OK, all you "trade Ben" people...

[Shawn]

Re: OK, all you "trade Ben" people...

There is no 'fixing' a sociopath.

No treatment options, no counseling options, no meds, nothing.

Now Ben is a sociopath? I'm sure if you looked up the DSM-IV criteria you would find consistencies with a few of the reported "facts" in his cases. But to try and offer that type of diagnosis based on media accounts from 2 impaired and/or duplicitous individuals - all from the comfort of your couch - is at best idiotic.

All it shows is you disliked Roethlisberger prior to these recent situations or you are too quick to judge others. Either way, it's real weak to come on here slinging that kind of crap. It sounds like something you'd see on a Ravens board.

Don't feed the trolls.

[Chadman]

Re: OK, all you "trade Ben" people...

Chadman,

You say that "I hate that the Steelers are viewed with ridicule because of the actions of a few players", and that "I don't WANT to support a Ravens/Bengals type organization. I WANT my Steelers to be more than that". I am in total agreement with you. But then you say that talent outweighs character and the Steelers need to draft Dez Bryant in the first round. That seems very inconsistent to me.

I could be wrong, because I am not Chadman...but I think there may be some sarcasm involved here.

brothervad

You might just be onto something...

[NW Steeler]

Re: OK, all you "trade Ben" people...

Well, this thread bounced off of what I had intended. My main point was that the Steelers are NOT going to get fair value for Ben at this point, so he will not be traded. They aren't just going to give him away to be rid of the whole mess.

[Chadman]

Re: OK, all you "trade Ben" people...

Well, this thread bounced off of what I had intended. My main point was that the Steelers are NOT going to get fair value for Ben at this point, so he will not be traded. They aren't just going to give him away to be rid of the whole mess.

Said right from the beginning that the Steelers would never get what we, as fans, would believe to be market value for Holmes & Ben.

They effectively killed their 'market value' for the Steelers.

[BlackJackGold]

Re: OK, all you "trade Ben" people...

Well, this thread bounced off of what I had intended. My main point was that the Steelers are NOT going to get fair value for Ben at this point, so he will not be traded. They aren't just going to give him away to be rid of the whole mess.

Unfortunately, you are mostly right.

There isn't an owner in the league that will take a chance until they know what his discipline will be.

Then there is the huge contract and risk managemnet to consider on both his personal conduct and life along with his health (concussions).

The Rooney's are in a position that they may not be able to slam dunk a 'morals clause' because he was never even charged let alone convicted.

It sadly appears that fans who want to see justice will have to pray for 'football karma'.

Ya know...

[Flasteel]

Re: OK, all you "trade Ben" people...

Well, this thread bounced off of what I had intended. My main point was that the Steelers are NOT going to get fair value for Ben at this point, so he will not be traded. They aren't just going to give him away to be rid of the whole mess.

Unfortunately, you are mostly right.

There isn't an owner in the league that will take a chance until they know what his discipline will be.

Then there is the huge contract and risk managemnet to consider on both his personal conduct and life along with his health (concussions).

The Rooney's are in a position that they may not be able to slam dunk a 'morals clause' because he was never even charged let alone convicted.

It sadly appears that fans who want to see justice will have to pray for 'football karma'.

Ya know...

Holy shit man. First you call Roethlisberger a sociopath and now you are openly hoping that he is injured?

What's the deal with your Big Ben beef? I mean it seems the vast majority of us are embarrassed by his actions and want to see him held accountable to a much higher standard. But you have taken things up a few notches with your statements in this thread alone.

How can you even come on here and spew this kind of garbage?

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

Re: OK, all you "trade Ben" people...

Well, this thread bounced off of what I had intended. My main point was that the Steelers are NOT going to get fair value for Ben at this point, so he will not be traded. They aren't just going to give him away to be rid of the whole mess.

Unfortunately, you are mostly right.

There isn't an owner in the league that will take a chance until they know what his discipline will be.

Then there is the huge contract and risk managemnet to consider on both his personal conduct and life along with his health (concussions).

