Stuck in the Past

[Eich]

The get rid of Tomlin solves all problems take is assanine. More likely to fail than be successful. Just look at the NFL every year

More asinine is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Only 4 out of 17 seasons with a playoff win. None in the past 7. How long do you keep that up? Every coach has a shelf life. Ours might be past his expiration date. As a fan, I have no choice but to cheer him and the team on but as the show says, c'mon man, at some point, you can't just keep holding onto the past.

I enjoyed Tomlin for the first half of his career. I think his approach is getting stale on THIS team. Hoping he proves me wrong. But it's definitely not "more likely to fail than be successful" by replacing him. EVERY TIME we replaced a head coach since the 60's, it's been VERY successful early on. And there came a time to move on.

[Eich]

And while a franchise QB is almost an absolute necessity to win a ring, a team can still make noise in the playoffs without one. The Rats won it all with Dilfer. We haven't made noise in the playoffs in "forever" in football time.

[feltdizz]

lmao

truth be told, I would have no problem if we went 9-8 again and won a playoff game.l this year to show some improvement

[feltdizz]

More asinine is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Only 4 out of 17 seasons with a playoff win. None in the past 7. How long do you keep that up? Every coach has a shelf life. Ours might be past his expiration date. As a fan, I have no choice but to cheer him and the team on but as the show says, c'mon man, at some point, you can't just keep holding onto the past.

I enjoyed Tomlin for the first half of his career. I think his approach is getting stale on THIS team. Hoping he proves me wrong. But it's definitely not "more likely to fail than be successful" by replacing him. EVERY TIME we replaced a head coach since the 60's, it's been VERY successful early on. And there came a time to move on.

Definitely rooting for Tomlin to turn things around this year but you are 100% correct.

Ovi acts like we have a history of failing when we get a new coach. Its the exact opposite, we have success when we have to replace a HC.

What’s funny is Ovi spent 3 years blasting Lebeau who has been the DC for every SB appearance since the 70’s but Tomlin gets a lifetime contract with much worse results the last 6 years without Lebeau.

[Mr.wizard]

I think the point was if you trust the Steelers to identify coaching talent then why don't you trust their judgment when giving Tomlin an extension.

[feltdizz]

I think the point was if you trust the Steelers to identify coaching talent then why don't you trust their judgment when giving Tomlin an extension.

Doesn?t make sense based on the results on the field the last 6 years.

When a team keeps hovering around 8 to 10 wins and gets blown out in the playoffs I put more trust in finding the next guy vs sticking with the same guy.

[Eich]

Doesn?t make sense based on the results on the field the last 6 years.

When a team keeps hovering around 8 to 10 wins and gets blown out in the playoffs I put more trust in finding the next guy vs sticking with the same guy.

THIS.

We haven't been competitive in the playoffs in a very long time. And on D, what Pittsburgh is supposed to be known for, we're allowing 30, 40+ points.

We have become the team that EVERYONE wants to play in the first round. That's unacceptable IMO. If it continues, I don't see Tomlin playing out this contract.

[feltdizz]

THIS.

We haven't been competitive in the playoffs in a very long time. And on D, what Pittsburgh is supposed to be known for, we're allowing 30, 40+ points.

We have become the team that EVERYONE wants to play in the first round. That's unacceptable IMO. If it continues, I don't see Tomlin playing out this contract.

Not sure how anyone can even try using the “trust the FO” based on the last 3 or 4 playoff losses.

Now, if winning 9 games is the goal then. sure, Tomlin is the guy. He can get an ugly team to 9 wins which is impressive. He can also take a talented 12 team and somehow also get them to 9 wins due to losing to a few bottom feeders which isn’t good IMO.

but if we are talking playoff success and SB’s. Tomlin hasn’t done that since 2016 and that is an eternity for this franchise.

[Mr.wizard]

Doesn?t make sense based on the results on the field the last 6 years.

