Ryan Clark: Steelers Won't Compete Until They Find Their Franchise Quarterback

[hawaiiansteel]

Ryan Clark: Steelers Won't Compete Until They Find Their Franchise Quarterback

by Alex Kozora
Jan 16, 2024

https://steelersdepot.com/2024/01/ryan-clark-steelers-wont-compete-until-they-find-franchise-quarterback/

[Eich]

He's not wrong. Not that you have to be a genius to make that statement!

[whatever]

I disagree.
I think all you have to do is outscore your opponents enough times to quality for the playoffs and then out score them every playoff game that you play.

[Eich]

I disagree.
I think all you have to do is outscore your opponents enough times to quality for the playoffs and then out score them every playoff game that you play.

LOL. You might be on to something...

[whatever]

LOL. You might be on to something...

I’m a genius.
Don’t know why other organizations haven’t figured that out yet… lol

[Oviedo]

Exactly what I have been saying. We don't have a Top 15 QB, maybe not Top 25, on the roster. Until you find that guy, it will be a repeat of the Post-Bradshaw/Pre-Ben years. It doesn't matter who you have as head coach.

[Eich]

Well, I'm still not convinced that Kenny can't be that guy. Is it likely? No. But we paired him with the worst coordinator in the league and an O Line that took 3/4 of the season to figure itself out. Not many year 1-2 QBs in this league would have shined in that situation IMO.

The jury is still out on Kenny because we haven't properly evaluated him. The only full game he played without Canada, the offense looked immensely better. And that was with Canada's system.

[whatever]

Exactly what I have been saying. We don't have a Top 15 QB, maybe not Top 25, on the roster. Until you find that guy, it will be a repeat of the Post-Bradshaw/Pre-Ben years. It doesn't matter who you have as head coach.

Well, Tomlin had a HOF qb for the majority of his career and couldn’t win with his players or coaches, so I guess it does matter who the HC is.
AND Tomlin drafted the ‘not top 15 or top 25 qb’s’ o this roster.

[WindyCitySteel]

Exactly what I have been saying. We don't have a Top 15 QB, maybe not Top 25, on the roster. Until you find that guy, it will be a repeat of the Post-Bradshaw/Pre-Ben years. It doesn't matter who you have as head coach.

Cowher made a Super Bowl and several AFCC Games without a franchise QB, didn't win until he got him, sure, but the ceiling was higher than sneaking in because they expanded the field and then getting blown out.

Tomlin not only needs a HOF QB, he needs a loaded roster, great coordinators, and for top QBs to get hurt/beaten in the playoffs.

[Oviedo]

Well, I'm still not convinced that Kenny can't be that guy. Is it likely? No. But we paired him with the worst coordinator in the league and an O Line that took 3/4 of the season to figure itself out. Not many year 1-2 QBs in this league would have shined in that situation IMO.

The jury is still out on Kenny because we haven't properly evaluated him. The only full game he played without Canada, the offense looked immensely better. And that was with Canada's system.

The OC has nothing to do with being slow reading defense, slow decision making and inaccurate passes. Add in durability questions.

For the team's sake I hope he proves me wrong, but not optimistic and I'm typically very optimistic

[Chucktownsteeler]

These guys act like you can go to any street corner in America and pick up a franchise QB. By the way, I still haven't heard what a good definition is. We know one when we see one, but what's the definition?

[whatever]

Cowher made a Super Bowl and several AFCC Games without a franchise QB, didn't win until he got him, sure, but the ceiling was higher than sneaking in because they expanded the field and then getting blown out.

Tomlin not only needs a HOF QB, he needs a loaded roster, great coordinators, and for top QBs to get hurt/beaten in the playoffs.

And he would still choke.
History proves that.

[hawaiiansteel]

Exactly what I have been saying. We don't have a Top 15 QB, maybe not Top 25, on the roster.

Until you find that guy, it will be a repeat of the Post-Bradshaw/Pre-Ben years.

it pains me to read the list of QBs we had during that dark period before Ben finally came along.

[Eich]

These guys act like you can go to any street corner in America and pick up a franchise QB. By the way, I still haven't heard what a good definition is. We know one when we see one, but what's the definition?

The leader and best player on your offense and the guy you can and want to build your "franchise" around for the foreseeable future. Does it really need more definition than that?

[Northern_Blitz]

These guys act like you can go to any street corner in America and pick up a franchise QB. By the way, I still haven't heard what a good definition is. We know one when we see one, but what's the definition?

I think the qualitative definition is something like "a QB that can win consistently when they have a market value contract".

Quantitatively, I'd probably say something like "a QB that can still consistently lead their team to the playoffs (and playoff wins) when they have a cap hit of $15M or more (6.25% of the current salary cap)".

Maybe the number above is low. Because is a player can do that at $15M / year, they are going to get a big raise soon.