If Canada gets fired ......

[Starlifter]

I know the steeler way is to not do anything rash, but we’re only 2 games in. The whole season is still in front of us. If this was week 9, different story. Make the change now and don’t waste the remaining 15 games. Also, I think his failure at OC will actually hurt KP’s development. The longer he’s around, the more work it will take to get Kenny fixed.

But I know they won’t make the change. Too bad.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Honestly, that's why you don't wait until the end of the season to fire Canada. Because then you'd have a whole additional season under a new OC next year where people are saying, "but he's learning a new system" before you decide on KP.

Plus, in taking 2 full seasons you've wasted the balance of Cam's career and you have a TJ that's on the wrong side of 30 before you've even decided that you need a new QB.

I understand why the team will stick with Canada. Canada knows the players. Play calling isn't the issue IMO. Execution is the main issue.

I don't understand the "waste players careers" at this point. Especially when players were paid handsomely for their contributions and if they missed games or not. Both apply to Heward and Watt.

Both are core players in which a team can build around. Organizations pay those types of players. It's not a "waste".

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Conclusion, If we are in this same situation at the bye week Canada is gone. They want to replace him with somebody they are already paying because they are cheap.

When they knew Fichtner was on the bubble, they went out before his final season and hired Canada. When Randy was let go, who got the gig? Canada.

This past offseason, with Canada on the bubble, they hired an offensive assistant.... I'm not saying that I *know* that's the plan, but....

[BURGH86STEEL]

I know the steeler way is to not do anything rash, but we’re only 2 games in. The whole season is still in front of us. If this was week 9, different story. Make the change now and don’t waste the remaining 15 games. Also, I think his failure at OC will actually hurt KP’s development. The longer he’s around, the more work it will take to get Kenny fixed.

But I know they won’t make the change. Too bad.

Too bad for who? Irrational Steelers fans?

[BURGH86STEEL]

When they knew Fichtner was on the bubble, they went out before his final season and hired Canada. When Randy was let go, who got the gig? Canada.

This past offseason, with Canada on the bubble, they hired an offensive assistant.... I'm not saying that I *know* that's the plan, but....

welcome to the NFL??????????? Damn.....................

[SteelerOfDeVille]

I understand why the team will stick with Canada. Canada knows the players. Play calling isn't the issue IMO. Execution is the main issue.

I don't understand the "waste players careers" at this point. Especially when players were paid handsomely for their contributions and if they missed games or not. Both apply to Heward and Watt.

Both are core players in which a team can build around. Organizations pay those types of players. It's not a "waste".

That's not what "waste" is referring to. I think you're missing the perspective.

It's from the perspective of: the team NAILED IT in the draft. This wasn't just a guy. Not even just a GOOD player. It's a special talent virtually single-handedly win games. He can do special things if you put him in the right environment. Imagine how he could impact playoff games if you just get him there.

Prime example: Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson both retired early because of a sense that they were on a team that wouldn't get them to the ultimate goal of a player. To them, it felt like a waste of time to keep trying on a team with no chance.

For a normal guy - let's say you had a degree from MIT and you were passionate in your field, had plans to innovate and had proven to be the best in your field. And they paid you as such.
But, the work environment had no computers, no technology, not even a calculator. You had to do all your work with pencil, paper and abacus.

That's a waste of talent. And being paid handsomely is not the problem. It's understanding the bigger impact this person *could* have given the right environment

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Too bad for who? Irrational Steelers fans?

Rational or irrational fans all want Canada gone

[steelerkeylargo]

I tend to think Glenn Thomas was brought in for this job. I know folks are leaning Sully, but I suspect if Thomas has any kind of work ethic that Tomlin notices, he's the choice.

Reading their bios, Sully seems to have more moves where the team wasn't successful as a whole and coaches were fired. I don't see as much of that with Thomas - more of his moves were steps up.

I read a quote where Brian Billick called Thomas one of the bright offensive minds in the game once upon a time.

I had forgotten all about Thomas. I don't think I've heard his name since he was hired. At this point anyone but Canada. I'm even down with bringing Ben in to call plays.

