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  • Oviedo
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    • May 2008
    • 23790

    Dramatic improvement dumping Pickett

    Najee's opinion

    It’s become a backhanded compliment by numerous critics, and understandably so. Mike Tomlin took over as head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers in 2007. He’s yet
    "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"
  • NorthCoast
    Legend
    • Sep 2008
    • 26381

    #2
    Originally posted by Oviedo
    A nice quote in another writeup on that page:

    Ultimately, we are living in an NFL world where starting quarterbacks are given even less runway to take off. You can either fly the plane or you can't. There shall be no learning on the job, bruh.
    Yea, who wants to fly in a plane with a pilot learning on the job?!....

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    • WindyCitySteel
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      • Nov 2011
      • 15586

      #3
      He didn't say that, he basically cited the transaction logs.

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      • Buzz
        Legend
        • Dec 2017
        • 8317

        #4
        Not saying Pickett would've turned out to be a franchise QB, but I agree with Warren Sharp that the way the Steelers handled him was "embarrassing"

        When Ben Roethlisberger retired after the 2021 season, the Pittsburgh Steelers believed they had found his successor in the 2022 draft by selecting Kenny Pickett in the first round. That wasn’t quite how things worked out. After only two seasons with the Steelers, neither of which was very inspiring, Pickett reportedly requested a trade, not […]


        I hope Tomlin & Co. have learned something from their mistakes, but I sorta doubt they have.

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        • Joel Buchsbaum
          Legend
          • Jan 2021
          • 7664

          #5
          Originally posted by Buzz
          Not saying Pickett would've turned out to be a franchise QB, but I agree with Warren Sharp that the way the Steelers handled him was "embarrassing"

          When Ben Roethlisberger retired after the 2021 season, the Pittsburgh Steelers believed they had found his successor in the 2022 draft by selecting Kenny Pickett in the first round. That wasn’t quite how things worked out. After only two seasons with the Steelers, neither of which was very inspiring, Pickett reportedly requested a trade, not […]


          I hope Tomlin & Co. have learned something from their mistakes, but I sorta doubt they have.
          Via @SharpFootball's 2024 preview book:

          Matt Canada's reign:

          #29 in yards/play
          #29 in designed pass rate
          #30 in third down avoidance
          #2 most total third down attempts
          #28 in total offensive points scored
          #28 in points/minute of possession
          #32 in explosive plays
          Part of this is on coaching, part is on the players. I think Pickett was weak. The way it was handled by Tomlin is embarrassing.
          Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

          Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

          *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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          • Polamalubeast
            Backup
            • Jul 2023
            • 301

            #6
            Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
            Part of this is on coaching, part is on the players. I think Pickett was weak. The way it was handled by Tomlin is embarrassing.
            Yeah both can be true...The ceilling of Kenny is way too low in the current NFL but this is true he had no chance with the steelers

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            • NorthCoast
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              • Sep 2008
              • 26381

              #7
              Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
              Part of this is on coaching, part is on the players. I think Pickett was weak. The way it was handled by Tomlin is embarrassing.
              80% player, 20% coaching.... that's the way it's always been. Both are needed for 100%.
              If you have a coach that is a "zero" then the players have to make up that other 20%. OTOH, if you have players that are 70%, then the coach has to find a way to come up with the other 10%, plus add in his 20%. Clearly, there is a limit to the effect a coach has, so below average players will eventually lead to changes.

              KP was a far below average QB depending on what metric you wish to focus on. Interestingly, he had two shining stats; wins and INTs. The "wins" didn't look all that sustainable. The INTs are a positive he can build on.

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              • feltdizz
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                • May 2008
                • 27296

                #8
                The most damaging stat isn?t listed.

                Play Action stats
                36/46 365 yards 2TD?s, 0 INT, 78% comp, 113 pass rtg, 8.5 ypa

                Why in the hell did we only call play action 46 times when clearly that was Kenny?s sweat spot?

