Drafting a center...

[WoodleyofTroy]

Re: Drafting a center...

Simple question: Is Pouncey so good that he deserves to be drafted higher than any Center selected this decade?

Simple answer: Not even close!!!!

Maurkice Pouncey, C, Florida
6-4 ½, 304
Has speed and toughness. Played in the Sugar Bowl just hours after treatment for kidney stones. Very smart. Has lots of experience as a shotgun center. Maybe the best center prospect in 10 years.

[Chucktownsteeler]

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I went back as far as 1950 and I don't think the Steelers have ever selected a center in Round 1.

[birtikidis]

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I went back as far as 1950 and I don't think the Steelers have ever selected a center in Round 1.

so do you think that just since we hadn't drafted a center in the first round that we never should? that's very short sighted. you know, until ben we hadn't selected a qb in over 30 years.. maybe we should have just never drafted another qb that high ever again.

[Shawn]

Re: Drafting a center...

Simple question: Is Pouncey so good that he deserves to be drafted higher than any Center selected this decade?

Simple answer: Not even close!!!!

Maurkice Pouncey, C, Florida
6-4 ½, 304
Has speed and toughness. Played in the Sugar Bowl just hours after treatment for kidney stones. Very smart. Has lots of experience as a shotgun center. Maybe the best center prospect in 10 years.

I guess the answer is yes. Pouncey is really that good.

[Chucktownsteeler]

Re: Drafting a center...

I went back as far as 1950 and I don't think the Steelers have ever selected a center in Round 1.

so do you think that just since we hadn't drafted a center in the first round that we never should? that's very short sighted. you know, until ben we hadn't selected a qb in over 30 years.. maybe we should have just never drafted another qb that high ever again.

It was more an observation than an idictment on Pouncey. No short-sightness meant. But then I read your signature and see were you are coming from. You're a Gator fan.

Maybe we should draft Tim Tebow.

C-town

[birtikidis]

Re: Drafting a center...

I went back as far as 1950 and I don't think the Steelers have ever selected a center in Round 1.

so do you think that just since we hadn't drafted a center in the first round that we never should? that's very short sighted. you know, until ben we hadn't selected a qb in over 30 years.. maybe we should have just never drafted another qb that high ever again.

It was more an observation than an idictment on Pouncey. No short-sightness meant. But then I read your signature and see were you are coming from. You're a Gator fan.

Maybe we should draft Tim Tebow.

C-town

I'm definetly a gator fan. I've watched pouncey for 3 years. he's a stud.
plus I hate ohio state (i grew up a michigan fan).
I'm more of a "fan" of college football. i don't like any one particular team more than others. i follow a team from every conference.
I would say I'm a fanatic when it come to the steelers though!
and no, I wouldn't draft Tebow.. though I would love to have his charecter, work ethic, and humbleness on our team.

[Shawn]

Re: Drafting a center...

I went back as far as 1950 and I don't think the Steelers have ever selected a center in Round 1.

so do you think that just since we hadn't drafted a center in the first round that we never should? that's very short sighted. you know, until ben we hadn't selected a qb in over 30 years.. maybe we should have just never drafted another qb that high ever again.

It was more an observation than an idictment on Pouncey. No short-sightness meant. But then I read your signature and see were you are coming from. You're a Gator fan.

Maybe we should draft Tim Tebow.

C-town

I despise everything Gator and think Pouncey is a stud.

[birtikidis]

Re: Drafting a center...

I went back as far as 1950 and I don't think the Steelers have ever selected a center in Round 1.

so do you think that just since we hadn't drafted a center in the first round that we never should? that's very short sighted. you know, until ben we hadn't selected a qb in over 30 years.. maybe we should have just never drafted another qb that high ever again.

It was more an observation than an idictment on Pouncey. No short-sightness meant. But then I read your signature and see were you are coming from. You're a Gator fan.

Maybe we should draft Tim Tebow.

C-town

I despise everything Gator and think Pouncey is a stud.

talk about a great year... beating sOSU in both football and basketball for a national championship AND winning the superbowl.. awesome!

[Steel Life]

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There's no debate - it is weak OC class this year. And Pouncey is not demonstrably better than either Mack or Unger last year. There's nothing about Pouncey that jumps out dramatically to separate him from the other OC candidates...

