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    Quote Originally Posted by NJ-STEELER View Post
    i've said this multiple times on here and yet i keep seeing the same stat over and over.

    do me a favor and just go look at one of those brief highlight thingies on youtube so you ( and maybe everyone) knows i'm not making this up.

    there was exactly 1 bad (play) interception by rothelisberger that led to a 28-7 browns lead.
    are you faulting him (4 ints you stated) for the ball going right thru DJs hands? something we aw DJ do all year.... led the league in dropped passes.
    just how in the hell did "he throw away the game early"
    the whole team stunk. pouncy, DJ, one of the top ranked defenses.
    unfortunately thats not the first time we've seen a tomlin led team get outperformed that badly in the postseason

    to expect a comeback or" great stats" down by that much that early is wishful thinking. i would hope a playoff team's defense can tee off in such a situation. I would certainly expect ours to do the same
    DL disappeared that day (actually Stefanski did a masterful job scheming to neutralize them. Prior to that game Mayfield's time to throw was one of the longest in the league. But in that game it was out of his hands very quick. And you can't discount Chubbs running through the line like a sieve).
    I'd put two INTs on Roethlisberger. The second being the batted ball. He had a ton of them during the season because defenses could time the release so easily.

    EDIT: I should also say that regardless of the play in the trenches turnovers usually tell the story of a game, especially in the playoffs.
    Last edited by NorthCoast; 05-16-2021 at 08:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJ-STEELER View Post
    when bell was on the team they were much more balanced with the run and pass. lots of people even said they ran the wheels off bell.
    so who is at fault for not addressing that area in the draft, for picking (in 6 years) 9 out of 12 defensive players in the first 2 rounds of the draft?

    other pass heavy teams have addressed that part of the offense with high picks or free agency. the saints for example bringing in mark ingram and drafting kamara. pats used a 1st rounder on sony michel even when brady could throw the ball on every down and be successful

    before this year tomlin, colbert and company thought they could fix that area with an over drafted local guy james conner, and two or three other 3rd day picks
    is it starting to sink in yet what drafting one sided on a certain side of the ball does to other areas of the team?
    Because defensively they were poor in the stopping the pass. At one point prior to drafting Watt, Bush, and trading for Fitz they were 30th in the NFL in passing yds allowed. In a passing league you're not gonna win a championship that way.
    I've said before the Steelers last good chance at a SB with Roethlisberger was 2017. Unfortunately the loss of Shazier late in the season left them with little chance to recover with guys on the roster. Too many pieces started changing after that season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJ-STEELER View Post
    so you're saying Ben has more say with the team then tomlin does?

    Am i interpreting that correctly?
    No. HCs have more say over the direction of the overall team.

    Franchise QBs have a different set of power than HC's. Again, teams have a difficult time winning consistently without franchise QBs regardless of coaching.

    Who do you think goes first if a franchise QB and HC don't get a long? It's not about demanding anything. It's about creating a good, working, and ultimately winning relationship for the organization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJ-STEELER View Post
    i've said this multiple times on here and yet i keep seeing the same stat over and over.

    do me a favor and just go look at one of those brief highlight thingies on youtube so you ( and maybe everyone) knows i'm not making this up.

    there was exactly 1 bad (play) interception by rothelisberger that led to a 28-7 browns lead.
    are you faulting him (4 ints you stated) for the ball going right thru DJs hands? something we aw DJ do all year.... led the league in dropped passes.
    just how in the hell did "he throw away the game early"
    the whole team stunk. pouncy, DJ, one of the top ranked defenses.
    unfortunately thats not the first time we've seen a tomlin led team get outperformed that badly in the postseason

    to expect a comeback or" great stats" down by that much that early is wishful thinking. i would hope a playoff team's defense can tee off in such a situation. I would certainly expect ours to do the same
    The WR also has some fault in the picks (just like the D has blame for getting run over).

    Here's the clip:


    First pick is at ~0:27. Terrible throw feet over the targets head. This was our 2nd turnover in the first ~ 4 minutes of the game.

    Second pick is at 1:35. This one is better, but also high. Maybe the WR could have / should have had this. But it's also a bad throw. Putting all the blame on the WR is like putting all the blame for the Brown's first TD on Ben because he should have dove on the ball or kicked it out the back of the end zone. Maybe there was something they could have done better there, but there's a reason they were in a bad position. This one is probably about 50 / 50

    3rd pick is at 2:58. This one is batted down at the line. This has been happening to Ben a lot recently. How much of that do you put on the QB? This stuff happens. But it matters less if you are successful on other plays. Which he generally wasn't to this point.

    4th pick (10:23): Looks like he didn't see the guy underneath on this one. This one mattered less because the game was basically over at this point anyway.

    So, the 1st and 4th are all on Ben.

    The 2nd is a combination of Ben struggling with accuracy and the receiver not making what would have been a nice fingertip catch.

    The 3rd one is essentially a really good play by their DL. But one that has been happening a lot lately. How much of that is the QB (release point, predictable decisions, etc), the OL (get's caved in all the time), or just good D? This is the one that's on Ben the least IMO.

