Report: "Internal division" over whether Pickett or Rudolph should start

[WindyCitySteel]

Almost forgot this. I said this:



Interesting reply:


Yes they do play a part in win loss. But the staff that cut Mitch (Head coach, OC, QB coach drafted and coached Fields bro.

Receivers, tight ends, backs same.

Hard to have a better parallel circumstance than that.

Not only did they come off the second of two playoff seasons under Mitch, in two of those seasons more than a Fields team HAS EVER scored.

Let's have a lesson in sample size, shall we? In the last three seasons, Bears wins without Justin Fields came against the following teams:

The 0-10-1 Lions
The 5-10 Seahawks
The 6-10 Giants
The 3-4 Raiders
The 1-8 Panthers

It's a wonder they didn't stick with Tyson Bagent and Nick Foles.

[Northern_Blitz]

Let's have a lesson in sample size, shall we? In the last three seasons, Bears wins without Justin Fields came against the following teams:

The 0-10-1 Lions
The 5-10 Seahawks
The 6-10 Giants
The 3-4 Raiders
The 1-8 Panthers

It's a wonder they didn't stick with Tyson Bagent and Nick Foles.

But what about the PFF grades? Don't they watch and grade every play?

[WindyCitySteel]

But what about the PFF grades? Don't they watch and grade every play?

Foles was 66.2 and 60 his two years in Chicago, Bagent 57.3.

[NorthCoast]

Its amazing how some folks forget someone else was calling plays for 95% of Picketts career.

That's not the point. Canada was known for PA in college. Why did he shut it down with Pickett as QB?

[feltdizz]

That's not the point. Canada was known for PA in college. Why did he shut it down with Pickett as QB?

It IS the point. We were told Matt Canada was good at a lot of things but he wasn?t actually that good at any of them by the time he arrived.

I think Matt Canada was on fire in 2016 at Pitt. He moved to LSU and was fired after 7 games. Only coached one year at MD.

Dude had no rhythm to his offense half the time.

I also winder if Canada called more PA with Mitch to prove it was specific to Kenny. No idea on that answer.

[Northern_Blitz]

Foles was 66.2 and 60 his two years in Chicago, Bagent 57.3.

And that has what to do with PFF ratings saying Kenny and Fields are about the same?

And despite having a SB ring, Foles isn't a good QB.

And is your argument that Bagent is bad because of the system? There is no evidence that he's an NFL QB. Although he does fumble about half as often as Fields (3 times in 143 pass attempts ~ 2.1% vs 38/958 ~ 4.0%).

[Northern_Blitz]

It IS the point. We were told Matt Canada was good at a lot of things but he wasn?t actually that good at any of them by the time he arrived.

I think Matt Canada was on fire in 2016 at Pitt. He moved to LSU and was fired after 7 games. Only coached one year at MD.

Dude had no rhythm to his offense half the time.

I also winder if Canada called more PA with Mitch to prove it was specific to Kenny. No idea on that answer.

We were also told that Kenny was accurate and could make good decisions quickly.

It's possible that both the OC and the QB were below the line at the same time.

[Oviedo]

We were also told that Kenny was accurate and could make good decisions quickly.

It's possible that both the OC and the QB were below the line at the same time.

Fake news!!!!

[feltdizz]

We were also told that Kenny was accurate and could make good decisions quickly.

It's possible that both the OC and the QB were below the line at the same time.

Could be, Kenny really missed a great chance to prove it was Canada when he went down vs AZ.

but I have to add that we went over 400 yards the first time without Canada and Kenny completed 72% vs CIN and 70% vs AZ. His highest percentages of the season.

[Northern_Blitz]

Could be, Kenny really missed a great chance to prove it was Canada when he went down vs AZ.

but I have to add that we went over 400 yards the first time without Canada and Kenny completed 72% vs CIN and 70% vs AZ. His highest percentages of the season.

Against a bad D, right? Or were they only bad a few weeks later when Mason was the QB

I agree that Kenny missed a great opportunity. But he also had two "normal Kenny" quarters in the next game.

Small samples in the good game and the average half. Even smaller than the mostly positive small sample from Mason last season. So who knows about any of this...

As I've said through all of Kenny's time, I'll believe it when I see it.

[feltdizz]

Against a bad D, right? Or were they only bad a few weeks later when Mason was the QB

I agree that Kenny missed a great opportunity. But he also had two "normal Kenny" quarters in the next game.

Small samples in the good game and the average half. Even smaller than the most positive small sample from Mason last season. So who knows about any of this...

As I've said through all of Kenny's time, I'll believe it when I see it.

We played bad D’s with Kenny and Canada and didn’t crack 400 or have completion percentages above 70%.

[Northern_Blitz]

We played bad D?s with Kenny and Canada and didn?t crack 400 or have completion percentages above 70%.

But we did have a bunch of games with Kenny+Canada when we scored 16.

Only one with 30+ points though (IIRC).

[feltdizz]

But we did have a bunch of games with Kenny+Canada when we scored 16.

Only one with 30+ points though (IIRC).

Somehow you are missing the point that Canada may be the reason Kenny’s accuracy wasn’t as sharp since he went over 400 yards and had a 72% completion percentage.

Shouldn’t be this hard to see my point.

[Northern_Blitz]

Somehow you are missing the point that Canada may be the reason Kenny’s accuracy wasn’t as sharp since he went over 400 yards and had a 72% completion percentage.

Shouldn’t be this hard to see my point.

As I've said...I agree that Canada hurt the offense. And Kenny would likely have shown better in a good offensive scheme.

Not sure how the OC affects a QBs ability to throw the ball accurately, but maybe...I think Canada was bad.

But how much better would Kenny be? I don't know. Can we go from getting beaten out by Mason to above average? I worry the answer is no. Just like I thought that Mason going from getting beaten out by Duck to above average wasn't likely.

I worry that Kenny's historically bad at throwing TDs. That makes it hard for me to believe that "better" in a good offense would be above average.

I hope to be wrong.

And I'll believe it (and admit that I was wrong) if I see it.

I was really happy for him when he threw 2 TDs in one game early in the year. Then he threw another 2 in the next 8.5 games. I'm willing to bet that Canada is part of that. But not all of it.

[Oviedo]

As I've said...I agree that Canada hurt the offense. And Kenny would likely have shown better in a good offensive scheme.

Not sure how the OC affects a QBs ability to throw the ball accurately, but maybe...I think Canada was bad.

But how much better would Kenny be? I don't know. Can we go from getting beaten out by Mason to above average? I worry the answer is no. Just like I thought that Mason going from getting beaten out by Duck to above average wasn't likely.

I worry that Kenny's historically bad at throwing TDs. That makes it hard for me to believe that "better" in a good offense would be above average.

I hope to be wrong.

And I'll believe it (and admit that I was wrong) if I see it.

I was really happy for him when he threw 2 TDs in one game early in the year. Then he threw another 2 in the next 8.5 games. I'm willing to bet that Canada is part of that. But not all of it.

Kenny needs to own, and his fan boys too, that he was a big part of the problem. As mentioned, not sure how you blame an OC for a QB throwing bad passes.

What we haven't been talking about is that Kenny can't seem to stay healthy either.