For all those talking trade

[drprwnap]

GET AN EFFIN GRIP! I have became a Steeler fan when we drafted Ham and Harris in the early 70's. I've watched this franchise go from a laughing sock to elite. One of the main parts was the QB position. Terry developed into one of THE best big game QB in NFL history. After he retired, I SUFFERED thru the Bubby Bristers, Mark Malones, Todd Blackledges, and Kordell Stewards. I've watched teams in the 80's that were good enough to go deep into the playoffs but didn't because of one position - QB! Then along comes Ben and leads to not one but TWO Super Bowls in his first 5 years.
Is he perfect? Far from it!
Has he made some VERY bad decisions-YES.
Has he been convicted of a crime- NO, NO, NO.
Should he be punished for the good of the team (and the NFL)-Yes. I say counseling and a 2 game suspension. In fact, I think the league will send him to counseling and the Steelers will suspend him.
Should he be traded--NO, NO, NO,NO.
Let's all calm down and see how Ben handles himself during the rest of this mess before you all start yelling TRADE!

[DukieBoy]

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GET AN EFFIN GRIP! I have became a Steeler fan when we drafted Ham and Harris in the early 70's. I've watched this franchise go from a laughing sock to elite. One of the main parts was the QB position. Terry developed into one of THE best big game QB in NFL history. After he retired, I SUFFERED thru the Bubby Bristers, Mark Malones, Todd Blackledges, and Kordell Stewards. I've watched teams in the 80's that were good enough to go deep into the playoffs but didn't because of one position - QB! Then along comes Ben and leads to not one but TWO Super Bowls in his first 5 years.
Is he perfect? Far from it!
Has he made some VERY bad decisions-YES.
Has he been convicted of a crime- NO, NO, NO.
Should he be punished for the good of the team (and the NFL)-Yes. I say counseling and a 2 game suspension. In fact, I think the league will send him to counseling and the Steelers will suspend him.
Should he be traded--NO, NO, NO,NO.
Let's all calm down and see how Ben handles himself during the rest of this mess before you all start yelling TRADE!

Agree here, from a Steeler fan since 1960. Trade - NO WAY! Discipline - Absolutely YES. The way I perceive it, as Ben has shown a lack of internal motivation or control to manage within expectations, external motivation and control must be applied, or his off-field behavior is less likely to change. Right now, to me, he's a jerk. I'd like to admire him again, but that will take change from him and time to prove the change.

[steelblood]

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people can call for whatever they want. for some, having a jerk for a QB is no big deal, for some he really hasn't done anything wrong, and for some, he appears to be a sexual predator and they don't want him to be the face of their franchise.

me? i just don't know. if he goes, there is no way we win the super bowl any time soon.

[stlrz d]

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GET AN EFFIN GRIP! I have became a Steeler fan when we drafted Ham and Harris in the early 70's. I've watched this franchise go from a laughing sock to elite. One of the main parts was the QB position. Terry developed into one of THE best big game QB in NFL history. After he retired, I SUFFERED thru the Bubby Bristers, Mark Malones, Todd Blackledges, and Kordell Stewards. I've watched teams in the 80's that were good enough to go deep into the playoffs but didn't because of one position - QB! Then along comes Ben and leads to not one but TWO Super Bowls in his first 5 years.
Is he perfect? Far from it!
Has he made some VERY bad decisions-YES.
Has he been convicted of a crime- NO, NO, NO.
Should he be punished for the good of the team (and the NFL)-Yes. I say counseling and a 2 game suspension. In fact, I think the league will send him to counseling and the Steelers will suspend him.
Should he be traded--NO, NO, NO,NO.
Let's all calm down and see how Ben handles himself during the rest of this mess before you all start yelling TRADE!

Stop ramming it in people's faces.

[Jooser]

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I've seen nothing from the ownership or FO that leads me to believe they are ready to trade Ben away. I don't think that it'll happen. It would shock me to no ends if it did. I'm not condoning his antics, but I'm not ready to ship him off to another team either. This year will be a very telling one in terms of his opportunity to get the message and grow up.

[Oviedo]

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GET AN EFFIN GRIP! I have became a Steeler fan when we drafted Ham and Harris in the early 70's. I've watched this franchise go from a laughing sock to elite. One of the main parts was the QB position. Terry developed into one of THE best big game QB in NFL history. After he retired, I SUFFERED thru the Bubby Bristers, Mark Malones, Todd Blackledges, and Kordell Stewards. I've watched teams in the 80's that were good enough to go deep into the playoffs but didn't because of one position - QB! Then along comes Ben and leads to not one but TWO Super Bowls in his first 5 years.
Is he perfect? Far from it!
Has he made some VERY bad decisions-YES.
Has he been convicted of a crime- NO, NO, NO.
Should he be punished for the good of the team (and the NFL)-Yes. I say counseling and a 2 game suspension. In fact, I think the league will send him to counseling and the Steelers will suspend him.
Should he be traded--NO, NO, NO,NO.
Let's all calm down and see how Ben handles himself during the rest of this mess before you all start yelling TRADE!

