Predicted odds on who the Steelers take at #18

[Chadman]

Re: Predicted odds on who the Steelers take at #18

Without trying to kick-start the value of Iupati debate, think about this...

All season long, he has graded out well. His whole career has graded well. Leading up to the Senior Bowl, he was projected as the #1 OG & possibly the #4 OT available. He killed it in practice. Then, after a poor Senior Bowl game, he's over rated?

It sounds strangely familiar to what happened to this other guy Chadman remembers...a guy that had an outstanding college career, was rated as a sure-fire 1st round pick leading up to the Senior Bowl, but had a below-par game at the Senior Bowl & subsequently dropped in the rankings into the 2nd round....and was later picked by the Pittsburgh Steelers...and became their starting LOLB the next year...you know him right? LaMarr Woodley? Remember him?

Don't judge a player based on one game. Iupati was rated that high for a reason leading up to the Senior Bowl.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Predicted odds on who the Steelers take at #18

#1 OL in the draft, silly. Not the #1 OL on the team!

Unreal.....

A position of need? Half this stuff that comes out of the coaches mouths this time of year is just bunk...its that way for a reason...


Oh, and by the way? Wexell is guessing right along with the rest of us....

yes, silly...i'm very well aware that since Iupati is not on our team (yet) that he cannot be the Steelers No. 1 OL. i was merely quoting Wexell's words, I was just making the point that our current OL coach Sean Kugler also thinks very highly of Iupati as he has him rated as the #1 OL in the entire draft.

Essex is in the last year of his contract, Urbik wasn't even good enough to dress on game days last year, Legursky is more a center than a guard, and Foster...i gotta give him credit for filling in admirably last season.

OG is definitely a position of need, if you don't think so then we will just have to agree to disagree. as for me being nuts, have you been talking with my mother-in-law?

Kugler is the one who is nuts if he truly believes that Iupati is a better OL prospect than, say, Russell Okung. Sure, there is a much greater gap between Iupati and the #2 guard than there is between Okung and the #2 tackle, but Okung is a superior overall OL prospect (Koogs may have just said that because he knows that his team has no reasonable shot to get a guy like Okung, but chances are that Iupati could be available when we pick).

[Chadman]

Re: Predicted odds on who the Steelers take at #18

#1 OL in the draft, silly. Not the #1 OL on the team!

Unreal.....

A position of need? Half this stuff that comes out of the coaches mouths this time of year is just bunk...its that way for a reason...


Oh, and by the way? Wexell is guessing right along with the rest of us....

yes, silly...i'm very well aware that since Iupati is not on our team (yet) that he cannot be the Steelers No. 1 OL. i was merely quoting Wexell's words, I was just making the point that our current OL coach Sean Kugler also thinks very highly of Iupati as he has him rated as the #1 OL in the entire draft.

Essex is in the last year of his contract, Urbik wasn't even good enough to dress on game days last year, Legursky is more a center than a guard, and Foster...i gotta give him credit for filling in admirably last season.

OG is definitely a position of need, if you don't think so then we will just have to agree to disagree. as for me being nuts, have you been talking with my mother-in-law?

Kugler is the one who is nuts if he truly believes that Iupati is a better OL prospect than, say, Russell Okung. Sure, there is a much greater gap between Iupati and the #2 guard than there is between Okung and the #2 tackle, but Okung is a superior overall OL prospect (Koogs may have just said that because he knows that his team has no reasonable shot to get a guy like Okung, but chances are that Iupati could be available when we pick).

Before we degenerate into a screaming hissy-fit over who said what- pretty sure Coach Kugler said Iupati was the OL that the Steelers had #1 on THEIR DRAFT BOARD- ie, the guy they rated #1 in OL that should be available to them on draft day- not that he is the best OL in the draft.

[hawaiiansteel]

Re: Predicted odds on who the Steelers take at #18

#1 OL in the draft, silly. Not the #1 OL on the team!

Unreal.....

A position of need? Half this stuff that comes out of the coaches mouths this time of year is just bunk...its that way for a reason...


Oh, and by the way? Wexell is guessing right along with the rest of us....

yes, silly...i'm very well aware that since Iupati is not on our team (yet) that he cannot be the Steelers No. 1 OL. i was merely quoting Wexell's words, I was just making the point that our current OL coach Sean Kugler also thinks very highly of Iupati as he has him rated as the #1 OL in the entire draft.

Essex is in the last year of his contract, Urbik wasn't even good enough to dress on game days last year, Legursky is more a center than a guard, and Foster...i gotta give him credit for filling in admirably last season.

OG is definitely a position of need, if you don't think so then we will just have to agree to disagree. as for me being nuts, have you been talking with my mother-in-law?

Kugler is the one who is nuts if he truly believes that Iupati is a better OL prospect than, say, Russell Okung. Sure, there is a much greater gap between Iupati and the #2 guard than there is between Okung and the #2 tackle, but Okung is a superior overall OL prospect (Koogs may have just said that because he knows that his team has no reasonable shot to get a guy like Okung, but chances are that Iupati could be available when we pick).

or maybe Koogs said Iupati is the #1 OL on the Steelers board because the Steelers are not considering taking an OT in the first round, but may consider an OG?

