Maybe Ben isn't as valuable as we think he is...

[feltdizz]

Based on the low interest Ben is receiving in the trade rumors could we be over estimating Ben's worth? Ben is great to us but EVERY other teams fan always say he stinks and it's our defense and team talent that make him look good.

Now we all know how good Ben is in the clutch... but there are also a lot of times when I'm screaming throw the ball when he is pump faking and taking sacks. There are times when the offense looks terrible...

My point is most of the time we bitch and moan about the lack of respect Ben gets as an elite QB...
So why are so many people shocked we aren't getting Peyton or Brees value?

[fezziwig]

Re: Maybe Ben isn't as valuable as we think he is...

Ben would get a kings ransom. When tomorrow will all the rumors end ? After what high draft pick can we stop wondering if a Ben deal will be made ?

[feltdizz]

Re: Maybe Ben isn't as valuable as we think he is...

Ben would get a kings ransom. When tomorrow will all the rumors end ? After what high draft pick can we stop wondering if a Ben deal will be made ?

our SB MVP got us a 5th rounder... and no one thought Holmes was trade bait before his weed bust.

[fezziwig]

Re: Maybe Ben isn't as valuable as we think he is...

What is more difficult to come by, a franchise quaterback or a really good wide receiver ?

[skyhawk]

Re: Maybe Ben isn't as valuable as we think he is...

What is more difficult to come by, a franchise quaterback or a really good wide receiver ?

That's why the Steelers win and the other franchises don't. They would rather be "right" rather than win.

Plus no one likes the Steelers outside the Steeler nation.

[fezziwig]

Re: Maybe Ben isn't as valuable as we think he is...

What is more difficult to come by, a franchise quaterback or a really good wide receiver ?

That's why the Steelers win and the other franchises don't. They would rather be "right" rather than win.

Plus no one likes the Steelers outside the Steeler nation.

Who would rather be right ? The Steelers or other teams ?

[WoodleyofTroy]

Re: Maybe Ben isn't as valuable as we think he is...

This is weird.

[fezziwig]

Re: Maybe Ben isn't as valuable as we think he is...

This is weird.

Why

[papillon]

Re: Maybe Ben isn't as valuable as we think he is...

Based on the low interest Ben is receiving in the trade rumors could we be over estimating Ben's worth? Ben is great to us but EVERY other teams fan always say he stinks and it's our defense and team talent that make him look good.

Now we all know how good Ben is in the clutch... but there are also a lot of times when I'm screaming throw the ball when he is pump faking and taking sacks. There are times when the offense looks terrible...

My point is most of the time we bitch and moan about the lack of respect Ben gets as an elite QB...
So why are so many people shocked we aren't getting Peyton or Brees value?

Ben is as valuable as we believe he is and he adds 2 wins to any team he goes to and gives them a chance to compete. If Ben is traded for anything less than 2-firsts and a proven player someone is getting a steal, like the Jets did. The Steelers aren't getting the offers because of the situation. The Steelers would easily be offered Seattle's 2 firsts this year and possibly one next year under normal circumstances.

The Rooneys are behaving irrationally if you ask me on both accounts, Santonio and Ben. They've never done anything like this before; I'm not sure why they are starting this righteous stuff now.

This is hypocritical to me, Harrison hit his child's mother and threatened her, Spaeth p1sses in public, Reed squares up with a cop defending Spaeth, Ernie Holmes shot at a helicopter with a rifle, Greg Lloyd wasn't a choir boy away from the field and none of these players were even remotely considered in a trade.

Unless Goodell has pictures of Art II in compromising positions I'm not sure why all the support for the commish.

Pappy

[Herewegosteelers!]

Re: Maybe Ben isn't as valuable as we think he is...

It's all Obama's fault! If he wouldn't have made Rooney an ambassador to Ireland, the Steelers wouldn't have traded Santonio or thought about trading Ben because they want to look righteous to Obama! I was being sarcastic but thinking about it, this might have something to do with it, even if a small percentage..

[TallyStiller]

Re: Maybe Ben isn't as valuable as we think he is...

Difference here is the Jets got ONE YEAR of 'Stonio's services... 12 games actually, with exclusive negotiating rights to overpay him ridiculously, based on his likely belief that he's worth Brandon Marshall money.

Ben, on the other hand, is a franchise QB signed for 5 years to a contract that was a hometown discount now being shopped because the romance has soured.

In short, trading Holmes for a 5 was not unreasonable. Ben should bring in a WHOLE lot more, based on peripherals.

[steelblood]

Re: Maybe Ben isn't as valuable as we think he is...

Pap,

I tend to agree with you. However, we are not in the room with the Rooneys, Tomlin and Ben or Tone. We don't know how the organization came to a decision on Tone or Ben (if they indeed have). Just like we can't know what Ben did or didn't do, we can't know what else Ben and Tone have done and how they have interacted with coaches and management. I'm trying not to be too emotional right now because we just don't have enough information to judge.

I still think Ben is going nowhere. But, if he does, I think I'll have to trust that the Rooneys made this decision in collaboration with Colbert and Tomlin. And, that they did so because they felt that Ben gave them the impression that he was not really sorry and/or that he just won't change.

Steelblood

[skyhawk]

Re: Maybe Ben isn't as valuable as we think he is...

What is more difficult to come by, a franchise quaterback or a really good wide receiver ?

That's why the Steelers win and the other franchises don't. They would rather be "right" rather than win.

Plus no one likes the Steelers outside the Steeler nation.

Who would rather be right ? The Steelers or other teams ?

Sorry, they being the other teams. Can always find reasons to not take Ben when he is a clear winner and leader on the field.

[Shawn]

Re: Maybe Ben isn't as valuable as we think he is...

Dizz just when you are starting to seem reasonable you come up with something like this. Ben is worth more than 3 first round draft picks. He is what every team dreams about from a talent stand point. He is the reason we have two more Super Bowl rings.

As for interest around the league...how do you know what the interest level is? You have many reports of many different things...from it's all hogwash...to the Seahawks willing to give up three firsts.

[papillon]

Re: Maybe Ben isn't as valuable as we think he is...

Pap,

I tend to agree with you. However, we are not in the room with the Rooneys, Tomlin and Ben or Tone. We don't know how the organization came to a decision on Tone or Ben (if they indeed have). Just like we can't know what Ben did or didn't do, we can't know what else Ben and Tone have done and how they have interacted with coaches and management. I'm trying not to be too emotional right now because we just don't have enough information to judge.

I still think Ben is going nowhere. But, if he does, I think I'll have to trust that the Rooneys made this decision in collaboration with Colbert and Tomlin. And, that they did so because they felt that Ben gave them the impression that he was not really sorry and/or that he just won't change.

Steelblood

Not being there definitely makes it difficult to determine the reasoning. From the outside looking at the past and the current situation nothing is making sense. The Steelers have had issues with players before for worse conduct than Ben's (IMO) and they have not been this vituperative towards those players. There seems to be a real anger directed at Ben from the team.

Now, maybe he's still being an arrogant jack@ss, well, that would p1ss me off too if I were in their shoes. Without any real information we can only speculate and analyze and this just isn't passing the smell test with me. Something may have been brewuing prior to the incident and this was simply the icing on the cake.

Pappy