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    Ontario is getting 254,500 doses of AZ next week, so they will be starting the second doses for those on one shot of AZ. Ontario has received 7,843,825 total doses of vaccines to date, but have only given out 6,629,363 of them. Pfizer deliveries will be robust in the next couple of months, so hopefully most of us on 1 shot get our dates moved up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o. View Post
    Canada has botched this pandemic and vaccine horribly since the beginning. Ontario, the most populous province in Canada, currently has a stay-at-home order that has been extended again until June 2. In terms of percentage of population vaccinated, we have less than 5% with both doses. Because of failures to secure vaccines, Canada has a 4 month delay between first and second dose. We are hoping that we will finally be able to cross the border freely, and return without restriction, at some point during the NFL season.
    damn.. I thought Canada would be on point but I guess when you depend on other countries for the vaccine it can be a logistical nightmare.

    India is one of the largest suppliers of vaccines yet didnít have enough for their own people. I believe part of their problem was not having the correct equipment to administer shots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    damn.. I thought Canada would be on point but I guess when you depend on other countries for the vaccine it can be a logistical nightmare.

    India is one of the largest suppliers of vaccines yet didnít have enough for their own people. I believe part of their problem was not having the correct equipment to administer shots.
    India lacks refrigeration country wide and these vaccines must be stored in cool. And even if they had the refrigeration their electricity is not all that reliable. A cooler full of vaccine could be destroyed in a single power outage. It also happens this is the hottest season for India. I know. I was there a couple of years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o. View Post
    Canada has botched this pandemic and vaccine horribly since the beginning. Ontario, the most populous province in Canada, currently has a stay-at-home order that has been extended again until June 2. In terms of percentage of population vaccinated, we have less than 5% with both doses. Because of failures to secure vaccines, Canada has a 4 month delay between first and second dose. We are hoping that we will finally be able to cross the border freely, and return without restriction, at some point during the NFL season.
    Amen to this!

    I know that my kids dearly miss their grandparents (and they miss seeing us too).

    I'm also hoping that delay ends up being shorter than is predicted. I think that the US is probably getting close to the saturation point where everyone that's going to get vaccinated will be done. Then, there will hopefully be much more supply available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Blitz View Post
    My understanding is that Canada is pretty locked down right now.

    And behind on vaccination since they didn't have internal development or big bucks to cut to the front of the line for distribution.

    My parents are in their late sixties & early 70s. They got their first shot, but were told it might be up to 4 months for their 2nd shot and that they might not get the same type for their first shot. That was about a month ago though, so maybe things are getting better on the supply side?

    We're itching to see my parents and in laws. But it's not currently worth it with the quarantining requirement in Canada (has to be in a hotel from what I understand) and we're also not totally sure how easy it would be to get back to the US (for non-citizen's like us...except my 3 year old).

    But assuming that T.O. is still in Ontario, it sounds much better than what I've heard about Montreal (and maybe the rest of Quebec?). But I find it really hard to tell what's legit reporting since every site seems to have a pretty strong political bias.
    So much for the Socialist paradise for medical care.

    Friends in most European countries complain that the government attempts at micromanaging has been an unmitigated disaster as they have tried to run the vaccine programs through their socialist medical systems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    So much for the Socialist paradise for medical care.

    Friends in most European countries complain that the government attempts at micromanaging has been an unmitigated disaster as they have tried to run the vaccine programs through their socialist medical systems.
    I was tempted to write that what Canada is seeing is an example of how putting price caps on things tends to lead to reduced supply.

    But, I don't think it really applies to this case because access to supply of the vaccines is very, very far away from a free market. I do think that's generally true (look at US hospital beds / capita, or ventilators per capita pre pandemic vs. Canada), but not the driver here.

    Everything about the delivery of this vaccine is "socialized" in pretty much every country. The US, which is supposedly against this stuff* backed the Brinks trucks up to the vaccine makers. And they were filled with money from the government, not the market.

    I'm not arguing that was a mistake. But I think it means that we can't really chalk up the differences in Canada and the US to one being socialized medicine and the other wasn't. I think it's that one country has ~ 50% of global GDP and the other has 2% (I let you guess which is which ) which gave one way more leverage when negotiating the socialized solution to vaccine delivery.

    * Despite being against nominally against "socialized medicine", my understanding is that the US spends about 1.5 times as much money per capita than Canada on the "socialized" part of the US healthcare system. Then they about double that with private money (total about 3x what Canadians spend on healthcare).