[BURGH86STEEL]

That's not what "waste" is referring to. I think you're missing the perspective.

It's from the perspective of: the team NAILED IT in the draft. This wasn't just a guy. Not even just a GOOD player. It's a special talent virtually single-handedly win games. He can do special things if you put him in the right environment. Imagine how he could impact playoff games if you just get him there.

Prime example: Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson both retired early because of a sense that they were on a team that wouldn't get them to the ultimate goal of a player. To them, it felt like a waste of time to keep trying on a team with no chance.

For a normal guy - let's say you had a degree from MIT and you were passionate in your field, had plans to innovate and had proven to be the best in your field. And they paid you as such.
But, the work environment had no computers, no technology, not even a calculator. You had to do all your work with pencil, paper and abacus.

That's a waste of talent. And being paid handsomely is not the problem. It's understanding the bigger impact this person *could* have given the right environment

No bro. Talents are not "wasted." In a perfect world all players would go to "perfect teams". All talented players would win championships. Luck? The bigger understanding is reality.

Sanders and Johnson are in the HOF. That's not talent wasted. It was a matter of timing for both players. Greatness is recognized.

I view waste talent as players that don't reach their full potential. Harris is on this path with is "spin move" approach. Harris is a grinder and run over defenders at the NFL level. He can't help a team win games with his approach at the NFL level. My "minor" scout opinion.

KP?

[Eich]

I had forgotten all about Thomas. I don't think I've heard his name since he was hired. At this point anyone but Canada. I'm even down with bringing Ben in to call plays.

I don't think that CALLING the plays is the real issue. It's the design of the plays. The creation of the playbook. That's the issue.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Rational or irrational fans all want Canada gone

Not true. If KP lived up to his end of the bargin. The organizations' opinion is the only opinion that matters. KP endorsed MC's return. KP has failed on his preseason execution promises.

Simply put, KP is failing coaches, players, and fans with is poor decision making and poor execution.

Bro, I've been around long enough to remember how fans hated and questioned every OC's decisions regardless of the QB that "LEAD" the team.

[Starlifter]

Too bad for who? Irrational Steelers fans?

Since our new franchise QB is ranked #32 in the league - I’d say it’s too bad for Kenny.

Oh, and fans who enjoy offenses that can score more than 20 points in this modern wide open era of the NFL where they constantly adjust the rules to increase scoring and protect QB’s so they can play till 45 years old. You know, those whacky irrational fans who think OC’s should have a 100 percenter for 3rd and 1 with the game on the line - as opposed to calling a gimmick and crossing your fingers…..

[Starlifter]

Oh, here’s the general manager of Buffalo. I’d say he is a bit more knowledgeable than the average fan….

https://www.audacy.com/937thefan/sports/pittsburgh-steelers/former-nfl-gm-says-canada-is-the-steelers-biggest-problem

Just a brutal takedown of Canada from an NFL executive and experienced GM. Tell him, HE’S wrong.

[steelerkeylargo]

I don't think that CALLING the plays is the real issue. It's the design of the plays. The creation of the playbook. That's the issue.

While I agree with you somewhat. Certainly, the playbook is not total trash. Canada has no idea how to play situational football and KP apparently still can't audible. Canada is running a 20-year-old college offense. Someone needs to be calling plays that will work against the defense that is being played against us.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Since our new franchise QB is ranked #32 in the league - I’d say it’s too bad for Kenny.

Oh, and fans who enjoy offenses that can score more than 20 points in this modern wide open era of the NFL where they constantly adjust the rules to increase scoring and protect QB’s so they can play till 45 years old. You know, those whacky irrational fans who think OC’s should have a 100 percenter for 3rd and 1 with the game on the line - as opposed to calling a gimmick and crossing your fingers…..

I never label KP as a "franchise" QB. I take the "wait and see" approach to NFL players.

KP was a QB that was drafted in the 1st round of the NFL draft. Did the presaons "hype train" fool you?

KP still has opportunities ahead of him. How well KP consistently executes an offense (regardless of OCs) will ultimately determine his future.