Steelers bring in Dez Bryant and Golden Tate

[Dee Dub]

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Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?????

[PSU_dropout43]

Re: Steelers bring in Dez Bryant and Golden Tate

bye bye holmes.

[ikestops85]

Re: Steelers bring in Dez Bryant and Golden Tate

bye bye holmes.

Hello Limas

[ANPSTEEL]

Re: Steelers bring in Dez Bryant and Golden Tate

bye bye holmes.

I think there is a pretty good chance you see Holmes involved in a draft day trade.

This does 3 things for them.

1. they get something for him v. nothing, and no longer have to be concerned about the prima donna contract he is going to want.
2. they avoid having to deal with whatever issue is pending- and put forward the "we dont behave like that here" message.
3. eliminate any possible league/union/media scrutiny about disparity in response/punishment of two players- Ben/Holmes.

[papillon]

Re: Steelers bring in Dez Bryant and Golden Tate

Smokescreen...

Not drafting a WR high in this draft, IMO

Pappy

[Dee Dub]

Re: Steelers bring in Dez Bryant and Golden Tate

bye bye holmes.

I think there is a pretty good chance you see Holmes involved in a draft day trade.

This does 3 things for them.

1. they get something for him v. nothing, and no longer have to be concerned about the prima donna contract he is going to want.
2. they avoid having to deal with whatever issue is pending- and put forward the "we dont behave like that here" message.
3. eliminate any possible league/union/media scrutiny about disparity in response/punishment of two players- Ben/Holmes.

Agreed!!! And at this stage (entering the draft),...honestly...who is a higher rate WR? I think both Bryant and Tate are. I personally think Bryant is a future problem himself and would touch him but Tate is very intriguing. Especially if it can be done with a trade down.

[Shawn]

Re: Steelers bring in Dez Bryant and Golden Tate

bye bye holmes.

I think there is a pretty good chance you see Holmes involved in a draft day trade.

This does 3 things for them.

1. they get something for him v. nothing, and no longer have to be concerned about the prima donna contract he is going to want.
2. they avoid having to deal with whatever issue is pending- and put forward the "we dont behave like that here" message.
3. eliminate any possible league/union/media scrutiny about disparity in response/punishment of two players- Ben/Holmes.

They wouldn't get "nothing"...they would get a third in compensation.

Second Dez Bryant? Are they serious? Why not bring in Pacman Jones for a spin at DB while they are at it? Bryant for Holmes is a vertical move on the douchebag meter. They both have issues. Bryant is rumored to be highly immature...will need a full time baby sitter just to make practice.

I really like Golden but I don't think the Steelers will take him at 18. I would be ok if we brought him in...but not at 18. I wonder if they will move down and use the Holmes pick which would likely be a mid second rounder to get two late firsts. If that happened they still might be able to grab Pouncey and Golden Tate. I would be very happy with those selections. However, I am not happy with trading Holmes. I know he is bad press but the guy can play...it's not like he is out shooting people.

[ANPSTEEL]

Re: Steelers bring in Dez Bryant and Golden Tate

[quote=Dee Dub]

bye bye holmes.

I think there is a pretty good chance you see Holmes involved in a draft day trade.

This does 3 things for them.

1. they get something for him v. nothing, and no longer have to be concerned about the prima donna contract he is going to want.
2. they avoid having to deal with whatever issue is pending- and put forward the "we dont behave like that here" message.
3. eliminate any possible league/union/media scrutiny about disparity in response/punishment of two players- Ben/Holmes.

Agreed!!! And at this stage (entering the draft),...honestly...who is a higher rate WR? I think both Bryant and Tate are. I personally think Bryant is a future problem himself and would touch him but Tate is very intriguing. Especially if it can be done with a trade down.[/quote:38eaimlf]

I don't know that they'd take a WR early- unless they are able to get a 2nd or 3rd for Holmes. (i think you'd more likely see Holmes coupled with a pick to move up- and a conditional pick next year based upon productivity.)

I think the team is OK with moving forward this season w/o Holmes.
They use Holmes to move up in the 2nd- get a conditional pick next season... see how Sweed pans out this year.

or maybe- just maybe- they grab Benn in the 2nd using the above strategy.