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Predicted odds on who the Steelers take at #18

#1 OL in the draft, silly. Not the #1 OL on the team!

Unreal.....

A position of need? Half this stuff that comes out of the coaches mouths this time of year is just bunk...its that way for a reason...


Oh, and by the way? Wexell is guessing right along with the rest of us....

yes, silly...i'm very well aware that since Iupati is not on our team (yet) that he cannot be the Steelers No. 1 OL. i was merely quoting Wexell's words, I was just making the point that our current OL coach Sean Kugler also thinks very highly of Iupati as he has him rated as the #1 OL in the entire draft.

Essex is in the last year of his contract, Urbik wasn't even good enough to dress on game days last year, Legursky is more a center than a guard, and Foster...i gotta give him credit for filling in admirably last season.

OG is definitely a position of need, if you don't think so then we will just have to agree to disagree. as for me being nuts, have you been talking with my mother-in-law?

Kugler is the one who is nuts if he truly believes that Iupati is a better OL prospect than, say, Russell Okung. Sure, there is a much greater gap between Iupati and the #2 guard than there is between Okung and the #2 tackle, but Okung is a superior overall OL prospect (Koogs may have just said that because he knows that his team has no reasonable shot to get a guy like Okung, but chances are that Iupati could be available when we pick).

Before we degenerate into a screaming hissy-fit over who said what- pretty sure Coach Kugler said Iupati was the OL that the Steelers had #1 on THEIR DRAFT BOARD- ie, the guy they rated #1 in OL that should be available to them on draft day- not that he is the best OL in the draft.

You still rank everyone on your draft board, Chad (except for guys that you absolutely would not draft due to character concerns, medical concerns, or whatever). You never know who might fall. No one expected Mendenhall to be available at #23, but he was on our draft board.

[hawaiiansteel]

Re: Predicted odds on who the Steelers take at #18

#1 OL in the draft, silly. Not the #1 OL on the team!

Unreal.....

A position of need? Half this stuff that comes out of the coaches mouths this time of year is just bunk...its that way for a reason...


Oh, and by the way? Wexell is guessing right along with the rest of us....

yes, silly...i'm very well aware that since Iupati is not on our team (yet) that he cannot be the Steelers No. 1 OL. i was merely quoting Wexell's words, I was just making the point that our current OL coach Sean Kugler also thinks very highly of Iupati as he has him rated as the #1 OL in the entire draft.

Essex is in the last year of his contract, Urbik wasn't even good enough to dress on game days last year, Legursky is more a center than a guard, and Foster...i gotta give him credit for filling in admirably last season.

OG is definitely a position of need, if you don't think so then we will just have to agree to disagree. as for me being nuts, have you been talking with my mother-in-law?

Kugler is the one who is nuts if he truly believes that Iupati is a better OL prospect than, say, Russell Okung. Sure, there is a much greater gap between Iupati and the #2 guard than there is between Okung and the #2 tackle, but Okung is a superior overall OL prospect (Koogs may have just said that because he knows that his team has no reasonable shot to get a guy like Okung, but chances are that Iupati could be available when we pick).

Before we degenerate into a screaming hissy-fit over who said what- pretty sure Coach Kugler said Iupati was the OL that the Steelers had #1 on THEIR DRAFT BOARD- ie, the guy they rated #1 in OL that should be available to them on draft day- not that he is the best OL in the draft.

You still rank everyone on your draft board, Chad (except for guys that you absolutely would not draft due to character concerns, medical concerns, or whatever). You never know who might fall. No one expected Mendenhall to be available at #23, but he was on our draft board.

let's hypothetically say that the Steelers know that they would NOT draft a QB in the first round under any circumstance...would they still bother having Bradford and Clausen on their draft board?

[ikestops85]

Re: Predicted odds on who the Steelers take at #18

let's hypothetically say that the Steelers know that they would NOT draft a QB in the first round under any circumstance...would they still bother having Bradford and Clausen on their draft board?

The answer to that is a resounding YES. That way if your franchise QB rides a bike without a helmut the day before you draft you are prepared.

[hawaiiansteel]

Re: Predicted odds on who the Steelers take at #18

let's hypothetically say that the Steelers know that they would NOT draft a QB in the first round under any circumstance...would they still bother having Bradford and Clausen on their draft board?

The answer to that is a resounding YES. That way if your franchise QB rides a bike without a helmut the day before you draft you are prepared.

all the Steelers would need to do in that case is to draft Tim Tebow, he looks really good in the Black & Gold...

[Lebsteel]

Re: Predicted odds on who the Steelers take at #18

let's hypothetically say that the Steelers know that they would NOT draft a QB in the first round under any circumstance...would they still bother having Bradford and Clausen on their draft board?

The answer to that is a resounding YES. That way if your franchise QB rides a bike without a helmut the day before you draft you are prepared.

all the Steelers would need to do in that case is to draft Tim Tebow, he looks really good in the Black & Gold...

