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  • NorthCoast
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    • Sep 2008
    • 24544

    KP: Bad News/Good News

    Ranked below (28th) the rookie QBs drafted this year, that's bad news. If it turns out to be true, the Steelers will be picking in the top 5 in next year's draft, that's good news:

  • feltdizz
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    • May 2008
    • 26156

    #2
    well if Cody said it then it must be true.
    Giants 10
    Steelers 31

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    • NorthCoast
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      • Sep 2008
      • 24544

      #3
      Originally posted by feltdizz
      well if Cody said it then it must be true.
      Apparently the one year of experience for KP didn't buy him any higher ranking over the rookies. Wasn't there a thread about KP being ranking 4 or 5th if he came out this year instead of last?

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      • Joel Buchsbaum
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        • Jan 2021
        • 6950

        #4
        Well to rate Young and Stroud two rookie yet to play is bunk. You could argue that Howell is better than Pickett, though the sample size is very small.

        I generally agree with players related form #1-#12, though not necessarily the order of them. I agree with Pickett's placement and if he does not show big time improvement we need to either develop our #3 QB or draft one with our first and second round pick in 2024. For now Pickett is a low end starter who is a " game manger " that does not pass for many yards and benefited from us leaded the NFL in interceptions.
        Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

        Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

        *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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        • flippy
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          • Dec 2008
          • 17088

          #5
          This is kinda how I thought about KP after his first season at Pitt. Heck even a couple years in I wasn?t sure.

          But we?ve all seen his trajectory, his accuracy, his work ethic, his demeanor.

          Rank him 32.

          Kenny MF Pickett will be holding the Lombardi at the end of this season.
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          • Steel Maniac
            Banned
            • Apr 2017
            • 19472

            #6
            Originally posted by NorthCoast
            Apparently the one year of experience for KP didn't buy him any higher ranking over the rookies. Wasn't there a thread about KP being ranking 4 or 5th if he came out this year instead of last?
            yes..you are correct.

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            • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
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              • May 2008
              • 9547

              #7
              Originally posted by NorthCoast
              Apparently the one year of experience for KP didn't buy him any higher ranking over the rookies. Wasn't there a thread about KP being ranking 4 or 5th if he came out this year instead of last?
              I think that in that thread the thinking was:

              Young and Stroud would be a clear 1 & 2.
              Richardson and Levis were below with lots of question marks. Pickett would have fallen in line with them.
              Based on how the draft played out, it makes sense that Pickett would have been somewhere between Richardson and Levis (who obviously fell out of favor), which would place him somewhere around where he was drafted the year before.
              http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...to_Mike/to.jpg

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              • Northern_Blitz
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                • Dec 2008
                • 22325

                #8
                I think it makes sense to rank him low based on the fact that he doesn't have much data.

                But he has the potential to rise a lot (these rankings are only about perception).

                I think the tough part in our situation is that he's probably the 4th best QB in the division (maybe the 3rd) and that the AFC has almost all of the good QBs in the league. Seems like that has the potential to pull our record down a bit.

                We'll see when the play the games.

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                • Northern_Blitz
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                  • Dec 2008
                  • 22325

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                  Well to rate Young and Stroud two rookie yet to play is bunk. You could argue that Howell is better than Pickett, though the sample size is very small.

                  I generally agree with players related form #1-#12, though not necessarily the order of them. I agree with Pickett's placement and if he does not show big time improvement we need to either develop our #3 QB or draft one with our first and second round pick in 2024. For now Pickett is a low end starter who is a " game manger " that does not pass for many yards and benefited from us leaded the NFL in interceptions.
                  This.

                  I think tiers are a much better way to do these things than rankings.

                  And KP is in the "too early to tell" tier. I'd put him at the upper end of that tier over all the rookies and guys that were drafted last year (although Purdy had more team success). But it's too soon to tell for any of them.

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                  • feltdizz
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                    • May 2008
                    • 26156

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                    Well to rate Young and Stroud two rookie yet to play is bunk. You could argue that Howell is better than Pickett, though the sample size is very small.

                    I generally agree with players related form #1-#12, though not necessarily the order of them. I agree with Pickett's placement and if he does not show big time improvement we need to either develop our #3 QB or draft one with our first and second round pick in 2024. For now Pickett is a low end starter who is a " game manger " that does not pass for many yards and benefited from us leaded the NFL in interceptions.
                    How do you argue Howell is better than Pickett?

                    I mean, you can argue ANYTHING but with Howell only playing one game played the last week of the season its not really going to move the needle
                    Giants 10
                    Steelers 31

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                    • BURGH86STEEL
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                      • May 2008
                      • 6896

                      #11
                      Anyone want to bet $100 that the Steelers won't be picking top 5 next year regardless of what happens with KP?

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                      • "BuzzNuter"
                        Pro Bowler
                        • Mar 2019
                        • 1447

                        #12
                        KP finished 7-2, that's what counts the most. Wins and losses is what I measure a QB on. How many SBs does a QB have. That's the ultimate ranking. This fantasy football sh*t has made everybody judge talent by statistics.

                        Give KP more time. If I recollect correctly the only other rookie QB that played close to as many games was Purdy from SF. He did pretty well for a rookie I thought.
                        I would take KP over Love or the QB above Purdy at SF. Kenny was available and he improved. I have confidence in Him that he wi'll continue to do so.

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                        • NorthCoast
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                          • Sep 2008
                          • 24544

                          #13
                          Originally posted by BURGH86STEEL
                          Anyone want to bet $100 that the Steelers won't be picking top 5 next year regardless of what happens with KP?
                          Tankathon currently has them picking at #15. So, progress (I guess that is where a team falls with 9.5 wins )

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                          • Northern_Blitz
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                            • Dec 2008
                            • 22325

                            #14
                            Originally posted by feltdizz
                            How do you argue Howell is better than Pickett?

                            I mean, you can argue ANYTHING but with Howell only playing one game played the last week of the season its not really going to move the needle
                            I think he said that re: "though the sample size is very small"

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                            • NorthCoast
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                              • Sep 2008
                              • 24544

                              #15
                              Originally posted by "BuzzNuter"
                              KP finished 7-2, that's what counts the most. Wins and losses is what I measure a QB on. How many SBs does a QB have. That's the ultimate ranking. This fantasy football sh*t has made everybody judge talent by statistics.

                              Give KP more time. If I recollect correctly the only other rookie QB that played close to as many games was Purdy from SF. He did pretty well for a rookie I thought.
                              I would take KP over Love or the QB above Purdy at SF. Kenny was available and he improved. I have confidence in Him that he wi'll continue to do so.
                              Wait til AI kicks in high gear. You're gonna need to run for cover...

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