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  • Lebsteel
    Pro Bowler
    • May 2008
    • 1007
    #1

    Thomas and Haden > Berry per Mayock

    From NFL.com, Mike Mayock's Top 20
    [url]http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d8171c657&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true[/url]

    1. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
    McCoy is incredibly disruptive for opponents' passing games.

    2. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
    Suh is a tremendous all-around defensive tackle.

    3. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State
    Bryant is reminiscent of Andre Johnson, but his off-field issues need to be qualified.

    4. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
    Bradford is very accurate and poised in the pocket, but his durability is a concern.

    5. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
    Okung is a top-10 caliber left tackle, but needs more consistent technique.

    6. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
    Spiller has the speed to go the distance, and is a threat as a receiver, rusher and returner.

    7. Earl Thomas, S, Texas
    Thomas is the draft's most instinctive safety, but will his size limit him?

    8. Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
    Bulaga is a technician who was taught well by Iowa's Kirk Ferentz. His short arms are a concern.

    9. Joe Haden, CB, Florida
    Haden has quick-twitch muscles and is great at changing direction. He is surprisingly physical.

    10. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
    Berry has all-pro tools, and a great all-around game.

    11. Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida
    Pierre-Paul is an explosive physical talent, but is raw and inexperienced.

    12. Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
    Williams can be a swing tackle, but will off-field issues affect him?

    13. Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech
    Morgan has a great motor and was very productive in college. He gets off the ball quickly.

    14. Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
    Williams is a massive interior presence, and has better feet than expected.

    15. Sergio Kindle, DE/LB, Texas
    He is an explosive edge pass rusher as an edge defensive end/outside linebacker. He is a playmaker.

    16. Rolando McClain, LB, Alabama
    McClain is a prototypical inside linebacker for the 3-4, and can also play the strongside.

    17. Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
    Gresham is a game-breaking tight end, but the torn ACL he suffered last year needs to be qualified.

    18. Brandon Graham, DE, Michigan
    Graham is scheme diverse, and had a great Senior Bowl week.

    19. Maurkice Pouncey, C, Florida
    Pouncey is a first-round center that can anchor and pull.

    20. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
    He can make all the NFL throws, but his intangibles need to be looked at closely.
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    • flippy
      Legend
      • Dec 2008
      • 17088
      #2
      Re: Thomas and Haden > Berry per Mayock

      Great. If Berry drops that far, let's go get him.
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        • phillyesq
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 7568
          #3
          Re: Thomas and Haden > Berry per Mayock

          He also has Pouncey as the 4th best offensive lineman, and ranks him ahead of Iupati. Interesting.

          The thing I really like about Mayock's work is that he isn't afraid to move away from the group-think of draft pundits, as these rankings show.

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            • RuthlessBurgher
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 33208
              #4
              Re: Thomas and Haden > Berry per Mayock

              I'd be happy with any of the 3, but I'd put Berry clearly at the head of the class, and give Haden and Thomas essentially the same grade, with preference based upon whether you need a CB or FS more (since our greater need is at CB, I'd take Haden before Thomas, but would not be unhappy with either). Haden and Thomas should both be good, and perhaps even great, but I think Berry has truly elite potential. To bring back the Pro Bowl vs. All-Pro comparison from another thread, I think Haden and Thomas might be able to play in the Pro Bowl, but I think that Berry will be a perennial All-Pro if he lives up to his potential.
              Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

              Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

              We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

              We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                • Dee Dub
                  Hall of Famer
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 4652
                  #5
                  Re: Thomas and Haden > Berry per Mayock

                  I wouldnt read anything into this. This is what he does every year. He is trying to separate himself from the masses that be the NFL Draft so-called experts. He was the first to rate McCoy over Suh as well. And really...is McCoy really better than Suh??

                  There is no way that Haden or Thomas is better than Berry. But what fun would that be if all these experts fell in line with one another??
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                    • Lebsteel
                      Pro Bowler
                      • May 2008
                      • 1007
                      #6
                      Re: Thomas and Haden > Berry per Mayock

                      Originally posted by Dee Dub
                      I wouldnt read anything into this. This is what he does every year. He is trying to separate himself from the masses that be the NFL Draft so-called experts. He was the first to rate McCoy over Suh as well. And really...is McCoy really better than Suh??

                      There is no way that Haden or Thomas is better than Berry. But what fun would that be if all these experts fell in line with one another??
                      Very true. Bucky Brooks is apparently doing the same thing. In his latest mock he has Suh falling to the Raiders at #8. If he fell that far, I'd love to trade our Rd 2, 4 and 5 to get him! I think he would be worth that.
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                        • Steel Life
                          Pro Bowler
                          • May 2008
                          • 1535
                          #7
                          Re: Thomas and Haden > Berry per Mayock

                          Originally posted by Dee Dub
                          I wouldnt read anything into this. This is what he does every year. He is trying to separate himself from the masses that be the NFL Draft so-called experts. He was the first to rate McCoy over Suh as well. And really...is McCoy really better than Suh??

                          There is no way that Haden or Thomas is better than Berry. But what fun would that be if all these experts fell in line with one another??
                          Dub is right, every year he has couple of guys he really pimps & some he just lays into. He really is more hit & miss than the rest of them.
                          It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust & sweat & blood...

