KP maybe not as bad as is thought?

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  • WindyCitySteel
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    • Nov 2011
    • 15035

    #31
    Originally posted by crushedspirit
    I'm not talking one play at all.

    Again,

    30-39-360-5-0 earns a 75.1 PFF pass rating
    15-27-168-1-0 earns a 90.9 PFF pass rating

    You just defending for the sake of it? That's indefensible.
    Have you read the play by play breakdowns by PFF for each performance? I'm defending their process, they don't just look at box scores and assign grades like fantasy points.

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    • WindyCitySteel
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      • Nov 2011
      • 15035

      #32
      Originally posted by NorthCoast
      By this logic was PFF also right when they ranked Josh Allen 32nd entering his sophomore season?
      Yes. Just because Allen became a star in his 3rd season (and his PFF grades reflected it, BTW) doesn't mean he was that same guy as a rookie.

      Are you guys just arguing to argue at this point? Allen was not good as a rookie.
      Last edited by WindyCitySteel; 06-06-2023, 09:36 PM.

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      • WindyCitySteel
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        • Nov 2011
        • 15035

        #33
        Originally posted by NorthCoast
        Another little fun fact based on their deep passer ratings; KP, Cousins, and Dalton were the only QBs in their top 10 that had a lower deep passer rating than their overall season passer rating.
        Passer rating is the worst stat around if it's only assigned to the QB. It should be called Passing Game Rating.

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        • crushedspirit
          Pro Bowler
          • Feb 2021
          • 2178

          #34
          Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
          Have you read the play by play breakdowns by PFF for each performance? I'm defending their process, they don't just look at box scores and assign grades like fantasy points.
          It's a subjective study conducted by an analyst they assign to grade the game with what their eyes tell them, yet many take it as an absolute fact.

          EPA is the best at explaining how a QB played in a given game because EPA demonstrates a contribution to winning a game better than any other stat. Couple that with CPOE and you now have the best measure of QB play.

          Do you really want to sit here and state the second QB in that example posted had a better game? It's totally and unequivocally indefensible.

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          • BURGH86STEEL
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            • May 2008
            • 6908

            #35
            Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
            Have you read the play by play breakdowns by PFF for each performance? I'm defending their process, they don't just look at box scores and assign grades like fantasy points.
            Why are these people not paid by pro organizations for their judgements, grades, ect, ect. ect?

            Maybe PFF paid someone like..................a Steelers hater to assign.............. who knows right? follow me?

            Why would you defend PFF focus over the Steelers consistently winning process? Go figure..

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            • NJ-STEELER
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              • May 2008
              • 12563

              #36
              Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
              Of course they can be defended, you're only focussed on outcomes, not process. Purdy threw a 5-yard pass behind Deebo vs. Seattle, Deebo made a nice snag, a 360, and ran 65 yards for a TD through traffic.

              Was that a great play by Purdy because his passer rating on it was great?

              I?d be very intrested to see what grade they have on the play where the ball hit DJ in the hands and wound up an int in that browns playoff game

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              • Joel Buchsbaum
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                • Jan 2021
                • 7371

                #37
                Originally posted by whisper
                Let me help you out here.



                Not sure I'd consider these brag worthy #s.

                - 21st in deep passing yards. Nothing that great.
                - 30th in passer rating. Really? That's something to brag about?
                No, but Pickens is deep that who makes some amazing catches. Without his individual play, our deep passing yards drops big time.
                Last edited by Joel Buchsbaum; 06-07-2023, 06:26 AM.
                Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                • Joel Buchsbaum
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                  • Jan 2021
                  • 7371

                  #38
                  29/32. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Lamar Jackson

                  29. LAMAR JACKSON, BALTIMORE RAVENS

                  53 dropbacks, 62.0
                  Deep Passing Yards: 407 (26th)
                  Deep Passing TDs: 5 (T-14th)
                  Passer Rating: 72.0 (28th)
                  Deep Comp%: 29.8% (31st)
                  Jackson struggled to find anything downfield, ranking near the bottom in completion percentage while averaging 3.83 seconds to throw (second). Devin Duvernay (86.5) was Baltimore’s top deep threat (141 yards) in 2022, and Mark Andrews has a career 92.8 receiving grade from deep. Baltimore also added other potential deep threats in Odell Beckham Jr. (93.9 career deep receiving grade) and rookie Zay Flowers. If Andrews and Beckham Jr. can return to form, Baltimore’s deep attack should be much improved in 202
                  Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                  Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                  *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                  • feltdizz
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                    • May 2008
                    • 26990

                    #39
                    Originally posted by NorthCoast
                    By this logic was PFF also right when they ranked Josh Allen 32nd entering his sophomore season?
                    Was Josh Allen good his rookie year?
                    Steelers 27
                    Rats 16

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                    • feltdizz
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                      • May 2008
                      • 26990

                      #40
                      Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                      Mitch was a six year vet who got all the first team reps in the offseason.
                      its like some folks don?t want to accept how this works. A vet QB who isn?t great is just keeping the seat warm for a rookie first rounder.

                      The moment we dratted Kenny things were ?unfair? for Mitch.
                      Steelers 27
                      Rats 16

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                      • Oviedo
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                        • May 2008
                        • 23702

                        #41
                        Originally posted by feltdizz
                        its like some folks don?t want to accept how this works. A vet QB who isn?t great is just keeping the seat warm for a rookie first rounder.

                        The moment we dratted Kenny things were ?unfair? for Mitch.

                        Fortunately, Mitch has come to see a realistic view of his career arc and decided to stay with us at a reduced salary. We will be better for that
                        "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                        • feltdizz
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                          • May 2008
                          • 26990

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Oviedo
                          Fortunately, Mitch has come to see a realistic view of his career arc and decided to stay with us at a reduced salary. We will be better for that
                          Yes, I wasn’t big on him starting for obvious reasons but I think he is a great addition to the QB room and he’s been a professional the whole time given the way things played out.
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                          • Northern_Blitz
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                            • Dec 2008
                            • 23529

                            #43
                            Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                            The key word above is "results". Kenny isn't 100% responsible for the results of a play, play-caller and OL and receiver also play a part.

                            There's a reason the Raiders didn't add the sea of hands or holy roller plays to their playbooks, or the Steelers and the Immaculate Reception, and use them every game, even though the "results" of those plays were successful.
                            Yep.

                            We'll see better over a larger sample size when the results caused by good / bad luck probably end up cancelling out.

                            I doubt many will think of KP as knocking on the door of being an elite deep ball passer. But it would be great if he was.

                            I'm happy to have my mind changed by what we see on the field. I don't mind admitting to being wrong if it turns out that way.
                            Last edited by Northern_Blitz; 06-07-2023, 11:48 AM.

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                            • Northern_Blitz
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                              • Dec 2008
                              • 23529

                              #44
                              Originally posted by BURGH86STEEL
                              It takes time to reach a definitive conclusion about rookies.

                              I don't expect KP to reach his potential in his 2nd season. The Steelers should be good enough as a team to compete for the division title in KPs 2nd season (baring key/multiple injuries).
                              I think we'll be able to compete for a playoff spot.

                              I think we're a long shot for the division.

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                              • SteelerOfDeVille
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                                • May 2008
                                • 8845

                                #45
                                Originally posted by feltdizz
                                Yes, I wasn’t big on him starting for obvious reasons but I think he is a great addition to the QB room and he’s been a professional the whole time given the way things played out.
                                Is it just me or does MT feel like one of those guys who will Tommy Maddox ya? Like 10 years in, he'll get another chance somewhere and look like a pro bowler.
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