Pouncey - 6'5", 305, Arms: 32.5, Hands: 10
Bench: 24 / 40: 5.25 / 10-Split: 1.78 / Shuttle: 4.92 / Cone: 7.74 / Broad: 7'11" / Vert: 27

Tennant - 6'5", 300, Arms: 32.25, Hands: 9.5
Bench: 27 / 40: 5.15 / 10-Split: 1.76 / Shuttle: 4.62 / Cone: 7.60 / Broad: 8'2" / Vert: 25

Walton - 6'3", 300, Arms: 33.375, Hands: 9.25
Bench: 24 / 40: 5.19 / 10-Split: 1.80 / Shuttle: 4.69 / Cone: 7.60 / Broad: 8'5" / Vert: 27

Joe Hawley (UNLV - Rnd. 6-7) - 6'3", 297, Arms: 33.125, Hands: 10.625
Bench: 35 / 40: 5.21 / 10-Split: 1.78 / Shuttle: 4.73 / Cone: 7.50 / Broad: 8'9" / Vert: 26

...Looking at this, I'm curious as to why everyone says he's clearly better. Matter of fact, if you're a believer in the KEI scouting method, then you see that Hawley is a better prospect than Pouncey.

[NJ-STEELER]

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I went back as far as 1950 and I don't think the Steelers have ever selected a center in Round 1.

is this Ed bouchette?

[birtikidis]

Re: Drafting a center...

There's no debate - it is weak OC class this year. And Pouncey is not demonstrably better than either Mack or Unger last year. There's nothing about Pouncey that jumps out dramatically to separate him from the other OC candidates...

Pouncey - 6'5", 305, Arms: 32.5, Hands: 10
Bench: 24 / 40: 5.25 / 10-Split: 1.78 / Shuttle: 4.92 / Cone: 7.74 / Broad: 7'11" / Vert: 27

Tennant - 6'5", 300, Arms: 32.25, Hands: 9.5
Bench: 27 / 40: 5.15 / 10-Split: 1.76 / Shuttle: 4.62 / Cone: 7.60 / Broad: 8'2" / Vert: 25

Walton - 6'3", 300, Arms: 33.375, Hands: 9.25
Bench: 24 / 40: 5.19 / 10-Split: 1.80 / Shuttle: 4.69 / Cone: 7.60 / Broad: 8'5" / Vert: 27

Joe Hawley (UNLV - Rnd. 6-7) - 6'3", 297, Arms: 33.125, Hands: 10.625
Bench: 35 / 40: 5.21 / 10-Split: 1.78 / Shuttle: 4.73 / Cone: 7.50 / Broad: 8'9" / Vert: 26

...Looking at this, I'm curious as to why everyone says he's clearly better. Matter of fact, if you're a believer in the KEI scouting method, then you see that Hawley is a better prospect than Pouncey.

umm maybe it's because measurable aren't everything. I'll bet macks measurables were as good as Dawsons. but who would you rather have?
how about looking at it this way, other than pouncey and his brother, who do the gators have on the O-line. I dn't even know and i'm a gator fan. but we still rushed for over 3,000 yards last season with out a stud running back.

[Flasteel]

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on another board i asked a fellow who really keys in on the OL play about tennant.

he said "he's worse then Mahan"

ouch

I honestly believe that Pouncey will be the next Dirt Dawson...
but if Earl Thomas is there... he'd be my pick...

Haden, Thomas, then Pouncey. I'm right there with you man. Hopefully we'll have a shot to pull the trigger on one of these 3.

[pfelix73]

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I just love all this crap on here leading up to the draft.. we need to take score afterwards on who was right and who was wrong.

[Steel Life]

Re: Drafting a center...

There's no debate - it is weak OC class this year. And Pouncey is not demonstrably better than either Mack or Unger last year. There's nothing about Pouncey that jumps out dramatically to separate him from the other OC candidates...

