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    PIT Roster Moves to be Made

    .....According to SI; I think the author is dreaming if he thinks anyone will trade for Samuels...

    https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/gm-r...rce=reddit.com


    3 Moves You Can Expect the Steelers to Still Make This Offseason
    The Pittsburgh Steelers have plenty of things left on their to-do list this summer.
    NOAH STRACKBEIN20 HOURS AGO
    So, what's next for the Pittsburgh Steelers? With plenty of offseason left and questions remaining, you'd have to believe they have another move or two up their sleeve this summer.


    And they have options. The Steelers can look to fill some depth, work out some contracts or spice things up in the trade market. Essentially, everything is on the table for general manager Kevin Colbert and head coach Mike Tomlin at this point.


    Really, though, expect three things to be some of the first you see from this point on.


    Signing an Edge Rusher
    It seems apparent that the Steelers are interested in, or at least considering, a veteran edge rusher to add to their room. Right now, the outside linebacker depth consists of Cassius Marsh and Quincy Roche behind T.J. Watt and Alex Highsmith. Okay -- not great.


    The Steelers could go one of two ways with this, signing a veteran with starting experience like Justin Houston or Melvin Ingram. They could also approach former members of the team like Jayrone Elliott or Anthony Chickillo.


    If you're putting money on it, Chickillo and Elliott are the safest bet. General manager Kevin Colbert always tends to put some cash away for depth pieces they don't have to do too much guesswork with.


    Signing T.J. Watt
    The Steelers are very likely on the verge of signing their superstar edge rusher to a major deal. Watt is about to enter the final year of his rookie contract, and history tells us this team usually secures their defensive players the year before their deal ends.


    Steelers president Art Rooney II said earlier this offseason that the team is determined to keep Watt around long-term.

    "TJ has another year on his contract," Rooney said. "We look at him as a key player in our future. I can assure you we're going to do everything we can to keep him on the roster."

    NFL.com predicts Watt's contract exceeds Joey Bosa's or Myles Garrett's, putting him in the $27 million and above club. It would make him the highest-paid player at the position.


    Trading Extra Pieces
    The Steelers usually toss their fourth and fifth draft picks around in trades towards the later part of the offseason, but this year could be different. With their fourth-round pick already gone, players could become available, and their excess depth at two offensive roles is where they'll likely start.

    Josh Dobbs and Jaylen Samuels are the names that come to mind. Dobbs has already been dealt once during his time in Pittsburgh, being traded to the Jacksonville Jaguars in 2019 for a fifth-round pick. With Dwayne Haskins and Mason Rudolph on the roster, maybe the Steelers don't need a fourth quarterback.

    Samuels is about to begin the final year of his contract on a team with no significant plans for him. Benny Snell Jr. and Anthony McFarland bring more potential and time with them into 2021, and Najee Harris is the starter. Again, why have four players when you don't need all of them?

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    How would signing Watt work this year? Would that money be on next years cap after June 1st?
    Tomlinís coming back so what can you do?


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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    How would signing Watt work this year? Would that money be on next years cap after June 1st?
    From what I've heard it will probably be something close to a wash on the cap.

    He's on his 5th year option right now, so his cap hit is the full ~ $10M he's owed.

    I think the new deal will "over write" the 5th year option.

    He'll get a massive signing bonus (because we don't do guaranteed years) that will get spread over 5 years (assuming it's a 5 year deal or longer). But we'll probably dramatically reduce his salary in year 1 vs. his current $10M salary.

    So, his cap hit this year will be [1st year salary + signing_bonus/5].

    This podcast is from January, but Joel Corry (former NFL agent) and the first half is all about projecting TJ's contract
    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000505533326
    • He thinks TJ will have a good chance to be the highest paid non-QB in the league.
    • That it will be a total of 5 years (extension of 4 years + the year he's already under contract).
    • that we'll have to jack up the signing bonus because we don't include guaranteed salaries. He specifically says he expects "the biggest signing bonus in history", but I don't know if he's only talking about non-QBs.
    • Thinks he'll take home > $90M in the first 3 years, but that the average value will be something less than $30/year, maybe something between $28.5 - $30M.
    • Doesn't think there will be any cap relief for this year.
    • He later estimates (~11 minutes) a signing bonus of something like $40M ($8M pro-ration / year). His minimum allowable salary is something like $990k. So it looks like we could save ~ $1M on the cap this year in that case if we wanted to. My thought here: Or we could have the salary be at $2M, no cap savings this year, save the cap savings for later years.
    • Gives a couple other possible numbers if the bonus is up to $45M.
    • From this discussion, it sounds like his cap hit will be + / - $1M of what it is now. Probably something like a push.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Blitz View Post
    From what I've heard it will probably be something close to a wash on the cap.

