they get yanked off by reality, and just plan on Sweed catching a zillion touchdowns this year.
                  This draft will make it hard for Sweed to make the team. Ward, Wallace, ARE, Battle and Sanders are all virtual locks to make the roster. That leaves Sweed competing with Antonio Brown to convince the FO to keep 6 WRs. Even if the Steelers keep six, I'd think it will be hard for Sweed to be active because he does not play STs.

                  I would have liked to see him get one more chance, but it looks like the Steelers are planning to move on without him.

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                  • Oviedo
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 23824

                    #10
                    Re: What This Draft Tells Us About What the FO Is Thinking

                    Originally posted by phillyesq
                    Originally posted by SanAntonioSteelerFan
                    Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                    What This Draft Tells Us About What the Front Office Is Thinking

                    Apr 25, 2010


                    The draft provides an important opportunity to look into the minds of the Steelers braintrust (Colbert, Tomlin, etc). What they didn't do is as important as what they did do. Here is what the 2010 draft says to me about the thinking of the Steelers' front office:

                    ...
                    * Limas Sweed looks like a bust. The loss of Santonio Holmes could have thrust former second-round pick Sweed into the third- or fourth-WR spot. Instead, the team signed Antwaan Randle-El to be the third receiver and drafted two more WRs, including third-rounder Emmanuel Sanders. With special-teams demon Arnez Battle penciled into the fifth-WR spot, it now appears possible that Sweed will not even make the roster, unless there is an injury or the team goes with six WRs.

                    ...



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                    I'm gonna keep my Black & Gold colored glasses on until they get yanked off by reality, and just plan on Sweed catching a zillion touchdowns this year.
                    This draft will make it hard for Sweed to make the team. Ward, Wallace, ARE, Battle and Sanders are all virtual locks to make the roster. That leaves Sweed competing with Antonio Brown to convince the FO to keep 6 WRs. Even if the Steelers keep six, I'd think it will be hard for Sweed to be active because he does not play STs.

                    I would have liked to see him get one more chance, but it looks like the Steelers are planning to move on without him.
                    IMO Battle was brought in to compete for Anthony Madison's Special Teams spot not to be a viable receiver. Three of the five receivers you list are over 30 years of age. If Sweed shows anything he will be kept because he has more upside than any WR other than Wallace. But it gets down to Sweed doing what he is capable of doing.

                    I don't think that Battle is guaranteed a roster spot. He was brought in by his former ST Coach who is now our ST Coach. However if other players who are younger show they can be good ST players they will push him. All the LBs we drafted are major threats to Battle being on this team.
                    "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                    • Slapstick
                      Rookie
                      • May 2008
                      • 0

                      #11
                      Re: What This Draft Tells Us About What the FO Is Thinking

                      Sweed does play special teams...
                      Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                      • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 10281

                        #12
                        Re: What This Draft Tells Us About What the FO Is Thinking

                        I think that this draft shows us that this team most definitely drafts for value over need.
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                        • papillon
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                          • Mar 2008
                          • 11340

                          #13
                          Re: What This Draft Tells Us About What the FO Is Thinking

                          Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                          I think that this draft shows us that this team most definitely drafts for value over need.
                          Yup, that's for sure, not one analyst over the weekend said that the Steelers reached for any of their picks. Now, when that value turns into production, it's all good, when it doesn't well, then it isn't so good.

                          The OTAs and training camp are going to be very interesting this year, to be sure.

                          Pappy
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                          3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
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                          • phillyesq
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 7568

                            #14
                            Re: What This Draft Tells Us About What the FO Is Thinking

                            Originally posted by Oviedo
                            Originally posted by phillyesq
                            Originally posted by SanAntonioSteelerFan
                            Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                            What This Draft Tells Us About What the Front Office Is Thinking

                            Apr 25, 2010


                            The draft provides an important opportunity to look into the minds of the Steelers braintrust (Colbert, Tomlin, etc). What they didn't do is as important as what they did do. Here is what the 2010 draft says to me about the thinking of the Steelers' front office:

                            ...
                            * Limas Sweed looks like a bust. The loss of Santonio Holmes could have thrust former second-round pick Sweed into the third- or fourth-WR spot. Instead, the team signed Antwaan Randle-El to be the third receiver and drafted two more WRs, including third-rounder Emmanuel Sanders. With special-teams demon Arnez Battle penciled into the fifth-WR spot, it now appears possible that Sweed will not even make the roster, unless there is an injury or the team goes with six WRs.

                            ...



                            [url="http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2010/4/25/1442537/what-this-draft-tells-us-about-the"]http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/20 ... -about-the[/url]
                            I'm gonna keep my Black & Gold colored glasses on until they get yanked off by reality, and just plan on Sweed catching a zillion touchdowns this year.
                            This draft will make it hard for Sweed to make the team. Ward, Wallace, ARE, Battle and Sanders are all virtual locks to make the roster. That leaves Sweed competing with Antonio Brown to convince the FO to keep 6 WRs. Even if the Steelers keep six, I'd think it will be hard for Sweed to be active because he does not play STs.

                            I would have liked to see him get one more chance, but it looks like the Steelers are planning to move on without him.
                            IMO Battle was brought in to compete for Anthony Madison's Special Teams spot not to be a viable receiver. Three of the five receivers you list are over 30 years of age. If Sweed shows anything he will be kept because he has more upside than any WR other than Wallace. But it gets down to Sweed doing what he is capable of doing.

                            I don't think that Battle is guaranteed a roster spot. He was brought in by his former ST Coach who is now our ST Coach. However if other players who are younger show they can be good ST players they will push him. All the LBs we drafted are major threats to Battle being on this team.
                            I don't think that Battle should be guaranteed a roster spot. But the Steelers did give him a signing bonus of roughly $1 million. I'd be surprised to see the Rooney's throw away $1 million without getting a return on their investment.

                            I'd say that I'd also be surprised to see them cut bait with a former high draft choice so quickly, but as they showed with Bruce Davis, they're not afraid to do so.

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                            • ANPSTEEL
                              Starter
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 888

                              #15
                              Re: What This Draft Tells Us About What the FO Is Thinking

                              Originally posted by papillon
                              Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                              I think that this draft shows us that this team most definitely drafts for value over need.
                              Yup, that's for sure, not one analyst over the weekend said that the Steelers reached for any of their picks. Now, when that value turns into production, it's all good, when it doesn't well, then it isn't so good.

                              The OTAs and training camp are going to be very interesting this year, to be sure.

                              Pappy
                              yep- It appears that they took the players highest on their board for each pick.

                              And unlike the former coaching staff- this one seemingly doesn't give a rip about where you are drafted- ability gets the hat.

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