Agree here, from a Steeler fan since 1960. Trade - NO WAY! Discipline - Absolutely YES. The way I perceive it, as Ben has shown a lack of internal motivation or control to manage within expectations, external motivation and control must be applied, or his off-field behavior is less likely to change. Right now, to me, he's a jerk. I'd like to admire him again, but that will take change from him and time to prove the change.

Fan sonce the early 70s and totally agree. It took us 25 years to get a legit QB after Bradshaw left. I'd rather give Ben a chance at redemption that emotionally throw him out because of what is really perception and accusation. He should be punished as pointed out and he should be given very strict expectations and then its up to him. If he screws up again then release the hounds of hell on his butt.

I agree with with DB. Ben is a jerk who need to get a cgrip on reality and what a privelege he has been given. His boorish behavior has to stop. Only he can do that. Hopefully the message has gotten through and we see a better person evolve moving forward.

[Northern_Blitz]

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Has he been convicted of a crime- NO, NO, NO.

One NO for every accusation of assault.

I don't think I'd trade him, but as long as we got a good return (more than 2 x 1st) and sent him to the NFC, I'd be OK with it if that was the decision.

[papillon]

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Fan since 1969 and I'm fine with either scenario. I would prefer that Ben get some counseling (and while he's at it a bit of fashion advice) and remain a Steeler. If the Steelers see fit to trade him and get a good return, I'll be okay with that, but not happy about it.

Pappy

[AngryAsian]

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Fan since 1969 and I'm fine with either scenario. I would prefer that Ben get some counseling (and while he's at it a bit of fashion advice) and remain a Steeler. If the Steelers see fit to trade him and get a good return, I'll be okay with that, but not happy about it.

Pappy

Fan since I came off the boat in 73'. I am with you on your sentiments, Pap. I don't think its a stretch to ask for some kind of good behavior from the guy whose numbered jersey your children wear.

[ramblinjim]

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Been a fan since the late 70's and I love my Steelers. I also remember Cliff Stoudt, Mark Malone, Bubby, Mike Tomczak, Kordell, Kent Graham......and I don't look forward to going back to those days either.

[Chadman]

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Hmm....Chadman wonders how many of you would be howling for someone's head to roll if they were a player from another franchise?

Say for example, the 'murderer' Ray Lewis.

Come on, let's be honest- how many of you think of Lewis as a murderer? How many of you have thought- he got away with one? If nobody puts their hand up, Chadman will call liar, because there has been numerous occasions where we have often put the boot in on Ray.

How many of you have said or thought- glad I don't support the Ravens/Bengals? How many will admit it's because those organisations have a number of players on their roster with questionable character?

How many of you have said- the Steelers don't draft players with bad character? Or have thought that the Steelers 'do things better'? Chadman sure as hell has.

So, here's the point- Do we 'want' to be one of those teams? A Bengals/Ravens, low character, dubious ethics, letting player indescretions slide if it means the team is, somehow, better?

Or do you want to be better than that?

Do you want that fabled franchise that 'does things better'? Because Chadman can assure you, the Rooneys want that. It's the image they want the Steelers to portray- a higher class organisation.

Now, if we can still call Ray a 'murderer', even though he wasn't charged, and therefore we can use Ray Lewis as the beacon that shows the Ravens to be a low-class organisation- why can't fans of every other team do the same with Ben?

And if they can do that- how can the Steelers ever be viewed as a higher class organisation?

So, here's the thing. We can all stand here & say- we should give Ben another chance, and pretend that we believe he is innocent, and that the Steelers are still a class organisation.

OR...we can demand that the Steelers ARE a class organisation, and not allow their roster to be infested with players who have poor, embarrasing morals & behaviour.

We can't have it both ways- you either want to support 'the Steeler way', or you support 'winning at all costs'.

Fact is, if you support 'the Steeler way', you know in your heart that Ben should go the way of Santonio, and that Reed should be packing up too.

And if you don't feel that way- if you feel that trading a player of the calibre of Ben would result in too many poor seasons for your little heart to endure- then Chadman sure hopes you are not one of the stone throwers who live in those damn glass houses..

