NFL 2023 combine thread II

[Steel Maniac]

I can't wait to see who lands Jahmyr Gibbs

You think he has the goods?

[hawaiiansteel]

Two words:
Josh Allen

I don’t like Richardson either, but I literally said EXACTLY the same thing as Hawaiian said about Josh Allen. Saw him in college looking VERY not very good.

I was very wrong.

I saw Josh Allen play in person against UH when he was at Wyoming, and he wasn't very good. I was thinking if he couldn't look good against Hawaii's weak pass defense how in the world could he ever possibly make it in the NFL?

obviously, I also was very wrong.

[NJ-STEELER]

Dotson's replacement? T-Rex arms, most profiles I read say he's a G at the next level.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/peter-...5-c28e7b2fe41f

I’m seeing the same was being said last year about his forger teammate at northwestern slater.

he’s now one of the top young LTs in the have

[Joel Buchsbaum]

I saw Josh Allen play in person against UH when he was at Wyoming, and he wasn't very good. I was thinking if he couldn't look good against Hawaii's weak pass defense how in the world could he ever possibly make it in the NFL?

obviously, I also was very wrong.

I felt Allen was a boom or bust type a pick , but worth a gamble in round one. You gave to realize he wasn't paired with good deep receivers and the arm of his was special. But what if he had good receivers in college? Ah, now that was the projection. The coaching at Wyoming might have hindered his development.

[Oviedo]

I’m still a huge fan. Antonio Brown had a RAS score of 3.86. Hopefully he drops to 32. RAS is just another geek stat. I think game tape trumps all these new metrics for ranking players.

I'm with you. I don't like Addision at #17 but if he is there at #32, I'm taking him. I don't understand why anyone thinks our WR group is going to help Pickett "be all he can be." Unreliable DJ who is boom or bust from play to play. Pickett who oozes potential but isn't a good route runner but has splashed with half a dozen highlight film catches. Austin who I have been a fan of because i watched him in college but we can't be sure how he come back from his injury. Other than that we have nothing at WR except journeymen and forgettable talent.

[Oviedo]

I've seen both, but I think the overall impression is LT, but if he doesn't pan out there, at least he can kick inside. Decision up to FO if he falls, but if they view him as a guard, I'd pass. I'd rather grab someone else or trade back in the first, and grab a guy like Harrison, Duncan, Bergeron, at 32.

If they see Skronski as a Guard, I'm waiting to take O'cyrus Torrence who is a monster of a man and destroys people

[Iron City Inc.]

If they see Skronski as a Guard, I'm waiting to take O'cyrus Torrence who is a monster of a man and destroys people

Lets hope after the Green pick we learned size is a talent.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

If they see Skronski as a Guard, I'm waiting to take O'cyrus Torrence who is a monster of a man and destroys people

Skronski is a right tackle pick who has unusually quick feet and technique. He is a high floor type if guy. O'cyrus is a guard who does destroy his man. D Jones is a monster Right tackle project is so big he a can rag doll his man, a pure power player.

[Northern_Blitz]

I’m still a huge fan. Antonio Brown had a RAS score of 3.86. Hopefully he drops to 32. RAS is just another geek stat. I think game tape trumps all these new metrics for ranking players.

I think you were in the camp that Pickett was correct / telling the truth when he said Addison would run in the 4.2s, right?

“I think people are kind of underestimating his speed,” Pickett said (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GJ0WaPPPL. “And the thing about Jordan is he runs routes [at his top] speed. There’s some guys who run 4.3, but they don’t play at that speed.
t’s impressive about him, is that he plays at that speed, he’s in and out of cuts at that speed.”
Pickett also said that Addison could run as fast as a 4.28 if he “got a good start” at the 40-yard dash during offseason workouts.

https://heavy.com/sports/pittsburgh-steelers/kenny-pickett-jordan-addison-nfl-draft/

Instead he runs a 4.49. Not much different from the 4.54 Washington (60th pick) and Juju (62nd pick) had. And IIRC Washington was a guy who couldn't often run himself open and had to make combat catches most of the time (which he was OK at). Juju was better, so maybe that's what we'd be hoping for if we picked Addison. And late 2nd was what we paid to acquire both Washington and Juju.

I'd prefer that we give KP a guy who gets really open so that he doesn't have to make more difficult throws more frequently.

I don't watch college football at all. So I don't know. But the measurables have me worried that he'll be another guy like the ones we haven't had great success with.

Just because two guys who are future NFL players look good against college guys who are never going to sniff the league doesn't mean that reuniting them will lead to the same results when they are playing in the NFL. I think it's unlikely that Addison is Jamar Chase. But that's not just the measurables, it's because very few WRs who are good in college become Jamar Chase.

I think we'll take a WR in the first 3 rounds. I hope it's closer to the bottom of those picks, but I think we'll use a 2nd (hopefully the later one).

[Northern_Blitz]

Two words:
Josh Allen

I don’t like Richardson either, but I literally said EXACTLY the same thing as Hawaiian said about Josh Allen. Saw him in college looking VERY not very good.

I was very wrong.

I think that very few players (particularly QBs) have been able to have the kind of progression that Allen has had in the NFL. I'm not sure that's a reasonable expectation going forward.

[Captain Lemming]

I feel like some of these QB’s owe Josh Allen a cut..