    To me that suggests that the issue isn't a lack of funding, it's inefficiencies in the system (e.g. lack of transparency on pricing, too many people in the middle of transactions, lack of competition across state lines, etc).

    My understanding is that outcomes aren't all that much different. Although I'd guess the US probably measures better on quantity of life because so much $$$ is spent trying to extend the last bit of life span. Since healthcare is rationed individually, this makes sense. People with the means would likely spend all they can to stay alive. Centralizing healthcare decisions probably leads to resources going to younger people that are more likely to recover while older people are likely shunted into more hospice like care earlier than they would be in the US (to avoid massive end of life costs). As someone who hopes they're still in the first half of their life this seems to make sense to me...but I reserve the right to change my mind in my 80s or so
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    View of PIT's schedule from the eyes of the opponent team. Bottomline; in addition to a SOS disadvantage the Steelers are getting hosed with schedule itself:

    Let's look at the Steelers' 2020 schedule and compare the opposing teams' prior week.

    Week 1: @ Buffalo Bills

    All things are equal in Week 1, so no advantage either way.

    Week 2: vs Los Vegas Raiders

    Raiders Week 1 opponent: vs Baltimore Ravens on MNF

    We immediately get a small advantage with the Raiders playing on MNF while we get a full week. That, in addition to flying across the country for a 1pm EST game, gives us a fairly strong schedule advantage for the home opener.

    Week 3: vs Cincinnati Bengals

    Bengals Week 2 opponent: @ Chicago Bears

    No advantage either way as both the Steelers and Bengals are coming of 1pm Sunday games.

    Week 4: @ Green Bay Packers

    Packers Week 3 opponent: @ San Francisco 49ers SNF

    The Packers will be coming off a Sunday night game where they'll have to fly home from San Francisco late into Monday morning, but this is a negligible schedule advantage if anything.

    Week 5: vs Denver Broncos

    Broncos Week 4 opponent: vs Baltimore Ravens

    No schedule advantage as both teams are coming off Sunday afternoon games.

    Week 6: vs Seattle Seahawks SNF

    Seahawks Week 5 opponent: vs Los Angeles Rams TNF

    In the Steelers' first primetime game of the season, the Seahawks will be getting a strong advantage with a mini-bye between Week 5 and 6. The Steelers are getting 2 home games in a row, so it's not like they'll have to deal with travel issues, but the Seahawks should still have the schedule advantage.

    Week 7: BYE

    Week 8: @ Cleveland Browns

    Browns Week 7 opponent: vs Denver Broncos TNF

    The Steelers get somewhat robbed of their bye week advantage with the Browns playing on Thursday night the week before. They'll have 10 days rest to the Steelers' 14, which means both teams should be plenty fresh.

    Week 9: vs Chicago Bears MNF

    Bears Week 8 opponent: vs San Francisco 49ers

    Both teams will have 8 days rest going into their MNF game.

    Week 10: vs Detroit Lions

    Lions Week 9 opponent: BYE

    The Steelers are at a major schedule disadvantage. Not only are they coming off a MNF game, but the Lions are coming off a BYE week. They'll have 14 days rest to the Steelers' 6.

    Week 11: @ Los Angeles Chargers SNF

    Chargers Week 10 opponent: vs Minnesota Vikings

    Both teams are coming off Sunday afternoon games, so no advantage either way. The Steelers' usually have trouble traveling West, however, and this is their longest trip of the season.

    Week 12: @ Cincinnati Bengals

    Bengals Week 11 opponent: @ Las Vegas Raiders

    Both teams coming off Sunday games, but the Steelers would be at a slight disadvantage due to flying across the country late into Sunday night/Monday morning.

    Week 13: vs Baltimore Ravens

    Ravens Week 12 opponent: vs Cleveland Browns SNF

    The Ravens will be coming off a primetime game against another division opponent, but there's no real schedule advantage either way.

    Week 14: @ Minnesota Vikings TNF

    Vikings Week 13 opponent: at Detroit Lions

    Both teams have a short week before the Thursday night game, but the travel differences are negligible.

    Week 15: vs Tennessee Titans

    Titans Week 14 opponent: vs Jacksonville Jaguars.

    The Steelers finally get another break in the schedule, with a solid advantage over the Titans. They'll be coming off their TNF game while the Titans play Sunday afternoon.

