5 reasons Tomlin didn't deserve new contract

[Woodson]

Lotta talking not to answer my question.
Your answer has nothing to do with Josh Allen versus Mason Rudolph.

You did not suggest that Cowher who had Maddox passing for 120 yards that same week would get into a shootout with Allen as you suggested in order to change the games outcome.

A Cowher team had fight in them, Tomlin's teams often do not, period, end of discussion.

[LPMAN]

meh.. these stats sound terrible until you realize they used 13 seasons because the 14th season was a SB APPEARANCE.

and Andy Dalton is 3-14 vs the Steelers so acting like we lucked up is hilarious.

Ryan Tannehill is 2-2 but I guess since he was 2-0 in Miami it means he was destined for a win.

No it sounds terrible because it is terrible. Of course every bad stat stops where things get better. Just like every good stat stops when things end. You know that stat about DiMaggio getting a hit in 56 straight games could be a lot longer if he didn’t have a game where he didn't get a hit. Once you get back to the team that Cowher left Tomlin of course it gets better.

In 2044 you will be saying yeah Tomlin hasn’t won a playoff game in 28 years but you know he won a Super Bowl in 2008 with a team that had already won it in 2005!!!

[feltdizz]

A Cowher team had fight in them, Tomlin's teams often do not, period, end of discussion.

Then how did we end up 6-10 in 2003 if we had fight?

How did we lose 6 of our last 7 games in 1998 to finish 7-9 with 2 of our losses to a Bengal team that only won 3 games total that year?

Cowher went 6-10 twice and 7-9 twice. He had his warts.

[feltdizz]

No it sounds terrible because it is terrible. Of course every bad stat stops where things get better. Just like every good stat stops when things end. You know that stat about DiMaggio getting a hit in 56 straight games could be a lot longer if he didn’t have a game where he didn't get a hit. Once you get back to the team that Cowher left Tomlin of course it gets better.

We aren’t talking a hit or a TD. We are talking about a SB appearance.

I agree the last 7 years have been bad in the playoffs but its always funny how everyone starts right after a SB appearance to make their point.

and in 2016 when we beat Miami and Cincy’s backups we went to a Championship game.

For me, the ugly begins 7 years ago.

[Captain Lemming]

A Cowher team had fight in them, Tomlin's teams often do not, period, end of discussion.

I missed the part where you suggest that BC would win because he would have been less conservative and won the game on the arm of Mason Rudolph?

[feltdizz]

I missed the part where you suggest that BC would win because he would have been less conservative and won the game on the arm of Mason Rudolph?

meh.. Cowher had some rough years so anyone acting like every Cowher team fought hard and never lost to lesser teams is laughable.

History has a way of making you appreciate coaches that you despised when they were on staff.

All that being said, if Tomlin doesn’t win a playoff game soon its a wrap.

[NorthCoast]

No, his record vs. 500 teams is below Cohwer and Noll. .....

Mathematically, you are correct. Hence my phrase "on par" with Noll and Cowher. They are all in the .700s career wins against sub .500 teams.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Then how did we end up 6-10 in 2003 if we had fight?

How did we lose 6 of our last 7 games in 1998 to finish 7-9 with 2 of our losses to a Bengal team that only won 3 games total that year?

Cowher went 6-10 twice and 7-9 twice. He had his warts.

Cowher has something Tomiln lacks. A head coaching tree.

Assistant coaches under Cowher that became head coaches in the NFL or NCAA:

Dom Capers: Carolina Panthers (1995–199, Houston Texans (2002–2005)
Chan Gailey: Dallas Cowboys (1998–1999), Georgia Tech (2002–2007), Buffalo Bills (2010–2012)
Jim Haslett: New Orleans Saints (2000–2005), St. Louis Rams (200
Dick LeBeau: Cincinnati Bengals (2000–2002)
Marvin Lewis: Cincinnati Bengals (2003–201
Mike Mularkey: Buffalo Bills (2004–2005), Jacksonville Jaguars (2012), Tennessee Titans (2015–2017)
Ken Whisenhunt: Arizona Cardinals (2007–2012), Tennessee Titans (2014–2015)
Bruce Arians: Indianapolis Colts (2012, interim), Arizona Cardinals (2013–2017), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2019–2021)
David Culley: Houston Texans (2021)


And his playoff record is 12-9

If he had Ben for longer in his carrer....If his wife did not become ill and die forcing him to quit and focus on his girls....

