5 reasons Tomlin didn't deserve new contract

[Woodson]

The reason why Tomlin has no coaching tree is because of the coaches he hires and the systems he runs, he doesn't scheme in ways other coaches do, it is all about player execution, it's not about out schemeing the opponent, this is why the Steelers have been outscored so badly in the playoffs in the last decade.

To Tomlin's credit (and to detriment of the Steelers SB chances) he has figured out the formula to avoid a losing season, hovering around .500 continually, but this same formula is also why the Steelers are never getting back to another SB under him.

Even if the Steelers were to put together an all-pro squad Tomlin's "it's all about player execution" mantra would make it very difficult to reach the SB and win it because the NFL is a parity league now and coaching and putting players in positions to succeed is more important than ever. Tomlin simply doesn't do that.

"Doesn't do that?" He doesn't even grasp it. And then he simply blames "player execution" on everything. He's an imbecile.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

The reason why Tomlin has no coaching tree is because of the coaches he hires and the systems he runs, he doesn't scheme in ways other coaches do, it is all about player execution, it's not about out schemeing the opponent, this is why the Steelers have been outscored so badly in the playoffs in the last decade.

To Tomlin's credit (and to detriment of the Steelers SB chances) he has figured out the formula to avoid a losing season, hovering around .500 continually, but this same formula is also why the Steelers are never getting back to another SB under him.

Even if the Steelers were to put together an all-pro squad Tomlin's "it's all about player execution" mantra would make it very difficult to reach the SB and win it because the NFL is a parity league now and coaching and putting players in positions to succeed is more important than ever. Tomlin simply doesn't do that.

+1. You are correct.

[WindyCitySteel]

The reason why Tomlin has no coaching tree is because of the coaches he hires and the systems he runs, he doesn't scheme in ways other coaches do, it is all about player execution, it's not about out schemeing the opponent, this is why the Steelers have been outscored so badly in the playoffs in the last decade.

My biggest complaint in a nutshell. You can see the team panicking when they realize how badly out-schemed they are, and then they start pressing.

Noll said the way you motivate is not to cheerlead, but to prepare your men and put them in position to succeed. A well-prepared player is motivated to go to work.

Imagine Muth or DJ going into a game knowing they're going to run plays asking you to go in motion so you can try to block Garrett or Crosby one on one, or LJ Fort having to cover Keenan Allen one on one and just get shredded play after play because you cannot Line Up And Beat Your Man.

[Woodson]

Mathematically, you are correct. Hence my phrase "on par" with Noll and Cowher. They are all in the .700s career wins against sub .500 teams.

Sub .500 teams? How about 2-10 teams?

[T.Ferguson]

The reason why Tomlin has no coaching tree is because of the coaches he hires and the systems he runs, he doesn't scheme in ways other coaches do, it is all about player execution, it's not about out schemeing the opponent, this is why the Steelers have been outscored so badly in the playoffs in the last decade.

To Tomlin's credit (and to detriment of the Steelers SB chances) he has figured out the formula to avoid a losing season, hovering around .500 continually, but this same formula is also why the Steelers are never getting back to another SB under him.

Even if the Steelers were to put together an all-pro squad Tomlin's "it's all about player execution" mantra would make it very difficult to reach the SB and win it because the NFL is a parity league now and coaching and putting players in positions to succeed is more important than ever. Tomlin simply doesn't do that.

[Medisteel]

NOTHING is new or fresh with the Steelers, and hasn't been for 20 years. That's OK when you're winning rings, that's not OK when it's been 7 years since your last playoff win. But dumb @ss Tomlin just doesn't know any better, he's just clueless.

This year feels like Back to the Future with Arthur Smith you know they will be very determined to run on 1st and 2nd downs and shorten games probably even more so than last year. Tomlin believes that's the path to glory with his high priced defense.

[Woodson]

It matters though in the "scheme" of things because Cowher's tree like anyone with a substantial tree demonstrates that the schemes were fresh and other teams wanted to emulate in a copycat league. The 34 D was cutting edge at the time. So other teams raided his staff.

Conversely, Tomlin has largley been behind the curve schematically and relied on Ben, AB, or even TJ now with splash plays. There's been really nothing schematically for the longest that other teams would covet.

The Coaching Tree argument in an unhealthy indicator of where the team has been with its schemes. I remember way back in 2010 or so Bill Belichick saying "The Steelers run the the same plays they ran 10 years ago."

NOTHING is new or fresh with the Steelers, and hasn't been for 20 years. That's OK when you're winning rings, that's not OK when it's been 7 years since your last playoff win. But dumb @ss Tomlin just doesn't know any better, he's just clueless.

[Medisteel]

I guess I'll ask the question; did those coaching trees lead to more SB wins for the Steelers? If not, then it matters little to me as a fan of the team.

