The man who we are REALLY overlooking as the BIGGEST CONTRIBUTOR to this offseason?

[Captain Lemming]

Mike Tomlin.

In a prior thread I was asked if things went south would I blame Khan. I thought about it and said I would not, I (big Tomlin supporter) would blame Tomlin.

If it goes south and ESPECIALLY if our ex QBs excelled elsewhere Tomlin should be fired.

But that door swings both ways. I would suggest Tomlin is not getting NEAR to credit/blame for this offseason that he deserves.

Fields picked us. Why?

According to NFL Network reporter Ian Rapoport, at least four other teams inquired about Fields, and there were better offers than the one the Steelers made. But the Bears went to Fields and asked him where he wanted to play and he said he wanted to play for the Steelers and head coach Mike Tomlin, so Chicago general manager Ryan Poles made the deal.

Russ picked us. Why?
Google search the question
why did why did russell wilson want to sign with the steelers?
Top answer:

Wilson said he came to Pittsburgh because he wants to win championships. "Coach Tomlin and these guys in the locker room, we got some amazing players," he said.

It seems clear that Russ not only told people he was going to be a Steeler, HE SOLD US he wanted it so bad.

Patrick Queen chose the Steelers.
Google search
Top answer:
"The organization itself is known for winning, great defense, and a bunch of stars over here. Just wanted to come be a part of that and be that extra piece to try to win again." Queen went on to talk about Tomlin, and how he has heard what a great coach he is to play for and he wanted to experience that.

In a pc asked the same question:

“That man standing right there,” Queen said, nodding in Tomlins direction, as to what attracted him to the Steelers.

Tomlin began planting the seeds to snag Queen WHEN HE WAS A ROOKIE. Queen did not like it at the time but Tomlin KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING.

https://youtube.com/shorts/eqzyHl7Zf..._thoZXuyzdTbRe

CONVERSELY while people credit Khan for getting rid of malcontents it seems to me that TOMLIN is why they are gone (not hostages principle).

Good or bad I would suggest Tomlin is BY FAR the biggest factor in this offseason.

Thoughts?

[Shawn]

No, Tomlin is an overpaid janitor and the khan artist savant is a true genius in the likes of Einstein. Clearly being facetious. Tomlin and Khan deserve credit. They worked together and this team is better. It’s hard to put percentages on contributions without more information. But this offseason has impressed me even if it hasnt impressed Vegas.

[Prowler]

There is no doubt that Tomlin has had a big contribution to our off season so far. As a fan of the team I wonder if these changes will be positive or negative. In many ways Tomlin's fingerprints all over the roster has me worried. He won't be able to escape scrutiny from the fan base much longer if things go bad most especially if Pickett kills it with the Eagles.

[Captain Lemming]

No, Tomlin is an overpaid janitor and the khan artist savant is a true genius in the likes of Einstein. Clearly being facetious. Tomlin and Khan deserve credit. They worked together and this team is better. It?s hard to put percentages on contributions without more information. But this offseason has impressed me even if it hasnt impressed Vegas.

The reason I love Khan is the way he deals and gets max value. For example in negotiations with the Bears he KNEW he did not panic and gave up so little to get Fields.

He saw teams taking other players while Fields price was high and knew the market had shrunk.

My guess? Fields price was HIGHER before WE TRADED KENNY TO PHILLY.

The Bears claim several teams offered more but the question is WHEN?

I think at points along the way they said no to better offers and teams made other choices. Philly and us were THE ONLY TWO remaining at the end and WE filled Phillys slot.

Speculation but it makes perfect sense if you think about how things went down.

If so, masterful maneuvering by Khan.

[hawaiiansteel]

Mike Tomlin.

Good or bad I would suggest Tomlin is BY FAR the biggest factor in this offseason.

[WindyCitySteel]

Rooney. When he stepped in and fired Canada, he likely told Tomlin he was next if big things didn't change. I think he also probably told Omar to run the offensive personnel and coaching decisions give the poor record of Tomlin doing it for the last few years.

[whatever]

BUT everyone else is responsible for only 3 playoffs wins in 12 years, correct?

[feltdizz]

Whoa.. slow down playa.

I like Tomlin but unless this D gets figured out in the playoffs all this is for naught.

The reason all this is happening is
because Tomlin failed with Kenny and a large part of it is keeping Canada another year to run a crappy offense.

I’ll give Khan the credit for making moves but I’m holding off on giving Tomlin credit because regardless of how bad the O was.. that D was stanking during that 3 game losing streak.

