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  • SteelerOfDeVille
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    • May 2008
    • 8823

    DeVille Does the offseason, 2024 edition

    Welcome to the offseason, hosted by your resident GM (and best RB scout on the board).

    Seriously, I started this the day after the playoff loss, but didn't post anything because people were emotional. Then the team hired Arthur Smith and *I* got emotional

    Now I'm ready. So, here's 2023 in review:

    Here we are. Earlier than we'd like, but right on schedule. Some of you may recall, I've called this a three year rebuild; year two target was to MAKE the playoffs.

    The Offense
    To be honest, it was such a roller coaster season. I'm watching Matt Canada call predictable plays. "Oh, Najee is in? 75% chance, he's running. And if he runs, it's between the tackles". And you'd see the defense adjust accordingly and stuff the box. "Oh, Warren is in? We can call anything". The defense backs away and plays more balanced.

    Then, MANY folks here (not understanding what they were seeing unfold on the screen) where saying the line wasn't good, Najee wasn't good and it's all just excuses.

    Honestly y'all, I'm a lucky guy. I can sit and have more intelligent football conversations with my wife during the game than I can with a lot of folks around these parts. She'd literally say, "Najee's in. It's first down. Look at how many people are close to the LOS".... then, later she'd say, "why are they so loose when Warren's in?" I answered and now she notices that, too. (I played and coached, so she knows I know)

    Anyway, not only was the play calling predictable, but I'm soooo glad to finally be away from the nearly 2 seasons he was making it difficult for KP to grow as a quarterback.

    When Canada was fired and KP IMMEDIATELY ended the talk of the non-400 yard offensive game. I was stoked to see that the kid might finally be able to develop at the pro level. Unfortunately, we only got one full game of that before his injury. It's disappointing that he has had a high school playbook while facing pros. People will criticize his development arc, but he deserves at least ONE season under an NFL OC before we make judgements. And this team got one that turned Tannehill into a pro bowler - then Tannehill immediately regressed after Smith left.

    Position snippets (offense)
    QB - Mitch sucks. Pickett - it's hard to get to the end of year 2 and feel like ya don't know, but here I am. Mason was "solid" in relief effort.
    RB - Steelers had one of two backfields with 2 guys with over 1000 yards from scrimmage (along with Detroit). Enjoy it gang. Is this our most dynamic duo since Harris-Bleier?
    WR - Lots of talent. Lots of Divas. But, DJ and Pickens may be among the NFL's best tandems. I wanna see Austin get the ball more.
    TE - Muth is a B+ TE in this league. Heyward is a nice Swiss army knife. Washington, I wanna see more from him
    O-Line - Broderick was a good selection. The guards are good. Cole and Moore leave a bit to be desired.

    The Defense
    I have said a number of times that Tomlin KNOWS the he has a really good defense. There where times where he criticized them when they created a turnover because they didn't get it in the right part of the field. "Coach, we stopped them from scoring. Isn't that our job?" To me that says that he understood how bad the offense was but didn't want to publicly throw Canada under the bus. But, I digress.... we're talking Defense.

    When healthy, this is among the best defenses in the league. But, injuries really hurt this year. To the point where other guys had to back off their normal roles to help with basic stuff (Minkah, I saw ya closer to the LOS). OLB had incredible depth, but the rest of the units will either need players to step up or move on.

    Position snippets (defense)
    DL - Cam's long in the tooth, but still a stud when healthy. Benton will be really good. Larry O - has moments. I need one of Leal/Loudermilk to step up
    ILB - I was excited when this season started. And injuries just killed them. Top 3 were the best bunch since Vince Williams walked out
    OLB - TJ is TJ. Highsmith was good, but a notch down. Herbig may become a nice #3. Golden was "solid".
    CB - JPJ's a stud. Peterson's a dud. Levi, "meh". Disappointed that Trice was injured. Early reports had him coming along faster than JPJ
    S - Minkah's injury hurt. I don't mind Kazee laying the lumber. Riley and T.Thompson each had some nice moments. I started this season expecting to want a SS early. I can't say that i do now

    As a side note, I actually wanted to grade all the positions, both offensive and defensive. But, how do you grade the ILB, for example? The starters are probably a B+, but what we finished with may have been more like a D+.