That is hilarious… and true.

[feltdizz]

I think you were in the camp that Pickett was correct / telling the truth when he said Addison would run in the 4.2s, right?

https://heavy.com/sports/pittsburgh-steelers/kenny-pickett-jordan-addison-nfl-draft/

Instead he runs a 4.49. Not much different from the 4.54 Washington (60th pick) and Juju (62nd pick) had. And IIRC Washington was a guy who couldn't often run himself open and had to make combat catches most of the time (which he was OK at). Juju was better, so maybe that's what we'd be hoping for if we picked Addison. And late 2nd was what we paid to acquire both Washington and Juju.

I'd prefer that we give KP a guy who gets really open so that he doesn't have to make more difficult throws more frequently.

I don't watch college football at all. So I don't know. But the measurables have me worried that he'll be another guy like the ones we haven't had great success with.

Just because two guys who are future NFL players look good against college guys who are never going to sniff the league doesn't mean that reuniting them will lead to the same results when they are playing in the NFL. I think it's unlikely that Addison is Jamar Chase. But that's not just the measurables, it's because very few WRs who are good in college become Jamar Chase.

I think we'll take a WR in the first 3 rounds. I hope it's closer to the bottom of those picks, but I think we'll use a 2nd (hopefully the later one).

WRONG!!!

I never said Addison was a 4.29 guy. If he was ain’t no way he would make it to 17.

I said Pickett was probably trying to get Addison to drop with that prediction. I’ve always said Addison was a playmaker, never said he had blazing speed.

I think Kenny purposely inflated Addison’s 40 time.. lol. I have no idea what his 40 time will be but Kenny said he would run a time that surely would have him going top 15. If he is clocked below that time maybe he dips to 17 or even to 32!

Doubt it but if he is at 32 no way could we pass on him twice.

http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/54013-Receiver-in-Round-1-or-2/page4?highlight=Addison+doesn%92t

[Captain Lemming]

I think you were in the camp that Pickett was correct / telling the truth when he said Addison would run in the 4.2s, right?

https://heavy.com/sports/pittsburgh-steelers/kenny-pickett-jordan-addison-nfl-draft/

Instead he runs a 4.49. Not much different from the 4.54 Washington (60th pick) and Juju (62nd pick) had. And IIRC Washington was a guy who couldn't often run himself open and had to make combat catches most of the time (which he was OK at). Juju was better, so maybe that's what we'd be hoping for if we picked Addison. And late 2nd was what we paid to acquire both Washington and Juju.

I'd prefer that we give KP a guy who gets really open so that he doesn't have to make more difficult throws more frequently.

I don't watch college football at all. So I don't know. But the measurables have me worried that he'll be another guy like the ones we haven't had great success with.

Just because two guys who are future NFL players look good against college guys who are never going to sniff the league doesn't mean that reuniting them will lead to the same results when they are playing in the NFL. I think it's unlikely that Addison is Jamar Chase. But that's not just the measurables, it's because very few WRs who are good in college become Jamar Chase.

I think we'll take a WR in the first 3 rounds. I hope it's closer to the bottom of those picks, but I think we'll use a 2nd (hopefully the later one).

Since when has 4.49 be considered slow? Would that not make him about as fast as any starting Steeler receiver not named Wallace since the 40 became a thing?

[Joel Buchsbaum]

I think you were in the camp that Pickett was correct / telling the truth when he said Addison would run in the 4.2s, right?

https://heavy.com/sports/pittsburgh-steelers/kenny-pickett-jordan-addison-nfl-draft/

Instead he runs a 4.49. Not much different from the 4.54 Washington (60th pick) and Juju (62nd pick) had. And IIRC Washington was a guy who couldn't often run himself open and had to make combat catches most of the time (which he was OK at). Juju was better, so maybe that's what we'd be hoping for if we picked Addison. And late 2nd was what we paid to acquire both Washington and Juju.

I'd prefer that we give KP a guy who gets really open so that he doesn't have to make more difficult throws more frequently.

I don't watch college football at all. So I don't know. But the measurables have me worried that he'll be another guy like the ones we haven't had great success with.

Just because two guys who are future NFL players look good against college guys who are never going to sniff the league doesn't mean that reuniting them will lead to the same results when they are playing in the NFL. I think it's unlikely that Addison is Jamar Chase. But that's not just the measurables, it's because very few WRs who are good in college become Jamar Chase.

I think we'll take a WR in the first 3 rounds. I hope it's closer to the bottom of those picks, but I think we'll use a 2nd (hopefully the later one).

+1 I agree.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Since when has 4.49 be considered slow? Would that not make him about as fast as any starting Steeler receiver not named Wallace since the 40 became a thing?

4.49 is not Is not slow or fast. Addison is a light weight 5'11" 173 pound WR with tiny hands ( 8 3/4 inches ) who on college didn't get open and struggled in the red zone and adds 0 as a blocker. He has a limited catch radius ( short arms at 5'11 ) and lacks size and speed. IMO not worth a first round pick ! The fact that Pickett is pimping his college teammate and nada. We have enough short WR's.

PS: Several Steelers WR ran faster. Ever hear of Bryant, or Austin? Projecting him as a starting Steeler is a reach! Forget him.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jordan-addison/32004144-4449-1056-9ba9-b09766bad478