I guess we'll find out in a couple weeks.

[Dee Dub]

Re: Steelers bring in Dez Bryant and Golden Tate

They wouldn't get "nothing"...they would get a third in compensation.

When have the Steelers ever gotten a 3rd for any player in compensation?

Let's say they do..thats soemwhere around the 93rd to 95th pick. Why not trade him for someones 3rd round pick? and gain maybe some 15-20 spots in the draft.

[calmkiller]

Re: Steelers bring in Dez Bryant and Golden Tate

They wouldn't get "nothing"...they would get a third in compensation.

When have the Steelers ever gotten a 3rd for any player in compensation?

Let's say they do..thats soemwhere around the 93rd to 95th pick. Why not trade him for someones 3rd round pick? and gain maybe some 15-20 spots in the draft.

But Comp picks are based on what you gain vs what you lose. He would be a loss vs what you gain next year. So you can't just say we will get a 5th. Next year we won't get any picks for Parker because we brought in Allen, Battle, ARE, and whoever else.

[ANPSTEEL]

Re: Steelers bring in Dez Bryant and Golden Tate

They wouldn't get "nothing"...they would get a third in compensation.

When have the Steelers ever gotten a 3rd for any player in compensation?

Let's say they do..thats soemwhere around the 93rd to 95th pick. Why not trade him for someones 3rd round pick? and gain maybe some 15-20 spots in the draft.

But Comp picks are based on what you gain vs what you lose. He would be a lose vs what you gain next year. So you can't just say we will get a 5th. Next year we won't get any picks for Parker because we brought in Allen, Battle, ARE, and whoever else.

exactly-

plus, that would be a pick 3 drafts from now- 2012 - assuming the CBA issues are resolved.

[Mister Pittsburgh]

Re: Steelers bring in Dez Bryant and Golden Tate

They wouldn't get "nothing"...they would get a third in compensation.

When have the Steelers ever gotten a 3rd for any player in compensation?

Let's say they do..thats soemwhere around the 93rd to 95th pick. Why not trade him for someones 3rd round pick? and gain maybe some 15-20 spots in the draft.

But Comp picks are based on what you gain vs what you lose. He would be a lose vs what you gain next year. So you can't just say we will get a 5th. Next year we won't get any picks for Parker because we brought in Allen, Battle, ARE, and whoever else.

exactly-

plus, that would be a pick 3 drafts from now- 2012 - assuming the CBA issues are resolved.

Not sure if I am misreading what your intent is here, but there is a draft in 2011 even if there is a lockout....pretty sure anyway...

[calmkiller]

Re: Steelers bring in Dez Bryant and Golden Tate

Not sure if I am misreading what your intent is here, but there is a draft in 2011 even if there is a lockout....pretty sure anyway...

There is a draft in 2011 yes. But Holmes would not net us a pick until the 2012 draft which is 3 drafts away. This year's, 2011's in which Holmes would be playing for his new FA team. That's the year the Playing time the player receives with the new team is factored into the calculations for comp picks. Then we would receive the pick in the 2012 draft. Holmes is still under contract this year. So he wouldn't be a FA until 2011.

[ANPSTEEL]

Re: Steelers bring in Dez Bryant and Golden Tate

Not sure if I am misreading what your intent is here, but there is a draft in 2011 even if there is a lockout....pretty sure anyway...

There is a draft in 2011 yes. But Holmes would not net us a pick until the 2012 draft which is 3 drafts away. This year's, 2011's in which Holmes would be playing for his new FA team. That's the year the Playing time the player receives with the new team is factored into the calculations for comp picks. Then we would receive the pick in the 2012 draft. Holmes is still under contract this year. So he wouldn't be a FA until 2011.

Yeah, that is what I was trying to convey.

My comment regarding the CBA issue- was the whole "up in the air" aspect. Who knows what is going to happen, or how it will shake out.

[ramblinjim]

Re: Steelers bring in Dez Bryant and Golden Tate

Interesting scenario: We trade Holmes to the Red Skins to give McNabb someone to throw the ball to and our 18 spot for their 4 spot. Then we draft "a boy named" Suh for Dline... Or McCoy or the LT from OSU.