    Summary: Given Matt Canada, Tribusky and all the key injuries, this was an impressive season, IMO. Honestly, you lose TJ a couple of times, Minkah a few games, Cam a few games, for a stretch the top 3 ILB (still 2 out), top SS, Pat Pete was a bust. To get into a Wildcard game and still be in it during the 4th quarter against the Bills speaks volumes. There are certainly spots that need improvement/depth, but all-in all I honestly wouldn't have been shocked by 6-11. IMO, 10-7 is an over-perform given the circumstances.

    There are certainly holes that were exposed. I expect the team to target them with better precision, because there are fewer of significance than Colbert left. You could go get an OT to replace Moore, but also know that if you're stuck with him for one more season, you can compete.

    The more time I have had to to think about the Arthur Smith hire, I like it. A LOT. If one of the young guys came in and KP threw for 4000 yards, he'd be interviewing for head coach next season AND we might be looking again sooner rather than later. I see Smith being around at least 2-3 before he's back in those conversations.

    Moreover, given the personnel, he IS a good fit.... Think Detroit and their running game. Or the Derrick Henry-led Titans.

    Next post: how I would address each unit (no draft yet)
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    DeVille's final Mock
    1.20 - Tailiese Fuaga, OT, Oregon St
    2.51 - Zach Frazier, C, WVU
    3.84 - Luke Mccaffery, WR, Rice
    3.98 - Andru Phillips, CB, Kentucky
    4.117 - Maason Smith, DT, LSU
    6.178 - Travis Glover, OT, Ga State
    6.195 - Dillon Johnson, RB, Washington

  • Northern_Blitz
    Legend
    • Dec 2008
    • 22741

    #2
    Thanks DeVille.

    I hope you're right that the issue was mostly play calling. I think QB play was a big part too. I do wish we got to see Kenny away from Canada for more than 6 quarters.

    I hope that you are more right than me. Because I think we'll have a better play caller (low bar). And the same QBs.

    I also agree that it's a shame that we lost so much from the middle of the D. Would have been interesting to see how we fare against a good team in the playoffs if we also had ILBs. I think we really have to figure out our ILB situation (sound familiar?). I wouldn't be surprised if Alexander retires (will be 31 and coming off 2nd Achilles injury). And who knows what Holcolm's situation will be after that injury.

    I also worry that we're treating the DL how we treated the OL when Ben was ending his career. Leaning hard on old guys without much plan for succession. If we lose Cam for long stretches again, then I think we'll struggle against the run again. And the antidote to that seems to be to have Minkah lead the team in tackles (per play anyway). And then we lose our best asset in the secondary (although wouldn't it be nice if Porter became that next season over Minkah, who's elite!)

    I also agree about Smith. My gut reaction was not very positive. But the more I learn about the hire, the more I think it makes sense. I do wish we could somehow cross over to the NFC for the playoffs though. Just so many good QBs on our side of the league.
    Last edited by Northern_Blitz; 02-02-2024, 03:36 PM.

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    • Joel Buchsbaum
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      • Jan 2021
      • 7046

      #3
      Don't forget special teams! We need a new punter. We have a franchise level Kicker. Our return game is a little better than average, as is our kick coverage units. After the senior bowl I will my offseason, draft and cap revoiew. It's going to be petty detailed. I think Mason was a little more than " Solid. " by the way. The offense clicked under him and we scored more points..
      Last edited by Joel Buchsbaum; 02-02-2024, 03:39 PM.
      Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

      Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

      *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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      • feltdizz
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 26496

        #4
        This is good review. I think if Kenny didn’t get injured we were headed for 12 wins minimum which would’ve been amazing given how the season started. 10-7 was still impressive and overall we over achieved.

        I wasn’t a fan of Smith being hired but like you, I’ve come around on it and will think positively. A coworker is a Falcons fan and said Smith likes to use TEs over the middle of field and expect us to draft a TE. I laughed because we DO have a second TE and we didn’t use the middle of the field.
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        • SteelerOfDeVille
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 8823

          #5
          Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
          Don't forget special teams! We need a new punter. We have a franchise level Kicker. Our return game is a little better than average, as is our kick coverage units. After the senior bowl I will my offseason, draft and cap revoiew. It's going to be petty detailed. I think Mason was a little more than " Solid. " by the way. The offense clicked under him and we scored more points..
          Great point Joel. Kicker is all world, Punter needs to be replaced. And the coverage team was really good,

          Mason was only "solid", I'll stand by that. He still has issues with pocket awareness, he just had a much better offensive line as compared to the last time he had significant minutes.
          2013 MNF Executive Champion!

