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  • SanAntonioSteelerFan
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 8361

    #16
    Re: Got a sinking feeling about the 18th pick.

    Does it really impact who another team chooses if it's well known who we want? I'd think the other team would choose the best for them, not to deprive us of ours.

    The flip side of that - we don't pick ours to mess up teams that choose after us, so why would we think other teams would do that to us?


    We got our "6-PACK" - time to work on a CASE!

    HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!

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    • Oviedo
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 23824

      #17
      Re: Got a sinking feeling about the 18th pick.

      Originally posted by SanAntonioSteelerFan
      Does it really impact who another team chooses if it's well known who we want? I'd think the other team would choose the best for them, not to deprive us of ours.

      The flip side of that - we don't pick ours to mess up teams that choose after us, so why would we think other teams would do that to us?
      Team don't likely adjust their boards based on us. Putting out who we are "interested" in does however form the basis for a trade up or down as we may mention a player who a team that drafts after us is very high on.

      There is so much misinformation that goes on here that anyone who thinks the Steelers are giving away valuable information taht will hurt the team is only fooling themselves or more likely just feeding their established prejudices with regards to the organization.
      "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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      • papillon
        Legend
        • Mar 2008
        • 11340

        #18
        Re: Got a sinking feeling about the 18th pick.

        Originally posted by Oviedo
        Originally posted by SanAntonioSteelerFan
        Does it really impact who another team chooses if it's well known who we want? I'd think the other team would choose the best for them, not to deprive us of ours.

        The flip side of that - we don't pick ours to mess up teams that choose after us, so why would we think other teams would do that to us?
        Team don't likely adjust their boards based on us. Putting out who we are "interested" in does however form the basis for a trade up or down as we may mention a player who a team that drafts after us is very high on.

        There is so much misinformation that goes on here that anyone who thinks the Steelers are giving away valuable information taht will hurt the team is only fooling themselves or more likely just feeding their established prejudices with regards to the organization.
        What the Steelers do has no bearing on the teams in front of us, but, I'm sure the teams behind us monitor who the Steelers are interested in and make a move if necessary. It's not just the Steelers they monitor it's any team that may have plans on drafting a guy they really like before he gets to them.

        Pappy
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        The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft

        1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
        3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
        3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
        4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
        5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
        7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia

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        • papillon
          Legend
          • Mar 2008
          • 11340

          #19
          Re: Got a sinking feeling about the 18th pick.

          Originally posted by Oviedo
          Originally posted by SanAntonioSteelerFan
          Does it really impact who another team chooses if it's well known who we want? I'd think the other team would choose the best for them, not to deprive us of ours.

          The flip side of that - we don't pick ours to mess up teams that choose after us, so why would we think other teams would do that to us?
          Team don't likely adjust their boards based on us. Putting out who we are "interested" in does however form the basis for a trade up or down as we may mention a player who a team that drafts after us is very high on.

          There is so much misinformation that goes on here that anyone who thinks the Steelers are giving away valuable information taht will hurt the team is only fooling themselves or more likely just feeding their established prejudices with regards to the organization.
          What the Steelers do has no bearing on the teams in front of them, but, I'm sure the teams behind them monitor who the Steelers are interested in and make a move if necessary. It's not just the Steelers they monitor it's any team that may have plans on drafting a guy they really like before he gets to them.

          Pappy
          sigpic

          The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft

          1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
          3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
          3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
          4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
          5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
          7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia

          "Football is a physical game, well, it used to be anyways" - Mel Blount

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          • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 10281

            #20
            Re: Got a sinking feeling about the 18th pick.

            Originally posted by SteelCzar76
            And with that said,....when MCclain, Haden, Weatherspoon, Wilson, Thomas, and Spiller are all off of the board when the 18th pick rolls around,....i feel as though team "chucklehead" will select Iupati, Pouncey or Trent Williams.
            Are we under the impression that the rest of the teams in the league do not know about these players and only pick them because they hear that the Steelers like these guys?

            Doesn't every team broadcast their wish list by who they invite to town, who they visit with at the combine, and which pro days they attend?

            Most teams know the Steelers area of needs - as well as the needs of every other team in the league. It is usually easier to isolate Pittsburgh's choices on draft day than say the Browns because we have fewer needs and more players are off the board by the time we choose.

            I don't think that anybody is uncovering any great secrets from the likes of Bouchette. The Jets swooped in and grabbed Revis because they knew that he was one of three or four possibilities for the Steelers and they needed a CB desperately. They were not willing to risk losing him and facing the choice between Leon Hall and Aaron Ross. History has shown that it was a worthwhile risk.
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            • MaxAMillion
              Backup
              • Dec 2008
              • 439

              #21
              Re: Got a sinking feeling about the 18th pick.