    Not sure how you can think that 3 picks in 6 series isn't horrible for a QB. Even when there are some excuses there for why it's not all on him. If you want to argue that it's the best a QB has ever played while turning it over every second series, I'm OK with that. But it's still terrible.
    Last edited by Northern_Blitz; 05-16-2021 at 10:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJ-STEELER View Post
    so you're saying Ben has more say with the team then tomlin does?

    Am i interpreting that correctly?
    I think this was more or less true with the selection of the last OC. Which happened after Ben threatened to retire if they didn't fire the last OC. I think it's pretty clear Fitchner was hired to appease Ben.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Blitz View Post
    I think this was more or less true with the selection of the last OC. Which happened after Ben threatened to retire if they didn't fire the last OC. I think it's pretty clear Fitchner was hired to appease Ben.
    I’m glad you said this before I did. Thanks.
    From the 2010-2020 season, (A 10 year period that the majority of Cowher's players & coaches had left) Mike Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games. And two of those wins were against back up Quarterbacks.

    Dolphin fans in the 90ís who wanted to hold on to Don Shula for what he did in the playoffs in the 70ís...
    Are the same as Steeler fans (of 2020 ) holding on to Tomlin for what he did in 2008, with Cowher's players & coaches

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Blitz View Post
    I think this was more or less true with the selection of the last OC. Which happened after Ben threatened to retire if they didn't fire the last OC. I think it's pretty clear Fitchner was hired to appease Ben.
    I agree, which is how we ended up with our pass-happy offense ranking dead last in the league in rushing.
    Dolphin fans in the 90ís who wanted to hold on to Don Shula for what he did in the playoffs in the 70ís...

    Were absolutely correct. Miami hasn't won squat ever since Shula left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJ-STEELER View Post
    i've said this multiple times on here and yet i keep seeing the same stat over and over.

    do me a favor and just go look at one of those brief highlight thingies on youtube so you ( and maybe everyone) knows i'm not making this up.

    there was exactly 1 bad (play) interception by rothelisberger that led to a 28-7 browns lead.
    are you faulting him (4 ints you stated) for the ball going right thru DJs hands? something we aw DJ do all year.... led the league in dropped passes.
    just how in the hell did "he throw away the game early"
    the whole team stunk. pouncy, DJ, one of the top ranked defenses.
    unfortunately thats not the first time we've seen a tomlin led team get outperformed that badly in the postseason

    to expect a comeback or" great stats" down by that much that early is wishful thinking. i would hope a playoff team's defense can tee off in such a situation. I would certainly expect ours to do the same
    That was a team loss; Not a loss solely on Ben. Ben wasn't on the field when the defense let Jarvis Landry get a 40 yard TD pass. There are multiple examples of various team failure in that game. Not just Ben. But if you say that it were multiple areas of failure, then the obvious question you have to ask is, " Who's responsible for the team (as a whole) being prepared to play?" And we all know the answer to that...so to deflect, the new game now is to blame everything on Ben and not on the person who's suppose to have the team (as a whole) prepared to play a playoff game.
    From the 2010-2020 season, (A 10 year period that the majority of Cowher's players & coaches had left) Mike Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games. And two of those wins were against back up Quarterbacks.

    Dolphin fans in the 90ís who wanted to hold on to Don Shula for what he did in the playoffs in the 70ís...
    Are the same as Steeler fans (of 2020 ) holding on to Tomlin for what he did in 2008, with Cowher's players & coaches

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Maniac View Post
    That was a team loss; Not a loss solely on Ben. Ben wasn't on the field when the defense let Jarvis Landry get a 40 yard TD pass. There are multiple examples of various team failure in that game. Not just Ben. But if you say that it were multiple areas of failure, then the obvious question you have to ask is, " Who's responsible for the team (as a whole) being prepared to play?" And we all know the answer to that...so to deflect, the new game now is to blame everything on Ben and not on the person who's suppose to have the team (as a whole) prepared to play a playoff game.
    it's a team game, everyone shares in the blame when we lose and the credit when we win.

    that's why your blaming everything on Tomlin is as illogical as blaming everything on Ben.
    Dolphin fans in the 90ís who wanted to hold on to Don Shula for what he did in the playoffs in the 70ís...

    Were absolutely correct. Miami hasn't won squat ever since Shula left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Maniac View Post
    That was a team loss; Not a loss solely on Ben. Ben wasn't on the field when the defense let Jarvis Landry get a 40 yard TD pass. There are multiple examples of various team failure in that game. Not just Ben. But if you say that it were multiple areas of failure, then the obvious question you have to ask is, " Who's responsible for the team (as a whole) being prepared to play?" And we all know the answer to that...so to deflect, the new game now is to blame everything on Ben and not on the person who's suppose to have the team (as a whole) prepared to play a playoff game.
    Do you think Ben wasn't prepared to play the Browns or that our defense wasn't prepared for Jarvis Landry? They just played them the week before with our back up QB and almost won. The players had all the information they needed to beat the Browns, the only thing left was to go on the field and execute and they didn't it.

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