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                            • MaxAMillion
                              Backup
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 439
                              #8
                              Re: Thomas and Haden > Berry per Mayock

                              I think people are sleeping on Pouncey. I want him over Iupati. I think he will be the Steelers pick at #18 and I think he will be a great player.
                              The Steelers’ went through seven consecutive drafts (2003-09) without taking an offensive lineman in the first two rounds, the longest such streak by any franchise this century.

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                                • steelblood
                                  Hall of Famer
                                  • May 2008
                                  • 4166
                                  #9
                                  Re: Thomas and Haden > Berry per Mayock

                                  At least Mayock makes a case and backs it up with some sound logic. Some of these other guys have no clue. Is Mayock a great prognosticator? Not really. Is he interesting? Usually.
                                  Even if Bill Belichick was getting an atomic wedgie, his face would look exactly the same.

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                                    • hawaiiansteel
                                      Legend
                                      • May 2008
                                      • 35648
                                      #10
                                      Re: Thomas and Haden > Berry per Mayock

                                      Originally posted by MaxAMillion
                                      I think people are sleeping on Pouncey. I want him over Iupati. I think he will be the Steelers pick at #18 and I think he will be a great player.


                                      i'm all for an upgrade over Hartwig and Legursky, C and CB are the two weakest positions on the team in my opinion.

                                      however, if we are going to take Pouncey i would prefer trading down a bit in the first round and picking up another 2nd or 3rd round draft choice.

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                                        • Shawn
                                          Legend
                                          • Mar 2008
                                          • 15131
                                          #11
                                          Re: Thomas and Haden > Berry per Mayock

                                          Originally posted by Dee Dub
                                          I wouldnt read anything into this. This is what he does every year. He is trying to separate himself from the masses that be the NFL Draft so-called experts. He was the first to rate McCoy over Suh as well. And really...is McCoy really better than Suh??

                                          There is no way that Haden or Thomas is better than Berry. But what fun would that be if all these experts fell in line with one another??
                                          There are quite a few draftniks that believe McCoy is indeed better than Nuh especially in the right system. He is a more disruptive pass rusher. I'm certainly not saying I agree with him but he isn't the first to say this.
                                          Trolls are people too.

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                                            • Dee Dub
                                              Hall of Famer
                                              • Jan 2010
                                              • 4652
                                              #12
                                              Re: Thomas and Haden > Berry per Mayock

                                              Originally posted by Shawn
                                              Originally posted by Dee Dub
                                              I wouldnt read anything into this. This is what he does every year. He is trying to separate himself from the masses that be the NFL Draft so-called experts. He was the first to rate McCoy over Suh as well. And really...is McCoy really better than Suh??

                                              There is no way that Haden or Thomas is better than Berry. But what fun would that be if all these experts fell in line with one another??
                                              There are quite a few draftniks that believe McCoy is indeed better than Nuh especially in the right system. He is a more disruptive pass rusher. I'm certainly not saying I agree with him but he isn't the first to say this.
                                              I dont agree with that and the numbers validate my thought. Over the last two years Suh as been the more dominate. He had 19 sacks and 42 tackles for loss where McCoy had 12.5 and 26. And there is no question McCoy played on the better defense.
                                              Steelers 2015 Draft???....Go Freak! As in....

                                              1-Bernardrick McKinney MLB Mississippi State 6 ft 5 250 4.5 40 yard dash

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                                                • Shawn
                                                  Legend
                                                  • Mar 2008
                                                  • 15131
                                                  #13
                                                  Re: Thomas and Haden > Berry per Mayock

                                                  [quote=Dee Dub]
                                                  Originally posted by Shawn
                                                  Originally posted by "Dee Dub":12czl8gs
                                                  I wouldnt read anything into this. This is what he does every year. He is trying to separate himself from the masses that be the NFL Draft so-called experts. He was the first to rate McCoy over Suh as well. And really...is McCoy really better than Suh??

                                                  There is no way that Haden or Thomas is better than Berry. But what fun would that be if all these experts fell in line with one another??
                                                  There are quite a few draftniks that believe McCoy is indeed better than Nuh especially in the right system. He is a more disruptive pass rusher. I'm certainly not saying I agree with him but he isn't the first to say this.
                                                  I dont agree with that and the numbers validate my thought. Over the last two years Suh as been the more dominate. He had 19 sacks and 42 tackles for loss where McCoy had 12.5 and 26. And there is no question McCoy played on the better defense.[/quote:12czl8gs]

                                                  Like I said, I didn't say I agree but Maylock isn't the first to say it.
                                                  Trolls are people too.

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                                                    • hawaiiansteel
                                                      Legend
                                                      • May 2008
                                                      • 35648
                                                      #14
                                                      Re: Thomas and Haden > Berry per Mayock

                                                      Browns will eyeball Eric Berry

                                                      Posted by Mike Florio on March 26, 2010


                                                      Eric Berry of Tennessee is the highest rated safety in the 2010 draft. And so he'll be visiting one of the teams possessing one of the highest picks.

                                                      According to Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Browns will host Berry on April 8.

                                                      Per Cabot, a workout has not been scheduled. At the team facility, only a medical exam can be performed. Browns spokesperson Ashley Kerns said that the team believes it has sufficient knowledge of Berry's physical skills.

                                                      The Browns hold the seventh overall pick in the draft.

                                                      [url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/26/browns-will-eyeball-eric-berry/"]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ric-berry/[/url]

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