              I am already for the Pouncey man to come to Pittsburgh. I think he will be a pro bowl center in a couple of years. I also expect everyone to bitch about drafting him.
              The Steelers’ went through seven consecutive drafts (2003-09) without taking an offensive lineman in the first two rounds, the longest such streak by any franchise this century.

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              • ANPSTEEL
                Starter
                • Jun 2008
                • 888

                #22
                Re: Got a sinking feeling about the 18th pick.

                Originally posted by Oviedo
                Whoever is picked it will be wrong as far as 50%+ of this board is concerned and they will believe they would would had made a better pick if only the Steelers would hire people as qualified as those who post on this board.
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                • Shoe
                  Hall of Famer
                  • May 2008
                  • 4044

                  #23
                  Re: Got a sinking feeling about the 18th pick.

                  Originally posted by SteelCzar76
                  And with that said,....when MCclain, Haden, Weatherspoon, Wilson, Thomas, and Spiller are all off of the board when the 18th pick rolls around,....i feel as though team "chucklehead" will select Iupati, Pouncey or Trent Williams.
                  If it's Pouncey, I'm not gonna be down on the pick (I guess I will be for a minute, as it's not a "sexy" pick).

                  Because Pouncey fills a real need that I perceive (intelligence on our O-line. I also like the idea of trying to rekindle our Center lineage!

                  I still want an interior rusher (Brian Price), a Corner with ball skills before... but I could easily co-sign on Pouncey.
                  I wasn't hired for my disposition.

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                  • ikestops85
                    Hall of Famer
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 3724

                    #24
                    Re: Got a sinking feeling about the 18th pick.

                    One thing you can take to the bank ...

                    Whomever the Steeler pick they will be "plain as a bowl of grits" type player.
                    As many on this site think ... The Rooney's suck, Colbert sucks, Tomlin sucks, the coaches suck, and the players suck.

                    but Go Steelers!!!

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                    • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
                      Hall of Famer
                      • May 2008
                      • 3937

                      #25
                      Re: Got a sinking feeling about the 18th pick.

                      I had Williams...Hampton signed...I switched to Spoon.
                      I had Spoon...Foote signed...I switched to Thomas.
                      I had Thomas...And found out they already fell in love with their guy.

                      They will try to trade back but still take him if they can't. One possible trade partner in the Eagles to move up for Spoon/McClain if one is still on the board to get ahead of the Falcons. The Eagles have (2) 3rds and it will cost them the later 3rd. Not my favortie pick...But understand the pick. Great story surrounding him and he sounds like a Pittsburgh kind of guy. It will be the type of pick the Steelers need to make after this offseason. More of a project than I like at #18 so hopefully they can move back some. Fills a need as well. The card already has his name on it. I'm surprised there won't be a parade for his visit. And to think all the time I wasted doing my mocks.

                      Mike Iupati

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                      • Oviedo
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 23824

                        #26
                        Re: Got a sinking feeling about the 18th pick.

                        Originally posted by ikestops85
                        One thing you can take to the bank ...

                        Whomever the Steeler pick they will be "plain as a bowl of grits" type player.
                        ...and there will be a vocal majority who will decry the pick because based on professional knowledge gained from the "Lazy Boys of ultimate knowledge in their living rooms" and their detailed internal knowledge of the Steelers players it will be the wrong player for the wrong reasons and not the player they would pick. Colbert will be an idiot who can't assess talent. Tomlin will be incompetent and above his head. Arians will be a buffoon who any former high school "star" could do better than. LeBeau will be a legend and a saint who is just a victim and gets a bad deal in terms of players and the offense not doing enough to make his job easy.

                        You will also have an obnoxious minority who will hate the pick whoever it is because they aren't happy unless they hate something or someone and can't string three sentences together in any post where they don't remind us what their prejudices are and who they don't like.
                        "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                        • WoodleyofTroy
                          Starter
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 709

                          #27
                          Re: Got a sinking feeling about the 18th pick.

                          Actually I do think other teams are influenced by the Steelers. When you're consistently a contender and doing things right, that's what happens. Same with the Patriots. As soon as it's announced they are looking at someone, the annual losing GM's go running.

                          Nowhere did I read that the Browns wanted Mack that high last year. They kept talking about how they wanted him with their early 2nd.

                          And would Buffalo have taken Wood that high as well?
                          "That's just Ben being Superman" -John Madden, Super Bowl XLIII

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