    Week 16: @ Kansas City Chiefs

    Chiefs Week 15 opponent: @ Los Angeles Chargers TNF

    The Steelers immediately face the same schedule disadvantage that the Titans saw the week before. In one of the biggest games of the season, they'll be at a 7 day to 10 day schedule disadvantage, in addition to being on the road.

    Week 17: vs Cleveland Browns MNF

    Browns Week 16 opponent: @ Green Bay Packers Saturday

    The schedule makers again give a divisional rival an advantage, as the Browns will play on Saturday the week before. That gives them 9 days rest to the Steelers' 8 going into the MNF game.

    Week 18: Baltimore Ravens

    Ravens Week 17 opponent: vs Los Angeles Rams

    The Steelers are coming off a MNF game and the Ravens will have a full work week going into the final game of the regular season. Let's hope this game gets flexed to primetime with both teams fighting for playoff positioning, but either way the Ravens will get the advantage.

    Final tally

    Games with Steelers' advantage: 3

    Games with Steelers' disadvantage: 5

    Net days rest vs opponents: -8

    In a perfect world, every team's schedule advantages and disadvantages should even out. But in this world, the Steelers have it nearly as bad as it gets for the 2021 season. In total, the Steelers will be working with 8 fewer days of rest than their opponents. They face a schedule disadvantage for each of their final 3 games of the season. The biggest advantage they get (their bye week) is nerfed by the Browns getting a mini-bye as well, and the biggest disadvantage is the Lions getting their bye while the Steelers play on Monday night. They face schedule disadvantages in two divisional games, both in January, and arguably a third due to cross-country travel after a primetime game. While they do get a solid advantage over the Browns in Week 8, as I mentioned earlier the advantage is cut nearly in half by giving the Browns extra rest as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    So much for the Socialist paradise for medical care.

    Friends in most European countries complain that the government attempts at micromanaging has been an unmitigated disaster as they have tried to run the vaccine programs through their socialist medical systems.
    lmao at socialist paradise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Blitz View Post
    I was tempted to write that what Canada is seeing is an example of how putting price caps on things tends to lead to reduced supply.

    But, I don't think it really applies to this case because access to supply of the vaccines is very, very far away from a free market. I do think that's generally true (look at US hospital beds / capita, or ventilators per capita pre pandemic vs. Canada), but not the driver here.

    Everything about the delivery of this vaccine is "socialized" in pretty much every country. The US, which is supposedly against this stuff* backed the Brinks trucks up to the vaccine makers. And they were filled with money from the government, not the market.

    I'm not arguing that was a mistake. But I think it means that we can't really chalk up the differences in Canada and the US to one being socialized medicine and the other wasn't. I think it's that one country has ~ 50% of global GDP and the other has 2% (I let you guess which is which ) which gave one way more leverage when negotiating the socialized solution to vaccine delivery.

    * Despite being against nominally against "socialized medicine", my understanding is that the US spends about 1.5 times as much money per capita than Canada on the "socialized" part of the US healthcare system. Then they about double that with private money (total about 3x what Canadians spend on healthcare).

    To me that suggests that the issue isn't a lack of funding, it's inefficiencies in the system (e.g. lack of transparency on pricing, too many people in the middle of transactions, lack of competition across state lines, etc).

    My understanding is that outcomes aren't all that much different. Although I'd guess the US probably measures better on quantity of life because so much $$$ is spent trying to extend the last bit of life span. Since healthcare is rationed individually, this makes sense. People with the means would likely spend all they can to stay alive. Centralizing healthcare decisions probably leads to resources going to younger people that are more likely to recover while older people are likely shunted into more hospice like care earlier than they would be in the US (to avoid massive end of life costs). As someone who hopes they're still in the first half of their life this seems to make sense to me...but I reserve the right to change my mind in my 80s or so
    good post. Its always suspect when people “have friends in socialist countries” vs actually hearing directly from people who lived in a “socialized paradise”

    not sure how anyone could even use the socialist argument when talking about the vaccine since its available to everyone in America.. and its free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    good post. Its always suspect when people “have friends in socialist countries” vs actually hearing directly from people who lived in a “socialized paradise”

    not sure how anyone could even use the socialist argument when talking about the vaccine since its available to everyone in America.. and its free.
    The wealthiest countries feast while the rest fight for the scraps.

    The are issues with every healthcare system in the world.

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