5 reasons Tomlin didn't deserve new contract

[Woodson]

You have a point. But 13 seasons is still a god-awful stat. And only 4 seasons with a playoff win out of 17 total is also awful. I've long been pro-Tomlin but my patience has worn thin. I don't feel like he's evolved as a coach in the league. I think he continues to be a "we do what we do" kind of coach, continually hoping that the right roster comes along to make his philosophy work.

I have to think that if he doesn't win a playoff game in the next 2 seasons, it'll be fairly unanimous around here that he should move on from Pittsburgh and not play out his extension.

+1.

It is refreshing when an admitted Tomlin apologist has to admit defeat and call on the dogs. When the slow adapters are calling you out, it's really time to go.

[Woodson]

because you say it, doesn't make it so.

Tomlin is the only active HC with a winning record as an underdog.

Tomlin's record against sub .500 teams is on par with Cowher and Noll.

I don't buy that for a second. How about when they are HEAVY favorites? Tomlin losses more games as a heavy favorite than Noll or Cowher EVER has. Last year alone the two losses to 2-10 teams was historically bad. NO Steeler team had EVER done that, none ever.

[Captain Lemming]

Ahhh, more Tomlin excuses. Well there's some consistency there.

Excuses?
Tell me the coach who you would lay money down on a bet that he beats the Bills in Buffalo in a blizzard, by having Mason outgun Allen in a shootout. I will wait.

[NorthCoast]

I don't buy that for a second. How about when they are HEAVY favorites? Tomlin losses more games as a heavy favorite than Noll or Cowher EVER has. Last year alone the two losses to 2-10 teams was historically bad. NO Steeler team had EVER done that, none ever.

Don't need to buy anything. It's facts. You would know this if you actually did some homework.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

because you say it, doesn't make it so.

Tomlin is the only active HC with a winning record as an underdog.

Tomlin's record against sub .500 teams is on par with Cowher and Noll.

No, his record vs. 500 teams is below Cohwer and Noll. Chuck was something like 59-0 vs. teams .500 or below during our six year super bowl run form 1974-1979. He built us, he did not inherit a super bowl team.

Steelers' record against teams with records below .500 is 59-1; until the Bengals upset them in 1979, they were 56-0.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2014/06/17/chuck-noll-pittsburgh-steelers-coach-man-not-myth

The above link is an awesome read about Chuck Noll. I highly recomned it to any Steelers fan.

[Oviedo]

July 10, 2024

Tomlin is still Head Coach
Tomlin still got a three year extension
Rooney still doesn’t care what you think or want

Keep b!tching like a teenage girl on her period but you will change nothing

[NorthCoast]

No, his record vs. 500 teams is below Cohwer and Noll. Chuck was something like 59-0 vs. teams .500 or below during our six year super bowl run form 1974-1979. He built us, he did not inherit a super bowl team.



https://www.si.com/nfl/2014/06/17/chuck-noll-pittsburgh-steelers-coach-man-not-myth

The above link is an awesome read about Chuck Noll. I highly recomned it to any Steelers fan.

Nice cherry pick. I am talking career.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

July 10, 2024

Tomlin is still Head Coach
Tomlin still got a three year extension
Rooney still doesn’t care what you think or want

Keep b!tching like a teenage girl on her period but you will change nothing

You can be a Martin Lewis fan, Tomlin is going to likely break his record of not winning a playoff game for EIGHT YEARS in a row. As such he stands alone in history since the AFL / NFL merger.

Lewis was the head coach for the Cincinnati Bengals in the 2003-2018 seasons, a total of sixteen years. Lewis' record as the team's head coach was 131-122-3

As a Steeler fan I will not apologise for having my standards.

Remember the Standard is the standard.

-JB

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Nice cherry pick. I am talking career.

So am I. As they say you can look it up as see how Tomlin compares to Cowher and Noll vs being upset vs. .500 and below teams, when his team is .500 or better. Cherry pick away. You do have access to some nice data. I enjoy it.

[Oviedo]

You can be a Martin Lewis fan, Tomlin is going to likely break his record of not winning a playoff game for EIGHT YEARS in a row. As such he stands alone in history since the AFL / NFL merger.


As a Steeler fan I will not apologise for having my standards.

Remember the Standard is the standard.

-JB

"Your standards"

What do you have to do with the Steelers success or failure? How much work do you put into their success?

Are you as successful at your career as Tomlin is at his? Please share

[Joel Buchsbaum]

"Your standards"

What do you have to do with the Steelers success or failure? How much work do you put into their success?

Are you as successful at your career as Tomlin is at his? Please share

The standard remains the standard. I am quoting Tomlin. Tomlin is not as successful in my field, nor I am his. I judge him in his field. Lets not talk Politics!

[feltdizz]

ESPN talked about it this morning. One guy said if Tomlin had 1 losing season on his resume people would look at him different.

No one else agreed.

The argument is basically since no one else has been able to have a 17 year career without a losing season he IS special.

I say Tomlin is a victim of his success. Always in playoff contention the last week of the season is hard to do. Yet, those .500 seasons or 9-7ish seasons keep us in limbo when it comes to drafting.

Reality is eventually you have to win a playoff game again or its time to move on. If he doesn’t win this year with Russ then when will it happen? Might be time to for Tomlin to move to the NFC.

[feltdizz]

The standard remains the standard. I am quoting Tomlin. Tomlin is not as successful in my field, nor I am his. I judge him in his field. Lets not talk Politics!

you said your standard as a fan.

lets not play politics and act like you didn’t just type that.

Its okay to have high standards as a fan. No need to run from it.

[Woodson]

Excuses?
Tell me the coach who you would lay money down on a bet that he beats the Bills in Buffalo in a blizzard, by having Mason outgun Allen in a shootout. I will wait.

Cowher went into Buffalo in a blizzard and his backups beat the Bill starters last game of the season. That's when we had a REAL head coach. The year was 2004, Steelers won 29-24, IN Buffalo.

[Captain Lemming]

Cowher went into Buffalo in a blizzard and his backups beat the Bill starters last game of the season. That's when we had a REAL head coach. The year was 2004, Steelers won 29-24, IN Buffalo.

Lotta talking not to answer my question.
Your answer has nothing to do with Josh Allen versus Mason Rudolph.

You did not suggest that Cowher who had Maddox passing for 120 yards that same week would get into a shootout with Allen as you suggested in order to change the games outcome.