          DeVille's final Mock
          1.20 - Tailiese Fuaga, OT, Oregon St
          2.51 - Zach Frazier, C, WVU
          3.84 - Luke Mccaffery, WR, Rice
          3.98 - Andru Phillips, CB, Kentucky
          4.117 - Maason Smith, DT, LSU
          6.178 - Travis Glover, OT, Ga State
          6.195 - Dillon Johnson, RB, Washington

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          • SteelerOfDeVille
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 8823

            #6
            Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
            Thanks DeVille.

            I hope you're right that the issue was mostly play calling. I think QB play was a big part too. I do wish we got to see Kenny away from Canada for more than 6 quarters.

            I hope that you are more right than me. Because I think we'll have a better play caller (low bar). And the same QBs.
            I have a sneaking suspicion that KP may eventually be the only layover

            Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
            I also agree that it's a shame that we lost so much from the middle of the D. Would have been interesting to see how we fare against a good team in the playoffs if we also had ILBs. I think we really have to figure out our ILB situation (sound familiar?). I wouldn't be surprised if Alexander retires (will be 31 and coming off 2nd Achilles injury). And who knows what Holcolm's situation will be after that injury.

            I also worry that we're treating the DL how we treated the OL when Ben was ending his career. Leaning hard on old guys without much plan for succession. If we lose Cam for long stretches again, then I think we'll struggle against the run again. And the antidote to that seems to be to have Minkah lead the team in tackles (per play anyway). And then we lose our best asset in the secondary (although wouldn't it be nice if Porter became that next season over Minkah, who's elite!)

            I also agree about Smith. My gut reaction was not very positive. But the more I learn about the hire, the more I think it makes sense. I do wish we could somehow cross over to the NFC for the playoffs though. Just so many good QBs on our side of the league.
            I think the DL, they know. Leal, Benton the last 2 years on day 2. I suspect they'll try to find another Benton in this draft...

            Let's hope our second thoughts about Smith are right. Hopefully, it's a good fit.
            2013 MNF Executive Champion!

            DeVille's final Mock
            1.20 - Tailiese Fuaga, OT, Oregon St
            2.51 - Zach Frazier, C, WVU
            3.84 - Luke Mccaffery, WR, Rice
            3.98 - Andru Phillips, CB, Kentucky
            4.117 - Maason Smith, DT, LSU
            6.178 - Travis Glover, OT, Ga State
            6.195 - Dillon Johnson, RB, Washington

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            • Northern_Blitz
              Legend
              • Dec 2008
              • 22741

              #7
              Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
              I have a sneaking suspicion that KP may eventually be the only layover


              I think the DL, they know. Leal, Benton the last 2 years on day 2. I suspect they'll try to find another Benton in this draft...

              Let's hope our second thoughts about Smith are right. Hopefully, it's a good fit.
              I hope so...looks like we maybe missed on Leal. Or at least he didn't get as many snaps as we would have liked. Even with Cam down.

              I'm keeping my fingers crossed on Smith (toes too).

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              • flippy
                Legend
                • Dec 2008
                • 17088

                #8
                Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                Great point Joel. Kicker is all world, Punter needs to be replaced. And the coverage team was really good,

                Mason was only "solid", I'll stand by that. He still has issues with pocket awareness, he just had a much better offensive line as compared to the last time he had significant minutes.
                The issue is Harvin is a good holder which is the only thing keeping him around imho.
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                • SteelerOfDeVille
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 8823

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                  I hope so...looks like we maybe missed on Leal. Or at least he didn't get as many snaps as we would have liked. Even with Cam down.

                  I'm keeping my fingers crossed on Smith (toes too).
                  Admitting that *I* missed on Leal as well. I had both him in the 2022 draft and Benton in the 2023 draft.

