Tomlin just gave a presser saying HE fired Canada

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  • WindyCitySteel
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    • Nov 2011
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    #91
    Jaylen said that they now have the green light to be more aggressive now that Canada is gone. Again, Tomlin had 2.5 years to tell him to open things up and never did, I think this points to Rooney firing Canada and telling Tomlin to butt out of the offense.

    Steelers RB Jaylen Warren delivered the cold truth on Matt Canada for his conservative gameplan against the Browns.

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    • NorthCoast
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      • Sep 2008
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      #92
      Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
      How did Canada get so much power in this organization? Faulkner said in his first presser that he's going to empower people around him, apparently Canada wanted no part of that and was allowed to do it his way for almost 3 years.

      https://steelersdepot.com/2023/11/du...s-in-gameplan/
      That's not necessarily a bad thing for a coach. But if you suck at your job you pretty much have nowhere to hide cause it's all on you.

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      • feltdizz
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        • May 2008
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        #93
        Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
        Jaylen said that they now have the green light to be more aggressive now that Canada is gone. Again, Tomlin had 2.5 years to tell him to open things up and never did, I think this points to Rooney firing Canada and telling Tomlin to butt out of the offense.

        https://steelersnow.com/pittsburgh-s...anada-offense/
        I think we have no idea if Tomlin is involved or not on offense. It depends on who you want to blame.



        I'm just happy a change was finally made.
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        • Eich
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          • Jul 2010
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          #94
          I'm still a bit surprised by the instant and significant improvement in the offense. Kenny looked like a completely different QB. If he closes out the season playing this well, that's quite a statement on what Canada did to him.

          I think it helped that Kenny wasn't under constant pressure against the Bungles. But the way they played might have had something to do with that too.

          It's nice to be finally excited about the offense going forward. The same excitement I had after watching Kenny in pre-season. Really hoping he can build on that performance.

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          • feltdizz
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            • May 2008
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            #95
            Originally posted by Eich
            I'm still a bit surprised by the instant and significant improvement in the offense. Kenny looked like a completely different QB. If he closes out the season playing this well, that's quite a statement on what Canada did to him.

            I think it helped that Kenny wasn't under constant pressure against the Bungles. But the way they played might have had something to do with that too.

            It's nice to be finally excited about the offense going forward. The same excitement I had after watching Kenny in pre-season. Really hoping he can build on that performance.
            Not getting blasted on the first play also helps.

            Really curious to see how Kenny performs against a good defense without Canada. Now I wonder if the timing was by design. Fire Canada and let the offense beat up on a few bad teams to give them confidence and trust with the new staff.
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            • Buzz
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              • Dec 2017
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              #96
              Originally posted by feltdizz
              Not getting blasted on the first play also helps.

              Really curious to see how Kenny performs against a good defense without Canada. Now I wonder if the timing was by design. Fire Canada and let the offense beat up on a few bad teams to give them confidence and trust with the new staff.
              A better design would've been to fire him before the season started

              I think Tomlin was perfectly content to ride with Canada, until things reached a boiling point in the Stains game. The firing was MT's decision, but I think he made it abruptly and reluctantly, because his hand was essentially forced.

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              • Captain Lemming
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                • Jun 2008
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                #97
                Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                Jaylen said that they now have the green light to be more aggressive now that Canada is gone. Again, Tomlin had 2.5 years to tell him to open things up and never did, I think this points to Rooney firing Canada and telling Tomlin to butt out of the offense.

                https://steelersnow.com/pittsburgh-s...anada-offense/
                Or Tomlin begged Rooney to let him fire Canada for the 20th time and Rooney FINALLY gave in.

                We really have no way of knowing unless we want to drive a narrative. This timing tells does not tell us anything but SURE WORKS IN TOMLINS BENEFIT.

                What we DO KNOW is that we have not fired a coordinator mid season since SHIPS WERE BEING SANK AT PEARL HARBOR. Long before Tomlin was born.

                We have had PLENTY of bad coordinators in that time Windy. THE ROONEYS HAVE A TRACK RECORD OF RELUCTANCE TO FIRING THEM.

                Decisions are made collaboratively.

                I WILL CREATE A TOMLIN IS EVIL SCENARIO just so you understand.