[Buzz]

Whoa.. slow down playa.

I like Tomlin but unless this D gets figured out in the playoffs all this is for naught.

The reason all this is happening is
because Tomlin failed with Kenny and a large part of it is keeping Canada another year to run a crappy offense.

I?ll give Khan the credit for making moves but I?m holding off on giving Tomlin credit because regardless of how bad the O was.. that D was stanking during that 3 game losing streak.

Good post.

I'm holding off on giving Tomlin credit because he was a big part of the problem that created the mess Khan is trying to get us out of.

[T.Ferguson]

Rooney. When he stepped in and fired Canada, he likely told Tomlin he was next if big things didn't change. I think he also probably told Omar to run the offensive personnel and coaching decisions give the poor record of Tomlin doing it for the last few years.

This. I'm pretty sure Rooney also mentioned the lack of playoff success at the end of the season and something that needs to change. The moves so far really seem to be about winning a playoff game vs. long term, ie, Tomlin likely isn't going to be HC for that much longer and wants to go out with 1 or 2 more playoff wins. The odds that this team under Tomlin are winning a SB is very low, it just is, that's not me being negative or a hater it's just reality.

I just wish Rooney and the team realized it's time to start over instead of continually postponing the obvious. At least it'll be fun watching Wilson for a season or more.

[Eich]

Like most things, the truth is between the extremes.

Tomlin is generally a good coach. But his recent playoff record is atrocious. And sometimes, a coach can get stale (see Bill Bellichick). People can celebrate no losing seasons after 17 years all they want. That is not good enough. Tomlin having only 4 seasons with a playoff win out of 17 is not good. Most coaches don't survive a playoff record like this. Probably no other coach in the past 17 years survives that.

It's hard not to feel that Tomlin coaches to this winning season record thing. The Matt Canada project was a terrible failure and Tomlin deserves a lot of blame with that and with a total mismanage of Pickett and Rudolph. The past two years have fielded the worst offense I can ever remember. If the head coach gets credit for the good stuff, he absolutely has to get credited for that.

But the Steelers are different and rarely turnover coaches. That said, I'd guess that Tomlin is on about as short a leash as the Steelers give out.

[Captain Lemming]

Clearly many never read my post just responding to the title.

Fields, Wilson, and Queen chose us. Asked why, they said Tomlin.

You cannot even claim it was about money. Did not factor in at all for Wilson and Fields. Wilson RECRUITED US not the other way around. And Wilson and Tomlin talked FOR HOURS. Nothing whatsoever about a money as Wilson was fine with vet minimum. He and Tomlin seemed to just hit it off. I said it before and I’ll say it again. THEY HAVE A PLAN FOR A LONG FUTURE FEATURING RUSS THAT WE DONT KNOW ABOUT YET. Mark my words people.

Fields REFUSED other options and cited Tomlin as a reason.

Queen didnt even shop himself much at all to maximize his value. We offered (less than his rumored value) and he signed.

All you got to argue against this is the past. But look at the SPECIFICS about THESE players THIS season.

That is Tomlin people.

[Captain Lemming]

Let me add we are a week away from a league wide poll that shows Tomlin IS INDEED a coach players would love to play for.

Should it be any surprise that when financials are not a factor that BOTH of our new QBs chose the Steelers?

[Northern_Blitz]

I think Khan deserves the lion's share of the credit here.

I think Tomlin has input. And he probably has a role selling acquisitions on coming to the Steelers.

But I wouldn't read a ton into players saying that the HC is one of the reasons they went to the place they went to. There's probably some truth to it in all cases. But it's also just the correct thing to say.

[feltdizz]

Clearly many never read my post just responding to the title.

Fields, Wilson, and Queen chose us. Asked why, they said Tomlin.

You cannot even claim it was about money. Did not factor in at all for Wilson and Fields. Wilson RECRUITED US not the other way around. And Wilson and Tomlin talked FOR HOURS. Nothing whatsoever about a money as Wilson was fine with vet minimum. He and Tomlin seemed to just hit it off.

Fields REFUSED other options and cited Tomlin as a reason.

Queen didnt even shop himself much at all to maximize his value. We offered (less than his rumored value) and he signed.

All you got to argue against this is the past. But look at the SPECIFICS about THESE players THIS season.

That is Tomlin people.

Maybe for Queen but Fields had no choice and Russ is making 40 Mill this year. We just aren’t paying 98% of it.

Sorry Cap but no one else wanted Fields besides Philly.