TEBOW!!! TEBOW!! TEBOW!! He would make a great Steeler.........

backup QB......great job on the PhotoShop work!

[ikestops85]

Re: Predicted odds on who the Steelers take at #18

let's hypothetically say that the Steelers know that they would NOT draft a QB in the first round under any circumstance...would they still bother having Bradford and Clausen on their draft board?

The answer to that is a resounding YES. That way if your franchise QB rides a bike without a helmut the day before you draft you are prepared.

all the Steelers would need to do in that case is to draft Tim Tebow, he looks really good in the Black & Gold...

TEBOW!!! TEBOW!! TEBOW!! He would make a great Steeler.........

backup QB......great job on the PhotoShop work!

Yes .. Tebow @ #18!! That would shock a few people.

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: Predicted odds on who the Steelers take at #18

let's hypothetically say that the Steelers know that they would NOT draft a QB in the first round under any circumstance...would they still bother having Bradford and Clausen on their draft board?

The answer to that is a resounding YES. That way if your franchise QB rides a bike without a helmut the day before you draft you are prepared.

all the Steelers would need to do in that case is to draft Tim Tebow, he looks really good in the Black & Gold...

looks like mike tomczak on steroids

[steelz09]

Re: Predicted odds on who the Steelers take at #18

The more I think about it, the more I don't think the Steelers draft philosophy should or would change:

In not particular order:

1) Iupati or another tackle. Tackle is definitely an issue. No way do I see the Steelers drafting another guard. How many do we need on the roster?!

2) Weatherspoon / McClain - Just two strong candidates. It's just hard to imagine for the Steelers to draft a LB when they signed Foote and also have Fox. How could they fit a first rounder when they have Farrior, Timmons, Fox, and Foote already on the roster? But how can on either of these guys if they're BPA?

3) Earl Thomas - Just too dynamic of a playmaker and can play multiple positions. Could be an immediate starter at CB and transition to FS later..many possibilities. He should be the player selected if available.

4) Odrick - I don't know much about him but I'm all about having good depth especially on the defensive line considering given the age of Keisel and Smith and the injuries problems Smith has had as of late. Sunny Harris and Hood were good additions last year but I would have no problem adding another one this year.

5) Dan Williams - See #4. Hoke is old and Casey is only signed for three years. Draft Williams as your future NT. You have your replacement who can backup pro bowler Hampton. Williams could even rotate in on the d-line.

6) Haden - CB is the weakest link on this defense. I have confidence in the two young guys from last year but in this pass happy league, you need to be deep in the secondary.

I honestly see at least 3 of these players being available at #18. We always hear "no way will they be available when we pick", but they always are. Teams ahead of us have OT needs, DL (at least the 2 top DE's will be drafted), QB needs, RB needs, S (Eric Berry), etc.

[eniparadoxgma]

Re: Predicted odds on who the Steelers take at #18

Florida sucks.

...and that's about all I have to say about that.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Predicted odds on who the Steelers take at #18

let's hypothetically say that the Steelers know that they would NOT draft a QB in the first round under any circumstance...would they still bother having Bradford and Clausen on their draft board?

The answer to that is a resounding YES. That way if your franchise QB rides a bike without a helmut the day before you draft you are prepared.

all the Steelers would need to do in that case is to draft Tim Tebow, he looks really good in the Black & Gold...

He'd have to change his number if he wants to be our new H-back.

[Discipline of Steel]

Re: Predicted odds on who the Steelers take at #18

The more I think about it, the more I don't think the Steelers draft philosophy should or would change:

In not particular order:

1) Iupati or another tackle. Tackle is definitely an issue. No way do I see the Steelers drafting another guard. How many do we need on the roster?!

2) Weatherspoon / McClain - Just two strong candidates. It's just hard to imagine for the Steelers to draft a LB when they signed Foote and also have Fox. How could they fit a first rounder when they have Farrior, Timmons, Fox, and Foote already on the roster? But how can on either of these guys if they're BPA?

3) Earl Thomas - Just too dynamic of a playmaker and can play multiple positions. Could be an immediate starter at CB and transition to FS later..many possibilities. He should be the player selected if available.

4) Odrick - I don't know much about him but I'm all about having good depth especially on the defensive line considering given the age of Keisel and Smith and the injuries problems Smith has had as of late. Sunny Harris and Hood were good additions last year but I would have no problem adding another one this year.

5) Dan Williams - See #4. Hoke is old and Casey is only signed for three years. Draft Williams as your future NT. You have your replacement who can backup pro bowler Hampton. Williams could even rotate in on the d-line.

6) Haden - CB is the weakest link on this defense. I have confidence in the two young guys from last year but in this pass happy league, you need to be deep in the secondary.

I honestly see at least 3 of these players being available at #18. We always hear "no way will they be available when we pick", but they always are. Teams ahead of us have OT needs, DL (at least the 2 top DE's will be drafted), QB needs, RB needs, S (Eric Berry), etc.

Hey, your top three draft picks are the same as mine...until we signed Larry Foote. Now I would take a DL instead of Spikes.