[AngryAsian]

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Hmm....Chadman wonders how many of you would be howling for someone's head to roll if they were a player from another franchise?

Say for example, the 'murderer' Ray Lewis.

Come on, let's be honest- how many of you think of Lewis as a murderer? How many of you have thought- he got away with one? If nobody puts their hand up, Chadman will call liar, because there has been numerous occasions where we have often put the boot in on Ray.

How many of you have said or thought- glad I don't support the Ravens/Bengals? How many will admit it's because those organisations have a number of players on their roster with questionable character?

How many of you have said- the Steelers don't draft players with bad character? Or have thought that the Steelers 'do things better'? Chadman sure as hell has.

So, here's the point- Do we 'want' to be one of those teams? A Bengals/Ravens, low character, dubious ethics, letting player indescretions slide if it means the team is, somehow, better?

Or do you want to be better than that?

Do you want that fabled franchise that 'does things better'? Because Chadman can assure you, the Rooneys want that. It's the image they want the Steelers to portray- a higher class organisation.

Now, if we can still call Ray a 'murderer', even though he wasn't charged, and therefore we can use Ray Lewis as the beacon that shows the Ravens to be a low-class organisation- why can't fans of every other team do the same with Ben?

And if they can do that- how can the Steelers ever be viewed as a higher class organisation?

So, here's the thing. We can all stand here & say- we should give Ben another chance, and pretend that we believe he is innocent, and that the Steelers are still a class organisation.

OR...we can demand that the Steelers ARE a class organisation, and not allow their roster to be infested with players who have poor, embarrasing morals & behaviour.

We can't have it both ways- you either want to support 'the Steeler way', or you support 'winning at all costs'.

Fact is, if you support 'the Steeler way', you know in your heart that Ben should go the way of Santonio, and that Reed should be packing up too.

And if you don't feel that way- if you feel that trading a player of the calibre of Ben would result in too many poor seasons for your little heart to endure- then Chadman sure hopes you are not one of the stone throwers who live in those damn glass houses..

Sorry to break one of the rules.... FUCKING POST OF THE OFF-SEASON. This higher standard is the hallmark of the franchise. Surely nothing wrong in expecting the idealistic cornerstones that's the foundation of this organization.

[Sugar]

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If that's what you feel the "Steeler Way" is than, no, I wouldn't support that at all. Fortunately I don't see that as the Steeler way.

In fact, IMO, the Steeler Way means supporting your own in the face of spurrious accusations. Now if you're busted with 5 kilos of illegal drugs in your car that's different. The Steeler Way means hard work and being a good team member. It means never giving up on plays or games. It means winning championships with brutal Defense.

Would I trade any player for the good of the team? Sure. There's not a team in the league willing to give us what Ben would be worth, so for that reason- no chance!

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

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Just a comment...

We as fans have our own agenda when it comes to the Steelers. I don't think Ben will be traded if he changes his lifestyle. However, there will be no tolerance by the Rooneys. They find out he was out partying one time, I have confidence in saying that the Rooneys will view that as a step in the same direction. He is at that point. He doesn't have a pass anymore. He will then be moved. He will be suspended by the Rooney's if the league doesn't suspend him for this last allegation. Any fight, wrong words, bad teammate, anything...He will be moved. Peter King said on Sirius this morning that Dan Rooney was at a function yesterday receiving an award. He was asked if the Steelers organization supports Roethlisberger....His answer, "I'm not making any comment on that." Some of you tend to forget there is an "Old School" owner pulling the strings. Don't be surprised by anything that happens from this point forward. Prepare yourself. It is all in the hands of an adolescent millionare who might have a drinking problem and is out of strikes. You tell me what those odds are. Ben had to mature 10 years by Monday 4/12/2010. I don't know if that happen.

I for one, do not want to see Ben traded. I want to believe he will do a "180" and start all over and get himself right. BUT...The Steelers were just diagnosed with cancer. That is about "To the point" you could be on the matter. I hope my heart is right and my head is wrong on this one!!!

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SO...That being said...If the owner of the Steelers has "no comment" in the media if he will support Roethlisberger...I feel the same way. I'm a Steeler fan first. I see black & gold before I see the name across the back!!!

[Djfan]

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OK Third Person Man, you got me. The logic is too solid for me to argue.

But, I have this caveat to add before I jump in that boat: Let's have it all wash out first. By that I mean that we have only heard one side from hidden accusers. I am still not settled about the idea that a VERY drunk girl who is willing to disregard rule of law to get there, had a fake ID taken away shortly before the incident, and who changed the story a couple of times, can hold his guilty or innocent status. Same argument with McNulty and the third myterious accuser.

Flush that out and I am in that boat.