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  • Captain Lemming
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    • Jun 2008
    • 15964

    Ward or Harrison- If you could only chose ONE

    For HOF?
    Rule? Cannot choose both.
    One gets in, the other does not.

    Who gets YOUR HOF nod if you could only pick one?

    This should be fun.
    Last edited by Captain Lemming; 11-30-2023, 01:36 AM.
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    In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

    TCFCLTC-
    The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher
  • hawaiiansteel
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 34956

    #2

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    • Joel Buchsbaum
      Legend
      • Jan 2021
      • 7475

      #3
      Originally posted by Captain Lemming
      For HOF?
      Rule? Cannot choose both.
      One gets in, the other does not.

      Who gets YOUR HOF nod if you could only pick one?

      This should be fun.
      Man, this is a hard choice. I would pick Harrison just because his odds of getting in the hall of fame are like 25%. Ward is 50/50. So I'd pick James.

      They don't make players like either of them anymore. Todays players are soft. These men were not.
      Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

      Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

      *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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      • feltdizz
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 27059

        #4
        Harrison for me. The SB INT plays over and over on a loop ar his ceremony.
        Steelers 27
        Rats 16

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        • Terrapin
          Pro Bowler
          • Sep 2017
          • 2058

          #5
          Harrison. Hines was great, but never 'elite'. Harrison was defensive POY, and at least for a few seasons was the best at his position.

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          • Chucktownsteeler
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 6645

            #6
            Tough choice but Harrison. Both excelled at their position.
            Help me find my post proving I am a Yinzer!

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            • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 9971

              #7
              I go Harrison. For a short period of time, he was the very best at what he did. Hines was always one of the best, but never nearly at the top of the WR list. Plus, competition amongst receivers is always tough.
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              • NorthCoast
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                • Sep 2008
                • 25816

                #8
                How can you not vote in a player that had rules changed because of him?

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                • Chucktownsteeler
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 6645

                  #9
                  Originally posted by NorthCoast
                  How can you not vote in a player that had rules changed because of him?
                  To a point that is both.
                  Help me find my post proving I am a Yinzer!

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                  • papillon
                    Legend
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 11334

                    #10
                    Harrison for me, DPOY and most dominant defensive player for about 5 or 6 years. Hines was mister consistency but never OPOY or dominant for any period of time. I hope they both get in the HOF in the real world but its doubtful that either ever get in, unless by the senior committee.

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                    The 2024 Pittsburgh Steeler draft

                    1.20 - Troy Fautanu, T, Washington
                    2.51 - Zach Frazier, C, West Virginia
                    3.84 - Roman Wilson, WR, Michigan
                    3.98 - Payton Wilson, LB, UNC
                    4.119 - Mason McCprmick, OG, S. Dakota St
                    7.178 - Logan Lee, DT, Iowa
                    7.195 -

                    "Football is a physical game, well, it used to be anyways" - Mel Blount

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                    • flippy
                      Legend
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 17088

                      #11
                      I?m going with Ward because James has an easier path to get in. The more time that goes by, the more Ward gets compared to modern passing/receiving stats and it becomes harder and harder for him to get in.

                      I hope the voters look at context. Hines played on run first teams and a lot of his career included some no name QBs like Kordell, Maddox, Kent, and even the early years of Big Ben where he didn?t throw the ball a lot.

                      I don?t know his exact stats when he retired, but he was a top 20-30 guy based purely on stats. And his playoff numbers were even better. Hines shined in the big moments. Imagine what his numbers could have been if paired with a HOF QB during his prime years like most other WRs in the HOF.

                      Hines was a football player first and WR second. I don?t think we?ve seen a WR in the league with his tenacity. He was on a run first team and made sure people noticed him all the time with effort all over the field even when he didn?t have the ball.

                      He?s a unique breed. Heck we didn?t even want him to start and tried to replace him at every turn.

                      Id love to see them put a bust of Hines in the HOF with a helmet on with Ward taped across the front reminding people who he was.

                      It?s amazing that a WR was inside everyone opponents head before every game. He made everyone around him better and did way more than most WRs in the HOF who collected bigger stats.

                      While many top guys were making stats, Hines was making a difference on every play.
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                      • T.Ferguson
                        Pro Bowler
                        • Sep 2021
                        • 2371

                        #12
                        Both belong in the HOF without a doubt so can't pick, two of my favorite players. Is there an actual criteria for the HOF, is it just stats? Even if that is the basis both belong in, when Ward retired he was in the top 20 of all time in most categories and was a SB MVP. But I believe another measurement should be how players play in the biggest games and moments and both of these guys were so clutch it's crazy. To me that is the ultimate measurement of greatness in a player.

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                        • pczach
                          Backup
                          • Jul 2023
                          • 303

                          #13
                          It's like picking between your children!

                          If I had to pick one, it would have to be Harrison, because he was a truly great player and Defensive Player of the Year. He had about 5 years where he was the baddest man in the NFL. True dominance. It was just for a shorter period of time.

                          I don't think he gets in, but he was the greater player because of the height of his career.

                          Ward was more consistent over a longer period of time. Hopefully he gets a real shot at it, but it will be difficult. He will have to wait a long time even to have a chance IMO.

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                          • pczach
                            Backup
                            • Jul 2023
                            • 303

                            #14
                            Originally posted by flippy
                            I?m going with Ward because James has an easier path to get in. The more time that goes by, the more Ward gets compared to modern passing/receiving stats and it becomes harder and harder for him to get in.

                            I hope the voters look at context. Hines played on run first teams and a lot of his career included some no name QBs like Kordell, Maddox, Kent, and even the early years of Big Ben where he didn?t throw the ball a lot.

                            I don?t know his exact stats when he retired, but he was a top 20-30 guy based purely on stats. And his playoff numbers were even better. Hines shined in the big moments. Imagine what his numbers could have been if paired with a HOF QB during his prime years like most other WRs in the HOF.

                            Hines was a football player first and WR second. I don?t think we?ve seen a WR in the league with his tenacity. He was on a run first team and made sure people noticed him all the time with effort all over the field even when he didn?t have the ball.

                            He?s a unique breed. Heck we didn?t even want him to start and tried to replace him at every turn.

                            Id love to see them put a bust of Hines in the HOF with a helmet on with Ward taped across the front reminding people who he was.

                            It?s amazing that a WR was inside everyone opponents head before every game. He made everyone around him better and did way more than most WRs in the HOF who collected bigger stats.

                            While many top guys were making stats, Hines was making a difference on every play.
                            The one thing that really helped Hines is playing with Ben late in his career. Hines couldn't beat you or me in man coverage, but he killed zone coverage, and Ben would extend plays and find Hines in the chaos. Hines put up good numbers long after he lost his athleticism because of Ben.

                            I hope those extended years of his career put him over the top. He was the most physical WR that has ever played the sport. I can't think of anyone that was able to punish people the way he did, plus he was money at crunch time.

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                            • WindyCitySteel
                              Legend
                              • Nov 2011
                              • 15325

                              #15
                              Hines would give the better speech, Deebo probably more deserving.

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