Pouncey - 6'5", 305, Arms: 32.5, Hands: 10
Bench: 24 / 40: 5.25 / 10-Split: 1.78 / Shuttle: 4.92 / Cone: 7.74 / Broad: 7'11" / Vert: 27

Tennant - 6'5", 300, Arms: 32.25, Hands: 9.5
Bench: 27 / 40: 5.15 / 10-Split: 1.76 / Shuttle: 4.62 / Cone: 7.60 / Broad: 8'2" / Vert: 25

Walton - 6'3", 300, Arms: 33.375, Hands: 9.25
Bench: 24 / 40: 5.19 / 10-Split: 1.80 / Shuttle: 4.69 / Cone: 7.60 / Broad: 8'5" / Vert: 27

Joe Hawley (UNLV - Rnd. 6-7) - 6'3", 297, Arms: 33.125, Hands: 10.625
Bench: 35 / 40: 5.21 / 10-Split: 1.78 / Shuttle: 4.73 / Cone: 7.50 / Broad: 8'9" / Vert: 26

...Looking at this, I'm curious as to why everyone says he's clearly better. Matter of fact, if you're a believer in the KEI scouting method, then you see that Hawley is a better prospect than Pouncey.

umm maybe it's because measurable aren't everything. I'll bet macks measurables were as good as Dawsons. but who would you rather have?
how about looking at it this way, other than pouncey and his brother, who do the gators have on the O-line. I don't even know and i'm a gator fan. but we still rushed for over 3,000 yards last season with out a stud running back.

I know what you're saying, but I (& other Florida resident Oveido) just don't feel he's THAT dominant. He plays in a spread offense where the splits are wider & forces the D-Linemen to spread out - opening lanes for the O-Linemen & RBs. Plus...Tebow's yards are thrown in there & those are variables when evaluating the line's efficiency. As for the KEI numbers, they certainly don't tell the whole story but they're pretty reliable. What I'm saying is that he's not the sure-fire player some would believe & don't forget that good linemen can be found in later rounds too.

[birtikidis]

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[quote=Steel Life]

There's no debate - it is weak OC class this year. And Pouncey is not demonstrably better than either Mack or Unger last year. There's nothing about Pouncey that jumps out dramatically to separate him from the other OC candidates...

Pouncey - 6'5", 305, Arms: 32.5, Hands: 10
Bench: 24 / 40: 5.25 / 10-Split: 1.78 / Shuttle: 4.92 / Cone: 7.74 / Broad: 7'11" / Vert: 27

Tennant - 6'5", 300, Arms: 32.25, Hands: 9.5
Bench: 27 / 40: 5.15 / 10-Split: 1.76 / Shuttle: 4.62 / Cone: 7.60 / Broad: 8'2" / Vert: 25

Walton - 6'3", 300, Arms: 33.375, Hands: 9.25
Bench: 24 / 40: 5.19 / 10-Split: 1.80 / Shuttle: 4.69 / Cone: 7.60 / Broad: 8'5" / Vert: 27

Joe Hawley (UNLV - Rnd. 6-7) - 6'3", 297, Arms: 33.125, Hands: 10.625
Bench: 35 / 40: 5.21 / 10-Split: 1.78 / Shuttle: 4.73 / Cone: 7.50 / Broad: 8'9" / Vert: 26

...Looking at this, I'm curious as to why everyone says he's clearly better. Matter of fact, if you're a believer in the KEI scouting method, then you see that Hawley is a better prospect than Pouncey.

umm maybe it's because measurable aren't everything. I'll bet macks measurables were as good as Dawsons. but who would you rather have?
how about looking at it this way, other than pouncey and his brother, who do the gators have on the O-line. I don't even know and i'm a gator fan. but we still rushed for over 3,000 yards last season with out a stud running back.

I know what you're saying, but I (& other Florida resident Oveido) just don't feel he's THAT dominant. He plays in a spread offense where the splits are wider & forces the D-Linemen to spread out - opening lanes for the O-Linemen & RBs. Plus...Tebow's yards are thrown in there & those are variables when evaluating the line's efficiency. As for the KEI numbers, they certainly don't tell the whole story but they're pretty reliable. What I'm saying is that he's not the sure-fire player some would believe & don't forget that good linemen can be found in later rounds too.[/quote:3np9xgz3]
keep telling yourself that last part and you'll keep seeing Essex, Hartwig and the like starting...