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  • WindyCitySteel
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    • Nov 2011
    • 14277

    Kozora on how to fix the run game

    Or at least try to fix it. Just another indicator that there is no plan offensively, just call random plays and execute as called with no ability to audible. JV coaching staff.

    I’ve gone back through every single Pittsburgh Steelers designed run of the season. Not that there’s been many. But it sure wasn’t pretty. While there’s a lot broken about this running game — we’ll dive into the X’s and O’s in a separate video to discuss one key point — there’s something the Steelers haven’t […]
  • feltdizz
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    • May 2008
    • 26535

    #2
    Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
    Or at least try to fix it. Just another indicator that there is no plan offensively, just call random plays and execute as called with no ability to audible. JV coaching staff.

    https://steelersdepot.com/2023/09/on...nt-been-tried/
    how about blocking someone.. half the time these dudes aren’t even touching defenders.
    Stains 29
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    • Mr.wizard
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      • May 2014
      • 6587

      #3
      I don't really dont think the scheme matters all that much if you are running into stacked boxes. You have to build in pass plays that Kenny can check too and back these defenders off. If teams are going to play that close to the line then you have to make them pay for it.

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      • WindyCitySteel
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        • Nov 2011
        • 14277

        #4
        Originally posted by Mr.wizard
        I don't really dont think the scheme matters all that much if you are running into stacked boxes. You have to build in pass plays that Kenny can check too and back these defenders off. If teams are going to play that close to the line then you have to make them pay for it.
        Run 12-personnel with Broderick Jones at LT and bludgeon people. Worst case you go 3-out and bruise up the D.

        The Steelers have no offensive identity.

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        • Blitzer
          Pro Bowler
          • Nov 2022
          • 1050

          #5
          Run a few NFL caliber plays

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          • Steel Maniac
            Banned
            • Apr 2017
            • 19472

            #6
            Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
            Run 12-personnel with Broderick Jones at LT and bludgeon people. Worst case you go 3-out and bruise up the D.

            The Steelers have no offensive identity.
            Yeah; it’s sad.

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            • Northern_Blitz
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              • Dec 2008
              • 22775

              #7
              1) Last year I didn't credit Canada for the improved run game at the end of the year because I believe that our OL coach is our "run game coordinator" and owns the running game. So I also think that the terrible running game is more on Meyer than Canada this season.

              2) I think Foster said (yesterday...maybe the day before) that it's hard to pull from the back side when you don't trust that you're not going to get big penetration on the front side. I'm not sure I completely understand his point (seems to me like more bodies in the direction you're running would be goo). But maybe part of it is also that pulling plays are more complicated. I heard in one of the podcasts (cant remember if it was Terrible or Ramon) that players were stepping on each other multiple times in the run game against the Browns. Lots of little stupid stuff (I think it was the Terrible Podcast from yesterday?). If that's true, maybe what they need is less complex, just beat the guy in front of you kind of stuff?

              Who knows...since the offense is so bad at everything, it kind of feels like changing anything would be a good idea?

              Is anyone else starting to think that they'd rather have a loss where the offense looks like it belongs in the NFL rather than a win like last week? Of course I'd rather have a good win. But to me this year is still more about developing KP than it is about getting to and hopefully winning a playoff game. Wins like the one against the Browns are nice for the record, but I still think we're more in building for the future mode vs. optimizing to win now.

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              • Northern_Blitz
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                • Dec 2008
                • 22775

                #8
                Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                Run 12-personnel with Broderick Jones at LT and bludgeon people. Worst case you go 3-out and bruise up the D.

                The Steelers have no offensive identity.
                We haven't been throwing to TEs either (5 targets to PF). So if we play Jones at LT, put Moore at one of the TE spots and Washington at the other.

                Anything to try to get positive yards in the running game (I think I heard that almost half of Najee's runs have been for no gain or losses).

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                • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
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                  • May 2008
                  • 9660

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                  2) I think Foster said (yesterday...maybe the day before) that it's hard to pull from the back side when you don't trust that you're not going to get big penetration on the front side. I'm not sure I completely understand his point (seems to me like more bodies in the direction you're running would be goo). But maybe part of it is also that pulling plays are more complicated. I heard in one of the podcasts (cant remember if it was Terrible or Ramon) that players were stepping on each other multiple times in the run game against the Browns. Lots of little stupid stuff (I think it was the Terrible Podcast from yesterday?). If that's true, maybe what they need is less complex, just beat the guy in front of you kind of stuff?
                  I wonder if what he is saying is that it is tough to pull as a guard when the center is getting pushed back so quickly that you have to detour backwards, which stuffs everything into the backfield. It would account for players getting stepped on as others are being pushed back into them. My eyes would tell me that so far that has been happening.
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                  • Shawn
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                    • Mar 2008
                    • 15129

                    #10
                    Originally posted by feltdizz
                    how about blocking someone.. half the time these dudes aren’t even touching defenders.
                    finally someone else is talking about it. That long run by Harris he was locked up because no one blocked anyone. He cut back and turned a loss into a long gain. This OL is really really bad. Until that gets fixed you cant really analyze anything else with any sort of accuracy.
                    Trolls are people too.

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                    • Chucktownsteeler
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                      • May 2008
                      • 6636

                      #11
                      Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                      Run 12-personnel with Broderick Jones at LT and bludgeon people. Worst case you go 3-out and bruise up the D.

                      The Steelers have no offensive identity.
                      Oh, they have an identity alright.
                      Help me find my post proving I am a Yinzer!

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                      • NorthCoast
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                        • Sep 2008
                        • 24941

                        #12
                        Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                        I wonder if what he is saying is that it is tough to pull as a guard when the center is getting pushed back so quickly that you have to detour backwards, which stuffs everything into the backfield. It would account for players getting stepped on as others are being pushed back into them. My eyes would tell me that so far that has been happening.
                        Yes. Pretty sure that is exactly what he was referring to. Impossible to run a straight line to the blocking spot.

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                        • Joel Buchsbaum
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                          • Jan 2021
                          • 7059

                          #13
                          Play the fighters on offense more. Washington more often. Jones to start. Bring in Greg Lloyd as an assistant coach. His job? Discipline. Enforce football justice and weed out those guilty of stupid penalties and shying away from contact. Let those guilty meet with him...

                          Gunner will be soiling his boots. And he won't be alone. In this fantasy job he does not report to Tomlin who has made his share of stupid mistakes too. He dots right below Art Rooney II.
                          Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                          Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                          *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                          • Mr.wizard
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                            • May 2014
                            • 6587

                            #14
                            There really isn't a secret formation, it comes down to situational play calling. If the box is stacked don't run right into it, help your offense by putting them in good situations.

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                            • NorthCoast
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                              • Sep 2008
                              • 24941

                              #15
                              Rewatched the play where Najee had a long run on the cut back. On the front side Moore put up a weak block on Z Smith before running to the second level, Muth was useless on a chip to help. Daniels is still looking for someone to block a week later after he lets Tomlinson blow by him. On the back side Robinson whiffed blocking A. Wright. If not for Harris' superhuman effort it's a 5 yard loss at least.

                              Here's a screenshot:

                              [url=https://flic.kr/p/2p4EhKB][/url][url=https://flic.kr/p/2p4EhKB]capture[/url] by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/191750946@N04/]R W[/url], on Flickr

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