It matters though in the "scheme" of things because Cowher's tree like anyone with a substantial tree demonstrates that the schemes were fresh and other teams wanted to emulate in a copycat league. The 34 D was cutting edge at the time. So other teams raided his staff.

Conversely, Tomlin has largley been behind the curve schematically and relied on Ben, AB, or even TJ now with splash plays. There's been really nothing schematically for the longest that other teams would covet.

The Coaching Tree argument in an unhealthy indicator of where the team has been with its schemes. I remember way back in 2010 or so Bill Belichick saying "The Steelers run the the same plays they ran 10 years ago."

[Chucktownsteeler]

Did Arians win a Super Bowl with Tampa?

[Joel Buchsbaum]

I guess I'll ask the question; did those coaching trees lead to more SB wins for the Steelers? If not, then it matters little to me as a fan of the team.

Post Cowher, Dick Lebueau and Bruce Arians help get us a super bowl, so YES. When they left we won few playoff games. You can look it up or you can just take my word for it.

You can do Tomiln tree for head coaches and remember he has to hire them!

[NorthCoast]

Cowher has something Tomiln lacks. A head coaching tree.

Assistant coaches under Cowher that became head coaches in the NFL or NCAA:

Dom Capers: Carolina Panthers (1995–199, Houston Texans (2002–2005)
Chan Gailey: Dallas Cowboys (1998–1999), Georgia Tech (2002–2007), Buffalo Bills (2010–2012)
Jim Haslett: New Orleans Saints (2000–2005), St. Louis Rams (200
Dick LeBeau: Cincinnati Bengals (2000–2002)
Marvin Lewis: Cincinnati Bengals (2003–201
Mike Mularkey: Buffalo Bills (2004–2005), Jacksonville Jaguars (2012), Tennessee Titans (2015–2017)
Ken Whisenhunt: Arizona Cardinals (2007–2012), Tennessee Titans (2014–2015)
Bruce Arians: Indianapolis Colts (2012, interim), Arizona Cardinals (2013–2017), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2019–2021)
David Culley: Houston Texans (2021)


And his playoff record is 12-9

If he had Ben for longer in his carrer....If his wife did not become ill and die forcing him to quit and focus on his girls....

I guess I'll ask the question; did those coaching trees lead to more SB wins for the Steelers? If not, then it matters little to me as a fan of the team.

[Woodson]

Then how did we end up 6-10 in 2003 if we had fight?

How did we lose 6 of our last 7 games in 1998 to finish 7-9 with 2 of our losses to a Bengal team that only won 3 games total that year?

Cowher went 6-10 twice and 7-9 twice. He had his warts.

The very best coaches (Tomlin is NOT one) have had down years. In case you weren't aware, Joe Gibbs, Chuck Noll, Jimmy Johnson, Bill Belichick, Bill Parcells, Andy Reid and Tom Landy had down years as coaches. Just in case you didn't know.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Then how did we end up 6-10 in 2003 if we had fight?

How did we lose 6 of our last 7 games in 1998 to finish 7-9 with 2 of our losses to a Bengal team that only won 3 games total that year?

Cowher went 6-10 twice and 7-9 twice. He had his warts.

Cowher has something Tomiln lacks. A head coaching tree.

Assistant coaches under Cowher that became head coaches in the NFL or NCAA:

Dom Capers: Carolina Panthers (1995–199, Houston Texans (2002–2005)
Chan Gailey: Dallas Cowboys (1998–1999), Georgia Tech (2002–2007), Buffalo Bills (2010–2012)
Jim Haslett: New Orleans Saints (2000–2005), St. Louis Rams (200
Dick LeBeau: Cincinnati Bengals (2000–2002)
Marvin Lewis: Cincinnati Bengals (2003–201
Mike Mularkey: Buffalo Bills (2004–2005), Jacksonville Jaguars (2012), Tennessee Titans (2015–2017)
Ken Whisenhunt: Arizona Cardinals (2007–2012), Tennessee Titans (2014–2015)
Bruce Arians: Indianapolis Colts (2012, interim), Arizona Cardinals (2013–2017), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2019–2021)
David Culley: Houston Texans (2021)


And his playoff record is 12-9

If he had Ben for longer in his carrer....If his wife did not become ill and die forcing him to quit and focus on his girls....

[NorthCoast]

No, his record vs. 500 teams is below Cohwer and Noll. .....

Mathematically, you are correct. Hence my phrase "on par" with Noll and Cowher. They are all in the .700s career wins against sub .500 teams.

[feltdizz]

I missed the part where you suggest that BC would win because he would have been less conservative and won the game on the arm of Mason Rudolph?

meh.. Cowher had some rough years so anyone acting like every Cowher team fought hard and never lost to lesser teams is laughable.

History has a way of making you appreciate coaches that you despised when they were on staff.

All that being said, if Tomlin doesn’t win a playoff game soon its a wrap.