                That is a head scratcher. We should?ve run PA on half his pass plays.
                Last edited by feltdizz; 07-15-2024, 08:59 AM.
                Steelers 27
                Rats 16

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                • Oviedo
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 23790

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Buzz
                  Not saying Pickett would've turned out to be a franchise QB, but I agree with Warren Sharp that the way the Steelers handled him was "embarrassing"

                  When Ben Roethlisberger retired after the 2021 season, the Pittsburgh Steelers believed they had found his successor in the 2022 draft by selecting Kenny Pickett in the first round. That wasn’t quite how things worked out. After only two seasons with the Steelers, neither of which was very inspiring, Pickett reportedly requested a trade, not […]


                  I hope Tomlin & Co. have learned something from their mistakes, but I sorta doubt they have.
                  What was embarrassing? Pickett was just another QB fail that happens every year

                  His physical talent was just not good enough for the NFL. After two years the team saw this and cut their losses.

                  nothing embarrassing about this at all
                  "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                  • feltdizz
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 27296

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Buzz
                    Not saying Pickett would've turned out to be a franchise QB, but I agree with Warren Sharp that the way the Steelers handled him was "embarrassing"

                    When Ben Roethlisberger retired after the 2021 season, the Pittsburgh Steelers believed they had found his successor in the 2022 draft by selecting Kenny Pickett in the first round. That wasn’t quite how things worked out. After only two seasons with the Steelers, neither of which was very inspiring, Pickett reportedly requested a trade, not […]


                    I hope Tomlin & Co. have learned something from their mistakes, but I sorta doubt they have.
                    yep… no starting reps before his first game vs the Jets.

                    Canada coming back in 2023.

                    Suspect OL and terrible blocking scheme.

                    Limited PA when it was his bread and butter.

                    We did him no favors.
                    Steelers 27
                    Rats 16

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                    • Buzz
                      Legend
                      • Dec 2017
                      • 8317

                      #11
                      Originally posted by feltdizz
                      yep… no starting reps before his first game vs the Jets.

                      Canada coming back in 2023.

                      Suspect OL and terrible blocking scheme.

                      Limited PA when it was his bread and butter.

                      We did him no favors.
                      It was almost like our coaching staff did the exact opposite of what would've best helped KP be successful

                      most embarrassing thing was bringing Canada back as OC for 2023 when it was obvious that he was in way over his head

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                      • feltdizz
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                        • May 2008
                        • 27296

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Buzz
                        It was almost like our coaching staff did the exact opposite of what would've best helped KP be successful

                        most embarrassing thing was bringing Canada back as OC for 2023 when it was obvious that he was in way over his head
                        and this is why I’m skeptical things will be better this year, especially with this schedule.

                        but it did feel like our staff didn’t really like the Colbert pick and we have a “keep it close until the 4th quarter” and then see if the QB can save us on the last drive.
                        Steelers 27
                        Rats 16

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                        • Woodson
                          Banned
                          • Jun 2024
                          • 194

                          #13
                          Originally posted by feltdizz
                          and this is why I’m skeptical things will be better this year, especially with this schedule.

                          but it did feel like our staff didn’t really like the Colbert pick and we have a “keep it close until the 4th quarter” and then see if the QB can save us on the last drive.
                          You will need to win "some" games that way, but for that to be your game plan going into each game, you are a bloody fool.

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                          • feltdizz
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 27296

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Woodson
                            You will need to win "some" games that way, but for that to be your game plan going into each game, you are a bloody fool.
                            I’ve never seen an offense where you almost complete a long TD over the middle on the first play and then you never try that play again or only try it one more time.

                            Just felt like we removed the middle of the field from the playbook and didn’t like to use play action pass even though we were a run heavy team.

                            I also remember a GL play and I screamed “dont run a gadget play” and we ran a TE toss pass play that was horrible. Then we scored on a QB sneak the next play.

                            Just making it hard for no reason.
                            Steelers 27
                            Rats 16

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                            • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
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                              • May 2008
                              • 10165

                              #15
                              I don't think the team could possibly have put Pickett in a worse situation. However, I also never saw anything out of Pickett to prove that he would have been successful if not mishandled.
                              http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...to_Mike/to.jpg

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