                  One was a DE and one was a DE/NT in a 34. but their profiles read VERY similarly. Both were run stuffing D-Linemen with "average" pass rush skills. But, they're clearly different players on the field.
                  2013 MNF Executive Champion!

                  DeVille's final Mock
                  1.20 - Tailiese Fuaga, OT, Oregon St
                  2.51 - Zach Frazier, C, WVU
                  3.84 - Luke Mccaffery, WR, Rice
                  3.98 - Andru Phillips, CB, Kentucky
                  4.117 - Maason Smith, DT, LSU
                  6.178 - Travis Glover, OT, Ga State
                  6.195 - Dillon Johnson, RB, Washington

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                  • Northern_Blitz
                    Legend
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 22741

                    #10
                    Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                    Admitting that *I* missed on Leal as well. I had both him in the 2022 draft and Benton in the 2023 draft.

                    One was a DE and one was a DE/NT in a 34. but their profiles read VERY similarly. Both were run stuffing D-Linemen with "average" pass rush skills. But, they're clearly different players on the field.
                    It's weird because he looked OK when he had to come in and play edge when Watt was hurt.

                    But seemed to be pretty far down in the pecking order this year.

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                    • whatever
                      Legend
                      • Sep 2019
                      • 5335

                      #11
                      Originally posted by feltdizz
                      This is good review. I think if Kenny didn’t get injured we were headed for 12 wins minimum which would’ve been amazing given how the season started. 10-7 was still impressive and overall we over achieved.

                      I wasn’t a fan of Smith being hired but like you, I’ve come around on it and will think positively. A coworker is a Falcons fan and said Smith likes to use TEs over the middle of field and expect us to draft a TE. I laughed because we DO have a second TE and we didn’t use the middle of the field.
                      Yet we didn’t have any talent?
                      How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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                      • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 9653

                        #12
                        Originally posted by feltdizz
                        This is good review. I think if Kenny didn?t get injured we were headed for 12 wins minimum which would?ve been amazing given how the season started. 10-7 was still impressive and overall we over achieved.

                        I wasn?t a fan of Smith being hired but like you, I?ve come around on it and will think positively. A coworker is a Falcons fan and said Smith likes to use TEs over the middle of field and expect us to draft a TE. I laughed because we DO have a second TE and we didn?t use the middle of the field.
                        I think we'll see what we see. As the OC on a team with Derrick Henry (and Ryan Tannehill), we saw a run focused offense. On a team with Kyle Pitts, a weak QB, and two good backs, we saw them run the ball as much as the Steelers and target the safe passing game a lot. A good OC will tailor his offense to the abilities of the personnel. Let's see if Smith does that.
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                        • WindyCitySteel
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                          • Nov 2011
                          • 14257

                          #13
                          Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                          I think we'll see what we see. As the OC on a team with Derrick Henry (and Ryan Tannehill), we saw a run focused offense. On a team with Kyle Pitts, a weak QB, and two good backs, we saw them run the ball as much as the Steelers and target the safe passing game a lot. A good OC will tailor his offense to the abilities of the personnel. Let's see if Smith does that.
                          It's more than that. Vrabel had Henry for three seasons and gave DeMarco Murray more touches for the first two, and Dion Lewis about the same amount in year 3. Henry (and Tannehill) blossomed in Smith's offense.

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                          • feltdizz
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 26496

                            #14
                            Originally posted by whatever
                            Yet we didn’t have any talent?
                            please quote where I said we didn't have ANY talent.. or hush.
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                            • feltdizz
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 26496

                              #15
                              Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                              It's more than that. Vrabel had Henry for three seasons and gave DeMarco Murray more touches for the first two, and Dion Lewis about the same amount in year 3. Henry (and Tannehill) blossomed in Smith's offense.
                              Vrabel wasn't the head coach when Murray was there. That was under Mularkey.

                              Vrabel has Lewis and Henry in 2018.
                              Henry 215 rush for 1059
                              Lewis 155 attempts for 517.

                              Receptions is were Lewis dwarfed Henry.
                              Lewis 59 rec
                              Henry 15 rec

                              As soon as Smith arrived in 2019 you saw the difference.

                              2019: Henry 303 attempts: 1500 yards.. 16TD's and an AFCCG appearance.
                              2020: 378 attempts, 2000+ yards, 17TD's
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