Is this start on offense historically bad?

[Northern_Blitz]

At least for us since UFA started?

The last couple of minutes (starts around 10:30) on the video above show that this is the worst O in the league (as if we didn't already know that). I don't know if this is a historically bad start for us, but I don't remember being this bad since I started watching in Noll's last year. But we also have a lot more saturation of the NFL than we did then.

The video talks about "extra points added" (EPA) which is a new-ish stat to measure how well things are going vs. average. NC talks about this metric too. I think people have said it's kind of like WAR in baseball, but I don't follow baseball at all.

• 32nd EPA on offense. By far the worst in the NFL
• 30th EPA on the ground.
• 32nd in passing EPA. We are averagish in passing yards, but it's because we throw so much. 74% passes is 2nd most in the league.
• 32nd at earning 1st downs (unsurprising since we haven't have a first down in the first !18 minutes of either game we played). Earning new 1st downs (not just converting on 3rd, but getting a new 1st down) on 51% of tries.

I think we've played two pretty good defenses. But I also think this must be a historically bad start on offense. At least for us since UFA started.

So...you know how terrible we are at running the ball? That's the thing we do best on offense.

[WindyCitySteel]

All good, coach isn't concerned.

"I don?t share their concern because of my perspective. I?m a part of the process, when you?re apart of the process, it?s less troublesome to you," Tomlin said.

[WindyCitySteel]

FYI, Doug Whaley on Fan Morning Show now for an hour. Good talk so far. DW thinks Kenny is either pressing because the scheme is bad, or is suffering PTSD from all the hits.

Dorin Dickerson said he still doesn't have the freedom to check at the line and they're running into stacked boxes.

[NorthCoast]

All good, coach isn't concerned.

"I don?t share their concern because of my perspective. I?m a part of the process, when you?re apart of the process, it?s less troublesome to you," Tomlin said.

Yea, that quote annoyed me. If you are a part of the process, and there is a problem, then you are a part of the problem.
Having said this, we know by now that what he says in public might be very different than what he does behind the scenes. Though I will say Rooney needs to start the seat warmer on him. Your past only buys you so much future...

[Chucktownsteeler]

We once started with losses of 51-0 and 42-10 to division rivals. We made the playoffs that year. I’m not sure if there could be a worse start than that.

[WindyCitySteel]

In pictures this looks so, so much worse. We're playing a different game than everyone else.

[Eich]

In pictures this looks so, so much worse. We're playing a different game than everyone else.

That picture is sure worth a thousand words. If it doesn't improve drastically this season, that picture should accompany Canada's walking papers.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Yea, that quote annoyed me. If you are a part of the process, and there is a problem, then you are a part of the problem.

Same, I was annoyed. Then I wondered if he meant, "unlike them, I have the ability to influence it so I know we're good"

Having said this, we know by now that what he says in public might be very different than what he does behind the scenes. Though I will say Rooney needs to start the seat warmer on him. Your past only buys you so much future....

Thing is, the defenses have been so dang good; and the offensives have been equally bad.

You need an offense that tries to score 40 weekly and a defense that tries to pitch a shutout weekly. If this team had a middle-of-the-road offense (or better), they'd be a contender.

[flippy]

We gained -7 yards in the 4th Q.

That’s a bad stat imho. It tells me we’re not even putting up a fight on O when an opposing D should be getting a little worn down.

The play calling is bad but it feels like the effort is almost non existent.

We would have been more effective taking knees on every 4th Q play.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

That picture is sure worth a thousand words. If it doesn't improve drastically this season, that picture should accompany Canada's walking papers.

Honestly, I'm hoping for 3-0 wins the next 2 weeks where the defense causes a turnovers that lead to FG... i.e., the offense looks really bad, but the the team still wins

[Eich]

We gained -7 yards in the 4th Q.

How many did we gain in the 1st?

There's only one team worse than us in total yards for the season so far. The Bungles. Strange season so far.

[Northern_Blitz]

FYI, Doug Whaley on Fan Morning Show now for an hour. Good talk so far. DW thinks Kenny is either pressing because the scheme is bad, or is suffering PTSD from all the hits.Dorin Dickerson said he still doesn't have the freedom to check at the line and they're running into stacked boxes.

Lots of excuses for KP out there. I think everyone wants to believe that the QB is good.I'd like to see it though.

[Steel Maniac]

All good, coach isn't concerned.

"I don?t share their concern because of my perspective. I?m a part of the process, when you?re apart of the process, it?s less troublesome to you," Tomlin said.

Teflon Tom!! Love it.

[Northern_Blitz]

That picture is sure worth a thousand words. If it doesn't improve drastically this season, that picture should accompany Canada's walking papers.

Just saw this somewhere else and came here to post it.Very clear that this offense is very terrible.Start by changing the OC as soon as possible (ideally jump in a Delorean and do it at the bye last year).Then pray that the QB isn't really anywhere near this bad...because he's been Duck (or worse?) for the last 2 weeks.

[NorthCoast]

Same, I was annoyed. Then I wondered if he meant, "unlike them, I have the ability to influence it so I know we're good"


Thing is, the defenses have been so dang good; and the offensives have been equally bad.

You need an offense that tries to score 40 weekly and a defense that tries to pitch a shutout weekly. If this team had a middle-of-the-road offense (or better), they'd be a contender.

I agree with you. The offense only needs to be average. But if we are being honest, if Chubb played the entire game we are probably staring at 0-2.

Peterson - not as good as advertised
Wallace - is not a CB#1 or even #2
No one on the DL is coming close to replacing Heyward. Leal and Benton probably with the best chance.
Daniels, Cole, and Seumalo - not as good as advertised and maybe a step back from last season

But even after more than a dozen games with KP there still is no offensive identity that I can see. They are giving KP shots on 1st and 2nd down and it's badly inconsistent. They attempted run, run, pass and that's not working. I mentioned in another thread, where are the misdirection plays to confuse a chasing defense? Nada. Just run a jet sweep and try to outrun your guy. This offense is maddening to watch.