Is this start on offense historically bad?

[Buzz]

The Raiders have NFL caliber defensive players that can "wreck" a game plan. The Steelers also have ways to limit those players. The Raiders have offensive players that can "wreck" a game plan.

Ultimately, it boils down to player "execution on game day". Game day. Game day. Game day.

Yeah, we've heard this from you over and over. All NFL coaching staffs are essentially the same. All game plans are essentially equal. Heck, the talent on all rosters is pretty much even. Everything is on the players executing. If they win, sure, give the coaches some of the credit, but if they lose, the players get 100% of the blame.

It's absurd.

Of course, player execution on game day is critical. But if it's all there is to winning, then there's really nothing that can be done to improve the team.

[Northern_Blitz]

True, but they have tape on the whole offense, and it's a a 60-second reel. Every D knows every play by formation. If Kenny cleans up the innaccuracy issues I don't think it makes a huge difference in offensive production.

But I think we both agree that opposing D's knew our entire Mickey-Mouse, crayon drawn playbook last season too. Right?

Especially divisional opponents like the Browns.

Not sure how you can think that the QB not being horrendously awful even in clean pockets doesn't impact the offense.

Pickett has been God-awful so far. It's possible that he's been ruined by Canada (part of the reason I wanted him gone at the bye last year). But whatever the cause, he sure looks ruined through a small sample size so far this year. Still hoping that this is the result of playing two good Ds...we'll see Sunday night I guess.

[Northern_Blitz]

I'm reminded of the AFCC blowout loss to NE a few years ago, after which Mike Mitchell (I think) said that they didn't see the flea-flicker all week during film review. The Pats had actually run it a few weeks earlier, but the Steelers traditionally watch on 4 games worth of film per opponent.

When asked how he prepared for the Steelers, Belichick said he watched every single play they ran all season.

Coaching matters.

IMO no one in their right mind has ever said Tomlin is as good as Billy B.

[Northern_Blitz]

True, but they have tape on the whole offense, and it's a a 60-second reel. Every D knows every play by formation. If Kenny cleans up the innaccuracy issues I don't think it makes a huge difference in offensive production.

Also, why put stock into any PFF grades at all if KP's abysmal rating makes no difference in offensive production? Particularly when you spent a good part of last season telling us about how KP getting good PFF ratings despite us not scoring points meant it was sifting through how bad the system was to give a true evaluation of the QB talent?

But now, KP getting what I assume are the worst PFF scores for a QB doesn't matter at all?

QB play is kind of important in the NFL. Scheme matters too. But I think we're probably at least outside the bottom 1/4 or 1/3 of offense if KP just makes the plays that are there.

I don't know if a Matt Canada offense can ever be average. But when you're in last by a mile, it's way more than just one problem. And I don't think it's possible to be this bad if your QB isn't bad (not necessarily permanent).

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

True, but they have tape on the whole offense, and it's a a 60-second reel. Every D knows every play by formation. If Kenny cleans up the innaccuracy issues I don't think it makes a huge difference in offensive production.

I agree and think that if he makes just a few more of those throws that he should have, things can turn on a dime. From what I have seen, the D has been crowding the LOS. Cleveland even used 5 DL - that is one of those statement strategies that says "we are going to do this until you prove that you can beat us otherwise". If you hit a few passes in a row it forces the D to back off which slows down the pass rush and opens up the run game.

[Northern_Blitz]

I agree and think that if he makes just a few more of those throws that he should have, things can turn on a dime. From what I have seen, the D has been crowding the LOS. Cleveland even used 5 DL - that is one of those statement strategies that says "we are going to do this until you prove that you can beat us otherwise". If you hit a few passes in a row it forces the D to back off which slows down the pass rush and opens up the run game.

This is originally what I thought Windy wrote.But when I read it again, I think he's saying that it doesn't matter if KP plays well because the scheme sucks.I think that's probably true to an extend. I don't know if we can be above average with Canada at OC.Be if KP plays OK to well, we'd at least not be a laughing stock on offense.

[NorthCoast]

I agree and think that if he makes just a few more of those throws that he should have, things can turn on a dime.

I swear you are describing Trubisky's game with that statement.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

I swear you are describing Trubisky's game with that statement.