    He's on his 5th year option right now, so his cap hit is the full ~ $10M he's owed.

    I think the new deal will "over write" the 5th year option.

    He'll get a massive signing bonus (because we don't do guaranteed years) that will get spread over 5 years (assuming it's a 5 year deal or longer). But we'll probably dramatically reduce his salary in year 1 vs. his current $10M salary.

    So, his cap hit this year will be [1st year salary + signing_bonus/5].

    This podcast is from January, but Joel Corry (former NFL agent) and the first half is all about projecting TJ's contract
    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000505533326
    • He thinks TJ will have a good chance to be the highest paid non-QB in the league.
    • That it will be a total of 5 years (extension of 4 years + the year he's already under contract).
    • that we'll have to jack up the signing bonus because we don't include guaranteed salaries. He specifically says he expects "the biggest signing bonus in history", but I don't know if he's only talking about non-QBs.
    • Thinks he'll take home > $90M in the first 3 years, but that the average value will be something less than $30/year, maybe something between $28.5 - $30M.
    • Doesn't think there will be any cap relief for this year.
    • He later estimates (~11 minutes) a signing bonus of something like $40M ($8M pro-ration / year). His minimum allowable salary is something like $990k. So it looks like we could save ~ $1M on the cap this year in that case if we wanted to. My thought here: Or we could have the salary be at $2M, no cap savings this year, save the cap savings for later years.
    • Gives a couple other possible numbers if the bonus is up to $45M.
    • From this discussion, it sounds like his cap hit will be + / - $1M of what it is now. Probably something like a push.
    I know the Steelers feel like they have to do it. But that is a LOT of money to tie up on the defensive side of the ball. Was it Washington that signed some massive DT deal a few years back and the guy never lived up to the contract? Not saying Watt will disappear but the team is taking on a huge risk, especially for injury (JJ had his share in the second half of his career).

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    I know the Steelers feel like they have to do it. But that is a LOT of money to tie up on the defensive side of the ball. Was it Washington that signed some massive DT deal a few years back and the guy never lived up to the contract? Not saying Watt will disappear but the team is taking on a huge risk, especially for injury (JJ had his share in the second half of his career).
    I always worry about big contracts like this. I was on record as not liking Cam's last extension. Although he played well this year outside of the playoff game where everyone sucked.

    I get the apprehension because it's so much money. And there's really no way to outplay a contract like this.

    But I guess the "good news" here is (1) he should be in his prime so as long as he doesn't get hurt too often he will hopefully live up to the contract (especially by years 4 and 5 where the market should keep going up), and (2) we probably won't be playing market rate for a QB over the length of this deal.

    If we did have to juggle paying Watt along with Ben (and Fitz will probably be expensive too) this would be a lot more difficult. But I'm hoping that we'll be OK with the one. Heyward (and maybe Tuitt) will probably be off the books by the time this contract ends as well. We'll have a pretty young team in the near future I think. So having an elite player or two will really help IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    How would signing Watt work this year? Would that money be on next years cap after June 1st?
    depends on contract structure, i think... extensions can be "additional years"
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerOfDeVille View Post
    depends on contract structure, i think... extensions can be "additional years"
    when I see 27 mill per and 90 mill over 3 years that is insane.

    I like Watt but that is the type of contract that actually hampers are ability to retain talent.
    Tomlinís coming back so what can you do?


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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    when I see 27 mill per and 90 mill over 3 years that is insane.

    I like Watt but that is the type of contract that actually hampers are ability to retain talent.
    that's crazy $$$ for a non-QB, not sure I would want to pay him that much.

    he's a great player, but totally disappeared in the playoff game against the Browns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteel View Post
    that's crazy $$$ for a non-QB, not sure I would want to pay him that much.

    he's a great player, but totally disappeared in the playoff game against the Browns.
    I’ve been waiting for the day we aren’t handcuffed by a franchise QB contract..

    and now we will be handcuffed by an OLB’s contract.. lol.

    I think we keep Watt but not at that price.
    Tomlinís coming back so what can you do?


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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    I’ve been waiting for the day we aren’t handcuffed by a franchise QB contract..

    and now we will be handcuffed by an OLB’s contract.. lol.

    I think we keep Watt but not at that price.
    only if he agrees to some sort of a hometown discount.

    4 yrs $100 mil maybe?

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