The Rooney's are in a position that they may not be able to slam dunk a 'morals clause' because he was never even charged let alone convicted.

It sadly appears that fans who want to see justice will have to pray for 'football karma'.

Ya know...

Holy shit man. First you call Roethlisberger a sociopath and now you are openly hoping that he is injured?

What's the deal with your Big Ben beef? I mean it seems the vast majority of us are embarrassed by his actions and want to see him held accountable to a much higher standard. But you have taken things up a few notches with your statements in this thread alone.

How can you even come on here and spew this kind of garbage?

I wonder if he floats (BJ, not Ben!)?

[buckeyehoppy]

Re: OK, all you "trade Ben" people...

Well, this thread bounced off of what I had intended. My main point was that the Steelers are NOT going to get fair value for Ben at this point, so he will not be traded. They aren't just going to give him away to be rid of the whole mess.

You hit it right there, NWS. The Steelers only got a 5th for Holmes... a LOW 5th, at that. What makes anyone think the Steelers FO could get much more than a rusty bucket of bolts for Benjamin? We think he's worth two 1st Rounders. But we're probably in the miniority.

[JTP53609]

Re: OK, all you "trade Ben" people...

might as well throw us alex smith too if your the 49ers, maybe we could do something with him in addition to the 2 pics....but like mentioned up top, he is worth 2 first round picks talent wise but there is no way any team even the raiders would give us 2 first rounders for him based on his situation and reputation....well maybe the raiders but thats it...

[Dee Dub]

Re: OK, all you "trade Ben" people...

........Can you imagine the fan backlash from another team...say the Rams...if they traded the #1 overall pick (plus some) to the Steelers for Ben?

I'd be willing to bet that back lash wont be worse than what it will be when the Rams are say 0-8 to start next season.

A team like San Francisco is close. They have a descent defense and also some offensive weapons yet no QB. Ben Roethlisberger could put them over the top. Alex Smith or Shaun Hill isnt going too. Think about it.

[BlackJackGold]

Re: OK, all you "trade Ben" people...

All it shows is you disliked Roethlisberger prior to these recent situations or you are too quick to judge others. Either way, it's real weak to come on here slinging that kind of crap. It sounds like something you'd see on a Ravens board.

If I disliked the drama mamma before then I wouldn't have owned an autographed helmet, SB XLIII jersey and a few other pieces of memorabilia.

Granted, I thought he was dumb, but that was before he showed me he was pathological and acted as a sociopath does.

You can love him all ya want.

Just don't expect many outside the fanatic fans to respect ya for it.

Or many in that same fan base for that matter.....

[BlackJackGold]

Re: OK, all you "trade Ben" people...

There is no 'fixing' a sociopath.

No treatment options, no counseling options, no meds, nothing.

Now Ben is a sociopath? I'm sure if you looked up the DSM-IV criteria you would find consistencies with a few of the reported "facts" in his cases. But to try and offer that type of diagnosis based on media accounts from 2 impaired and/or duplicitous individuals - all from the comfort of your couch - is at best idiotic.

All it shows is you disliked Roethlisberger prior to these recent situations or you are too quick to judge others. Either way, it's real weak to come on here slinging that kind of crap. It sounds like something you'd see on a Ravens board.

Don't feed the trolls.

Shawn wants to have my baby.

[SS Laser]

Re: OK, all you "trade Ben" people...

All it shows is you disliked Roethlisberger prior to these recent situations or you are too quick to judge others. Either way, it's real weak to come on here slinging that kind of crap. It sounds like something you'd see on a Ravens board.

If I disliked the drama mamma before then I wouldn't have owned an autographed helmet, SB XLIII jersey and a few other pieces of memorabilia.

Granted, I thought he was dumb, but that was before he showed me he was pathological and acted as a sociopath does.

You can love him all ya want.

Just don't expect many outside the fanatic fans to respect ya for it.

Or many in that same fan base for that matter.....

Wonder how many people will be pizzed when I show up at training camp in Ben's jersey?