That's why some guys always seem to find a job despite consistently poor results. You know that there are coaches and coordinators out there watching his tape and saying "if we can only tweak this one thing we have a winner on our hands".

[feltdizz]

True, but they have tape on the whole offense, and it's a a 60-second reel. Every D knows every play by formation. If Kenny cleans up the innaccuracy issues I don't think it makes a huge difference in offensive production.

this is totally false.

Kenny hit Pickens in stride it was a 71 yard TD.

I watched Kenny miss Pickens on another deep slant and he missed DJ on a slant that was a sure TD vs SF and he missed a bunch of open guys the first game. That changes production.

If Kenny is accurate, we will definitely see a change in yards, points and time of possession.

[WindyCitySteel]

this is totally false.

Kenny hit Pickens in stride it was a 71 yard TD.

I watched Kenny miss Pickens on another deep slant and he missed DJ on a slant that was a sure TD vs SF and he missed a bunch of open guys the first game. That changes production.

If Kenny is accurate, we will definitely see a change in yards, points and time of possession.

Extra TD doesn't beat SF. He's never going to complete all of his passes, the odd 5-yard button hook misthrow isn't killing the team.

[Northern_Blitz]

Extra TD doesn't beat SF. He's never going to complete all of his passes, the odd 5-yard button hook misthrow isn't killing the team.

This is such a BS argument.

People are saying: KP has to start completing the easy passes that are there even in the bad system Canada has put together.

Windy says: It doesn't matter if KP plays well as long as Canada is the OC because the scheme is just so bad.

Felt says: He's an example of a pretty straight forward TD that he missed to Pickens. There is also the easy TD he missed to DJ (although I believe we did go on to score on that drive).

Windy says: He's never going to complete all his passes.

There's a huge difference between expecting KP to be something more than the worst QB in the league by a wide margin at throwing balls from clean pockets to expecting him to complete every pass.

Windy...you are being blinded by your confirmation bias here. It's absolutely true that Canada is a bad OC. But it's also absolutely true that Kenny has really, really sucked at QB so far this season.

[WindyCitySteel]

This is such a BS argument.

People are saying: KP has to start completing the easy passes that are there even in the bad system Canada has put together.

Windy says: It doesn't matter if KP plays well as long as Canada is the OC because the scheme is just so bad.

Felt says: He's an example of a pretty straight forward TD that he missed to Pickens. There is also the easy TD he missed to DJ (although I believe we did go on to score on that drive).

Windy says: He's never going to complete all his passes.

There's a huge difference between expecting KP to be something more than the worst QB in the league by a wide margin at throwing balls from clean pockets to expecting him to complete every pass.

Windy...you are being blinded by your confirmation bias here. It's absolutely true that Canada is a bad OC. But it's also absolutely true that Kenny has really, really sucked at QB so far this season.

I never said he didn't. Kenny has been bad. If he had played as well as he did late last year we'd still be 1-1 with a blowout loss to the Niners.

We have zero chance to compete for a championship with this offensive coaching staff. Our ceiling is 9 wins. The Steelers have thrown away three straight seasons because they're a dumb, lazy offensive team.

This is a middling franchise living on past glory.

[Northern_Blitz]

I never said he didn't. Kenny has been bad. If he had played as well as he did late last year we'd still be 1-1 with a blowout loss to the Niners.

We have zero chance to compete for a championship with this offensive coaching staff. Our ceiling is 9 wins. The Steelers have thrown away three straight seasons because they're a dumb, lazy offensive team.

This is a middling franchise living on past glory.

I don't think we get blown out by the 9ers if we had an offense in that game when the game was close.

But not getting a 1st down in something like 25 minutes and having negative net yardage for almost a half means that you get blown out.

Even if the O doesn't score, but gets longer drives like KP did when he came in to relieve Mitch then we keep their O off the field and they score less.

Hopefully we get another shot at them this year, but I agree with you that there's essentially no chance of that happening.

[Steel Maniac]

We need to start looking at these assistant OC’s from these teams with great offenses.They can’t be any worse than the crap Canada has shown.

[Northern_Blitz]

Pickett has the worst TD% of any QB since he joined the NFL.

Good news: Raiders allow 84% completion rate to WRs. Still hoping that KP looking this horrible this season is a strength of schedule issue. But if he looks terrible Sunday night, I think we're in for a very long season.