KP: Bad News/Good News

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  • feltdizz
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    • May 2008
    • 26961

    #31
    Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
    Talking about Troy (or Josh Allen) like this is survivorship bias. Most guys who have bad first seasons have bad careers (Note: I do not think KP had a bad season...he had a mixed season. Played well in high pressure situations. But is also close to last in some important situations too. But I think glimpses of great plays is a reasonable expectation of a rookie and KP had that IMO).

    And part of the thing with Troy was that he didn't start games in year 1. Which was much more common in 2003 than it is now IMO.

    I think the best counter argument here is that Troy didn't get LeBeau until year 2. Which is part of the reason many of us wanted a new OC that was specifically chosen to create an offense around Kenny.
    correct.. neither had a bad first year
    but there was obvious room for improvement.

    While you want a new OC I just want a full camp as the starter in this system to see if there is growth and a better grasp
    of concepts.

    We all know Canada isn’t Lebeau but I think it would be a disservice to start all over with a new OC this year with a young offense.

    That would easily lead to an excuse of “the young offense needs time to learn the new playbook”

    Nope.. no excuses. Let’s see how Kenny does this year, I expect a nice jump year 2.
    Steelers 27
    Rats 16

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    • feltdizz
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 26961

      #32
      Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
      I don't recall Troy having a *bad* first season.
      I recall a coach who didn't play many rookies on his defense because they had a tendency to make more mistakes.

      *carry on*
      I think the point is most rookies make mistakes year 1 regardless if they start or not. Which is why we tried to wait with our last 2 first round picks at QB.
      Steelers 27
      Rats 16

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      • NorthCoast
        Legend
        • Sep 2008
        • 25568

        #33
        Originally posted by NorthCoast
        Looking at some stats from last season it's clear where KP needs big improvement. Here's his completion % against defenses:

        Defense Comp% League_Leader*
        Zone 68% G. Smith - 73%
        Man-Cover 1 57% Garoppolo - 69%
        Man-Cover 2 42% Mahomes - 71%
        *min. 10 games started

        Yes, when in man coverage some of that falls on the receiver to catch in traffic or get separation. I especially point out Pickens. Great for highlight films but dude needs to improve his route running.
        Perhaps one source of KP's struggles against man;

        Mina Kimes
        @minakimes
        Last year, when the Browns defense played zone they ranked 24th in EPA/play. In man coverage, they ranked 2nd and allowed the lowest QBR in football.

        Expect new DC Jim Schwartz to call a more aggressive defense.

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        • NorthCoast
          Legend
          • Sep 2008
          • 25568

          #34
          Originally posted by NorthCoast
          Looking at some stats from last season it's clear where KP needs big improvement. Here's his completion % against defenses:

          Defense Comp% League_Leader*
          Zone 68% G. Smith - 73%
          Man-Cover 1 57% Garoppolo - 69%
          Man-Cover 2 42% Mahomes - 71%
          *min. 10 games started

          Yes, when in man coverage some of that falls on the receiver to catch in traffic or get separation. I especially point out Pickens. Great for highlight films but dude needs to improve his route running.
          Right on cue

          Throughout the 2022 season, then-rookie wide receiver George Pickens was a walking, talking highlight reel for the Pittsburgh Steelers in an offense that really struggled to generate much explosion or highlights overall. Pickens, a second-round pick at No. 52 overall, burst onto the scene, putting together a remarkable training camp and preseason, leading to a […]

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          • WindyCitySteel
            Legend
            • Nov 2011
            • 14989

            #35
            Tough to play vs. man coverage when the D knows every play and every route. That means almost every catch is a combat catch.

            We need serious play designs, not high school "beat your man" nonsense.

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            • NorthCoast
              Legend
              • Sep 2008
              • 25568

              #36
              Good news, KP might have a backup career if it doesn't work out at QB.

              Don't know Morgan Wallen but damn if he aint' KP's doppelganger:

              [url=https://flic.kr/p/2oBD5P5][/url][url=https://flic.kr/p/2oBD5P5]capture[/url] by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/191750946@N04/]R W[/url], on Flickr

              You may have noticed that Kenny Pickett looks like Morgan Wallen, and he says he gets that a lot out in the world.

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