                Simple logic says SELF INTEREST ALONE would motivate Tomlin to be first to want Canada gone with this PRECISE timing.

                Canada gone, play a bad defense, we gain more yards than we EVER DID under Canada.

                Could not script it better for Tomlin. ESPECIALLY if he was not ALLOWED to fire Canada.

                I would suggest, Tomlin started the ball rolling on this one and the idea that Tomlin wanted to stubbornly keep Canada would do nothing but be a bad look that would get him fired.
                Last edited by Captain Lemming; 11-27-2023, 06:25 PM.
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                In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                TCFCLTC-
                The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                • Captain Lemming
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                  • Jun 2008
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                  #98
                  Originally posted by Buzz
                  A better design would've been to fire him before the season started

                  I think Tomlin was perfectly content to ride with Canada, until things reached a boiling point in the Stains game. The firing was MT's decision, but I think he made it abruptly and reluctantly, because his hand was essentially forced.
                  Or we could let Rooney say why HE kept Canada:


                  Rooney seems pretty clear on why Canada was kept.
                  Last edited by Captain Lemming; 11-27-2023, 06:40 PM.
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                  In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                  TCFCLTC-
                  The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                  • feltdizz
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                    • May 2008
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                    #99
                    Originally posted by Buzz
                    A better design would've been to fire him before the season started

                    I think Tomlin was perfectly content to ride with Canada, until things reached a boiling point in the Stains game. The firing was MT's decision, but I think he made it abruptly and reluctantly, because his hand was essentially forced.
                    or Tomlin was finally given the go ahead to fire Canada because Rooney is cheap.

                    We will never know why it happened when it happened.

                    but I’m glad it happened.
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                    • feltdizz
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                      • May 2008
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                      Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                      Or we could let Rooney say why HE kept Canada:


                      Rooney seems pretty clear on why Canada was kept.
                      The reason we have been competitive and successful all these years is because the Rooneys are extremely patient.

                      Sometimes it can be frustrating how slow they are to make changes.
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                      • Captain Lemming
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                        • Jun 2008
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                        Originally posted by feltdizz
                        I think we have no idea if Tomlin is involved or not on offense. It depends on…
                        …If the offense is good or bad.

                        He WAS responsible for the bad offense. He is NOT responsible for 400 yards yesterday.

                        Not really that hard to grasp.
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                        In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                        TCFCLTC-
                        The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                        • Captain Lemming
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                          • Jun 2008
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                          Goes back to what you said before. He was also overridden in his clear desire for Willis because Rooney chose Pickett until Pickett began struggling. Then it was ALL TOMLIN.

                          Not sure where we are at now.

                          I guess we need to see if Pickett can be consistent before we credit Rooney again.
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                          In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                          TCFCLTC-
                          The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                          • WindyCitySteel
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                            • Nov 2011
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                            Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                            ?If the offense is good or bad.

                            He WAS responsible for the bad offense. He is NOT responsible for 400 yards yesterday.

                            Not really that hard to grasp.
                            I mean, he sat by and watched and defended Canada multiple times as they failed over and over again, the week after he's gone it's like night and day.

                            My guess is that he probably didn't have a big say in the game plan yesterday, rather he finally let his guys do their jobs.

                            The alternative is that Canada had more power than Tomlin and Rooney came to the rescue and fired the bully?

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                            • Captain Lemming
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                              • Jun 2008
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                              Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                              I mean, he sat by and watched and defended Canada multiple times as they failed over and over again, the week after he's gone it's like night and day.

                              My guess is that he probably didn't have a big say in the game plan yesterday, rather he finally let his guys do their jobs.

                              The alternative is that Canada had more power than Tomlin and Rooney came to the rescue and fired the bully?
                              Or much more likely, Tomlin sets an agenda but has nothing to do with specific play calls on offense.
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                              In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                              TCFCLTC-
                              The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                              • WindyCitySteel
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                                • Nov 2011
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                                Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                                Or much more likely, Tomlin sets an agenda but has nothing to do with specific play calls on offense.
                                Sure, but he can certainly say, "uh, how about we use the middle of the field this week, Matty?". He said earlier in the year during a presser that he wasn't worried about the offense because he's part of the process.

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