[Woodson]

Then how did we end up 6-10 in 2003 if we had fight?

How did we lose 6 of our last 7 games in 1998 to finish 7-9 with 2 of our losses to a Bengal team that only won 3 games total that year?

Cowher went 6-10 twice and 7-9 twice. He had his warts.

The very best coaches (Tomlin is NOT one) have had down years. In case you weren't aware, Joe Gibbs, Chuck Noll, Jimmy Johnson, Bill Belichick, Bill Parcells, Andy Reid and Tom Landy had down years as coaches. Just in case you didn't know.

[NorthCoast]

Cowher has something Tomiln lacks. A head coaching tree.

Assistant coaches under Cowher that became head coaches in the NFL or NCAA:

Dom Capers: Carolina Panthers (1995–199, Houston Texans (2002–2005)
Chan Gailey: Dallas Cowboys (1998–1999), Georgia Tech (2002–2007), Buffalo Bills (2010–2012)
Jim Haslett: New Orleans Saints (2000–2005), St. Louis Rams (200
Dick LeBeau: Cincinnati Bengals (2000–2002)
Marvin Lewis: Cincinnati Bengals (2003–201
Mike Mularkey: Buffalo Bills (2004–2005), Jacksonville Jaguars (2012), Tennessee Titans (2015–2017)
Ken Whisenhunt: Arizona Cardinals (2007–2012), Tennessee Titans (2014–2015)
Bruce Arians: Indianapolis Colts (2012, interim), Arizona Cardinals (2013–2017), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2019–2021)
David Culley: Houston Texans (2021)


And his playoff record is 12-9

If he had Ben for longer in his carrer....If his wife did not become ill and die forcing him to quit and focus on his girls....

I guess I'll ask the question; did those coaching trees lead to more SB wins for the Steelers? If not, then it matters little to me as a fan of the team.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

I guess I'll ask the question; did those coaching trees lead to more SB wins for the Steelers? If not, then it matters little to me as a fan of the team.

Post Cowher, Dick Lebueau and Bruce Arians help get us a super bowl, so YES. When they left we won few playoff games. You can look it up or you can just take my word for it.

You can do Tomiln tree for head coaches and remember he has to hire them!

[Chucktownsteeler]

Did Arians win a Super Bowl with Tampa?

[Medisteel]

I guess I'll ask the question; did those coaching trees lead to more SB wins for the Steelers? If not, then it matters little to me as a fan of the team.

It matters though in the "scheme" of things because Cowher's tree like anyone with a substantial tree demonstrates that the schemes were fresh and other teams wanted to emulate in a copycat league. The 34 D was cutting edge at the time. So other teams raided his staff.

Conversely, Tomlin has largley been behind the curve schematically and relied on Ben, AB, or even TJ now with splash plays. There's been really nothing schematically for the longest that other teams would covet.

The Coaching Tree argument in an unhealthy indicator of where the team has been with its schemes. I remember way back in 2010 or so Bill Belichick saying "The Steelers run the the same plays they ran 10 years ago."

[Woodson]

It matters though in the "scheme" of things because Cowher's tree like anyone with a substantial tree demonstrates that the schemes were fresh and other teams wanted to emulate in a copycat league. The 34 D was cutting edge at the time. So other teams raided his staff.

Conversely, Tomlin has largley been behind the curve schematically and relied on Ben, AB, or even TJ now with splash plays. There's been really nothing schematically for the longest that other teams would covet.

The Coaching Tree argument in an unhealthy indicator of where the team has been with its schemes. I remember way back in 2010 or so Bill Belichick saying "The Steelers run the the same plays they ran 10 years ago."

NOTHING is new or fresh with the Steelers, and hasn't been for 20 years. That's OK when you're winning rings, that's not OK when it's been 7 years since your last playoff win. But dumb @ss Tomlin just doesn't know any better, he's just clueless.

[Medisteel]

NOTHING is new or fresh with the Steelers, and hasn't been for 20 years. That's OK when you're winning rings, that's not OK when it's been 7 years since your last playoff win. But dumb @ss Tomlin just doesn't know any better, he's just clueless.

This year feels like Back to the Future with Arthur Smith you know they will be very determined to run on 1st and 2nd downs and shorten games probably even more so than last year. Tomlin believes that's the path to glory with his high priced defense.