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    Quote Originally Posted by Joel Buchsbaum View Post
    Yes, they did. We had the game won, but lot it 27-24 O’Donnell threw three tough down passes that day. Montana outside of the 4th quarter wasn't very good. We lost from mistakes, but the loss was to legends such as Montana, Allen, and Lowry, so years later it doesn't look so bad.

    https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article126403909.html
    This is the kind of logical inconsistency that people like me who end up "sticking up for Tomlin" hate.

    When Cowher was coach, "we lost because of mistakes".

    But when Tomlin is coach, it's bad coaching when a veteran constant probowler C snaps it feet over the QBs head and the QB throws 4 picks.

    Some of us who are logically consistent think that both of these games were lost because of poor execution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Lemming View Post
    No it was just an interesting quote.

    The fact that Cowher cant evaluate the QB position is beyond debate long before this. All we need is 2004 to know that.

    With the above being true, it is going to come up when discussing the topic. But it was not "why" it came up.

    BTW, you do realize it was your fellow Tomlin basher NJ who tied in Cowhers inability to evaluate QBs to this story?

    He is just telling it like it is. Of all of ya'll I give him props for not buying the myth that we were a BC away from a dynasty.

    Neither Cowher nor Tomlin were perfect.
    Which qbs did cowher not evaluate correctly over his career?
    Update:
    In the last decade, 25% of the league has won a super bowl(the Steelers aren't one of them) and now 50% have as many or more playoff wins as the Steelers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    Which qbs did cowher not evaluate correctly over his career?
    He picked Tee Martin over GOAT.
    He did not recognize Ben as a HOF caliber QB because you don’t draft a TACKLE before a HOF QB….EVER.

    Let me turn it around. What basis do YOU have to contend against the notion Cowher could judge QB talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Lemming View Post
    He picked Tee Martin over GOAT.
    He did not recognize Ben as a HOF caliber QB because you don’t draft a TACKLE before a HOF QB….EVER.

    Let me turn it around. What basis do YOU have to contend against the notion Cowher could judge QB talent.
    Ummmmm, based on your logic, every single HC and GM didn’t know how to evaluate qbs because they all passed him over a half dozen times.
    29 other teams also couldn’t recognize HOF qb talent in Ben because they didn’t draft him or make a move up to draft him.

    And just to play your game, cowher never drafted or traded up to draft any of those qbs that were all projected to be nfl studs that the other teams did during that same time.
    So actually, not doing so make him almost perfect during his time.

    Schools out, for now.
    Update:
    In the last decade, 25% of the league has won a super bowl(the Steelers aren't one of them) and now 50% have as many or more playoff wins as the Steelers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    Ummmmm, based on your logic, every single HC and GM didn’t know how to evaluate qbs because they all passed him over a half dozen times.
    29 other teams also couldn’t recognize HOF qb talent in Ben because they didn’t draft him or make a move up to draft him.

    And just to play your game, cowher never drafted or traded up to draft any of those qbs that were all projected to be nfl studs that the other teams did during that same time.
    So actually, not doing so make him almost perfect during his time.

    Schools out, for now.
    Oh please. You can understand other teams drafting highly ranked QBs. You can understand teams that did not draft ANY QBs.
    We drafted a similarly rated QB and evaluated WRONG.

    And Ben? That is just RIDICULOUS.
    There is a worlds difference in teams that don’t sell the farm to move up…many of which had their QB and US, nearly letting a franchise QB slip through our hands for a stinking TACKLE. We had a grocery store dude who was horrible the previous year?

    You have a case (albeit weak) regarding Brady.

    Ben? You are really not even in the stratosphere of logic on that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joel Buchsbaum View Post
    When Cowher took over he did broom an all and I don't think the team would have done any better with 37-38 year old QB who's arm went South. It would have been cool to have him, but he was a better fit playing Marty ball on a team older players that fit his style. Neil took his team to an AFC championship fame and a Super bowl, at this age Montana was done playing only 2 years with Kansas City so I think Bill made the right move.

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MontJo01.htm

    what talent on earth did NOD contribute to getting to a championship?? he was the definition of average or system QB.
    what was his his skill set and why was it better then another QB coming in and doing the same?
    i always think if he was as tough as stan humphries, he waits another second or 2 and sees the receiver break the hot routeon the game ending INT in the SB.
    humphries released the ball at the last possible second before getting smoked by chad brown throwing that winning TD to tony martin in the AFCC vs the chargers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Lemming View Post
    Oh please. You can understand other teams drafting highly ranked QBs. You can understand teams that did not draft ANY QBs.
    We drafted a similarly rated QB and evaluated WRONG.

    And Ben? That is just RIDICULOUS.
    There is a worlds difference in teams that don’t sell the farm to move up…many of which had their QB and US, nearly letting a franchise QB slip through our hands for a stinking TACKLE. We had a grocery store dude who was horrible the previous year?

    You have a case (albeit weak) regarding Brady.

    Ben? You are really not even in the stratosphere of logic on that one.
    Wrong but Nice try.
    If a team knew there was a HoF qb in the draft, they would make the move to get him.
    Period.
    Update:
    In the last decade, 25% of the league has won a super bowl(the Steelers aren't one of them) and now 50% have as many or more playoff wins as the Steelers.

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