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  • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
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    • May 2008
    • 9653

    Nobody mentioning Harvin against Cleveland?

    Okay, I'll do it since the guy does take a ton of heat (often rightfully so) for his punting. Harvin had a statistically very good game against Cleveland, and I will also point out why I hate just looking at stats.

    7 punts - 45.7avg.
    40 yard net
    4 of 7 inside the 20
    2 touchbacks

    First punt from own 40 - 55 yards downed by Steelers excellent punt, excellent result

    Second punt from Cle 40 - only 31 yards but all net, downed at the 9. Good punt (not great) because you were able to pin the O inside the 10 but not as deep as you'd like. Punting from the 40 is not as easy as it sounds, which is why teams often take a delay of game penalty when they are that deep.

    Third punt from Cle 41 - again deep in Cle territory and a horrible result, only 21 yards net. However, Harvin did give the ST enough time to get down there and bounced it on the 1. Would have taken a great ST play but not as bad as it looks.

    Fourth punt from Cle 48 - another touchback but bounced it at the 5 with two STers right there. Not as difficult as the last punt, play really could have been made. Net of 28 not reflective of the punt.

    Fifth punt from Cle 41 - beautiful punt, landed it inside the 5 and rolled out coffin corner, did it all himself.

    Sixth punt at Pit 33 - should have easily been caught at the 28, but for some reason returner misjudged and Steelers received a gift of about 22 yards. 61 yard punt to the 6 that never should have been. Really not a good punt (39 yard fair catch should have been) but great result.

    Last punt Pit 31 - fair caught at 25 with defender standing beside the returner for 44 yards all net.

    Fourth and sixth punts are why you have to watch and not use stats to judge performance. One good punt with bad result, one bad punt with great result. As a matter of fact I'd say that was the only bad punt of the night by Harvin.

    Two other things stand out here. 1) Not one punt was returned and 2) Harvin was punting from deep field position all night. 4 of 7 inside Cle territory. Punting on a short field and still pretty good distance overall.

    Note, this is not an argument that Harvin is a good punter. This is an argument that he had a good game. We'll need to see a lot more good games to actually call him a good punter, but will give him this one to start.
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  • Chucktownsteeler
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    • May 2008
    • 6630

    #2
    You missed the biggest one - a great save on a bad FG snap enabling Boswell to nail it.

    This was huge.
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    • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
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      • May 2008
      • 9653

      #3
      Originally posted by Chucktownsteeler
      You missed the biggest one - a great save on a bad FG snap enabling Boswell to nail it.

      This was huge.
      Agree, that's one more nice play by him.
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      • Northern_Blitz
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        • Dec 2008
        • 22741

        #4
        Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
        Okay, I'll do it since the guy does take a ton of heat (often rightfully so) for his punting. Harvin had a statistically very good game against Cleveland, and I will also point out why I hate just looking at stats.7 punts - 45.7avg.40 yard net4 of 7 inside the 202 touchbacksFirst punt from own 40 - 55 yards downed by Steelers excellent punt, excellent resultSecond punt from Cle 40 - only 31 yards but all net, downed at the 9. Good punt (not great) because you were able to pin the O inside the 10 but not as deep as you'd like. Punting from the 40 is not as easy as it sounds, which is why teams often take a delay of game penalty when they are that deep.Third punt from Cle 41 - again deep in Cle territory and a horrible result, only 21 yards net. However, Harvin did give the ST enough time to get down there and bounced it on the 1. Would have taken a great ST play but not as bad as it looks.Fourth punt from Cle 48 - another touchback but bounced it at the 5 with two STers right there. Not as difficult as the last punt, play really could have been made. Net of 28 not reflective of the punt.Fifth punt from Cle 41 - beautiful punt, landed it inside the 5 and rolled out coffin corner, did it all himself.Sixth punt at Pit 33 - should have easily been caught at the 28, but for some reason returner misjudged and Steelers received a gift of about 22 yards. 61 yard punt to the 6 that never should have been. Really not a good punt (39 yard fair catch should have been) but great result.Last punt Pit 31 - fair caught at 25 with defender standing beside the returner for 44 yards all net.Fourth and sixth punts are why you have to watch and not use stats to judge performance. One good punt with bad result, one bad punt with great result. As a matter of fact I'd say that was the only bad punt of the night by Harvin. Two other things stand out here. 1) Not one punt was returned and 2) Harvin was punting from deep field position all night. 4 of 7 inside Cle territory. Punting on a short field and still pretty good distance overall.Note, this is not an argument that Harvin is a good punter. This is an argument that he had a good game. We'll need to see a lot more good games to actually call him a good punter, but will give him this one to start.
        Great point. I'm happy to take shots at him when he had a bad game. But he was an important part of the win on Monday.

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        • SteelerOfDeVille
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          • May 2008
          • 8823

          #5
          I've seen a few mention him, but mostly in threads... every one of 'em was complimentary
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          • feltdizz
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            • May 2008
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            #6
            Much better game this week.

            and this is why stats don’t tell the whole story. Trying to pin a team deep will skew stats.

            He should’ve had another punt downed inside the 5.
            Stains 29
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            • Captain Lemming
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              • Jun 2008
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              #7
              Originally posted by Chucktownsteeler
              You missed the biggest one - a great save on a bad FG snap enabling Boswell to nail it.

              This was huge.
              You act like this is rare. Dude is ALWAYS HUGE.
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              • The Answer
                Benchwarmer
                • Sep 2010
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                #8
                He had a great game, but how excited do you expect someone to get when he has one good game every couple years? Let's see if it continues.

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                • Starlifter
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                  • May 2008
                  • 4912

                  #9
                  He had a phenomenal game against Cleveland. But I need a trend as opposed to an aberration. He certainly has the skills to be consistent, let’s hope this was the start.
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                  • NorthCoast
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                    • Sep 2008
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                    #10
                    I gave him props in some post game thread here. Field position was critical and he absolutely did his part. Does Tomlin have to threaten him with his job every week though?

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                    • Oviedo
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                      • May 2008
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                      #11
                      Too many have invested too much hate to give Harvin credit. Their message board cred is more important than giving credit where it is due
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                      • fordfixer
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                        • May 2008
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                        #12
                        I was ready to cut him loose after week 1 ( not that anyone checks with me) ,but He had a much better game last week.

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                        • WindyCitySteel
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                          • Nov 2011
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                          #13
                          Thanks for pointing it out. He did have a good game, needs to start stacking them, could be our biggest offensive weapon.

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                          • Buzz
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                            • Dec 2017
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                            Thanks for pointing it out. He did have a good game, needs to start stacking them, could be our biggest offensive weapon.
                            This

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