When a team keeps hovering around 8 to 10 wins and gets blown out in the playoffs I put more trust in finding the next guy vs sticking with the same guy.

But it's the same front office saying this is the guy, or do they only get new coaches right?

[Joel Buchsbaum]

We're an organization that lives in its past glories. We're behind in the modern game. We're stuck with ancient strategies of ground and pound on offense and a fundamentally flawed belief that defense wins championships.

No they don't. These strategies get you the ridiculous, "we haven't had a losing season streak" narrative and an early exit from the playoffs. The goal should be winning the Superbowl not extending the streak.

In 2024 nothing will change. We're downright arrogant. We have an entitled HC who will never have to answer for the team's subpar performances. Never.

So the question for today is did management make a huge mistake when they extended Mike Tomlin?

Why indeed. The decision to extend Tomiln who has not won a playoff game in the past seven years, likey it will be eight REEKS. As they say that standard remains the standard. Part of the reason why Tomlin was extended was racial politics, the other part was his faith. Football was obviously the first reason, but fans would be stupid to think they weren't other factors which align closely with Art Rooney II. It takes a pair of stones to admit it. A beat writer can ask Art if he dares.

Mike a great guy to have a beer with, but far from a great coach.

[feltdizz]

But it's the same front office saying this is the guy, or do they only get new coaches right?

I think track record has shown that our chances of a new coach having success is much higher than an older coach catching lightning in a bottle.

Tomlin’s ability to guide us to non losing seasons works against us because we will never be in a position to get a HOFer QB in the draft.

and keep in mind, Tomlin is a HOF coach but so was Noll and how did he fair the last 7 years in Pittsburgh?

it wasn’t pretty.

edit: this is why I say this is the year Tomlin and Khan are geniuses if it works but if it fails.. watch out. Khan is safe but I think Tomlin will tap out if it ends the same. We have Wilson…and Fields which may he the closest we get to a HOF QB. But I still think the D is no where near the Lebeau D’s that helped win chips.

[feltdizz]

Why indeed. The decision to extend Tomiln who has not won a playoff game in the past seven years, likey it will be eight REEKS. As they say that standard remains the standard. Part of the reason why Tomlin was extended was racial politics, the other part was his faith. Football was obviously the first reason, but fans would be stupid to think they weren't other factors which align closely with Art Rooney II. It takes a pair of stones to admit it. A beat writer can ask Art if he dares.

Mike a great guy to have a beer with, but far from a great coach.

Has nothing to do with faith or race. We are just a patient FO who moves at glacier speeds when it comes to head coaches.

[NorthCoast]

I think track record has shown that our chances of a new coach having success is much higher than an older coach catching lightning in a bottle.

Tomlin’s ability to guide us to non losing seasons works against us because we will never be in a position to get a HOFer QB in the draft.

and keep in mind, Tomlin is a HOF coach but so was Noll and how did he fair the last 7 years in Pittsburgh?

it wasn’t pretty.

edit: this is why I say this is the year Tomlin and Khan are geniuses if it works but if it fails.. watch out. Khan is safe but I think Tomlin will tap out if it ends the same. We have Wilson…and Fields which may he the closest we get to a HOF QB. But I still think the D is no where near the Lebeau D’s that helped win chips.

HOF QB?! I'd take league average at this point.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Has nothing to do with faith or race. We are just a patient FO who moves at glacier speeds when it comes to head coaches.

Tomiln was a Rooney Rule hire. Saldy race is still a small factor is football and it is in Tomiln's favor with the owner and the media in genreal.

[feltdizz]

Tomiln was a Rooney Rule hire. Saldy race is still a small factor is football and it is in Tomiln's favor with the owner and the media in genreal.

Tomlin is just like Cowher. Relatively unknown coach who succeeded due to being in a solid organization that drafts well and played a physical brand of football. The rule changes have impacted our best quality as Steeler fans. Knocking teams into the dirt.

Our next coach will need to be more X and O and offense minded.