OT: The real Lamar Jackson has requested a trade

[Northern_Blitz]

He turned down 200 million guaranteed, that's the starting point for negotiations evidently, that's a steep price tag.

Pappy

I don't disagree with you.

I think teams don't want to continue the president of guaranteed contracts without a change to the CBA that makes cap concessions if a guy with a guarantee gets cut (although even then they'd be out $$$, which is a big deal).

Seems to me like Lamar has mostly decided that he wants to get to UFA. And I don't think that's an unreasonable thing to do. He's already earned generational wealth. At that point, it's not unreasonable to ask "why not swing for the fences?" IMO.

[Northern_Blitz]

This feels like Lev Bell all over…sorta.

Will be interesting if he actually sits out. And if he does, whether he comes back to get the accrued season.

[Northern_Blitz]

Kaepernick made a SB and was a play away from beating the Ravens.

Jalen Hurts was just in a SB.

You continue to make no sense on this topic of QB’s you have supposedly seen who “won nothing”

But if they won, they wouldn't be "run first QBs" because "run first QBs" don't win.

QED.

[Northern_Blitz]

You can sell your house without a real estate agent but people still use 'em. Most people are lazy or don't want to deal with the details.

I would imagine that not having an agent would make more sense for rookie deals (which are slotted with little negotiation) and for low end guys (who are probably mostly getting the minimum with little negotiation).

But I'd imagine that a contract like whatever Lamar would get will be pretty complex. And having someone who's job it is to review contracts would be pretty beneficial.

But, his contract will be enormous. So the payment to the agent will also be huge. Just found that NFL agent commissions are capped at 3%. I thought it was 10%. I wouldn't be surprised if an agent can deliver a couple of percent value on a complicated contract like this. Although, I'm also sure that the agent would be pushing Lamar to yield on the guaranteed contract and go for (1) higher pay and (2) higher payments earlier. Maybe he talked to a bunch of agents and didn't like their strategies?

[feltdizz]

I would imagine that not having an agent would make more sense for rookie deals (which are slotted with little negotiation) and for low end guys (who are probably mostly getting the minimum with little negotiation).

But I'd imagine that a contract like whatever Lamar would get will be pretty complex. And having someone who's job it is to review contracts would be pretty beneficial.

But, his contract will be enormous. So the payment to the agent will also be huge. Just found that NFL agent commissions are capped at 3%. I thought it was 10%. I wouldn't be surprised if an agent can deliver a couple of percent value on a complicated contract like this. Although, I'm also sure that the agent would be pushing Lamar to yield on the guaranteed contract and go for (1) higher pay and (2) higher payments earlier. Maybe he talked to a bunch of agents and didn't like their strategies?

any contract over 200 mill is 6 mill for the agent.

While its not a lot but n the grand scheme of things its 6 mill for his mom and/or his people.

I think its simply bucking the system even though others have done it.. just not for numbers this high.

I think part of this is teams don’t want players to know how the sausage is made.

Sean Gilbert lives in Charlotte and repped his nephew Revis and a friend of mine who played with Gilbert and Ty Law in HS said the most empowering thing he ever heard was Sean Gilbert telling the franchise to send his 3% commission for X amount of dollars to his account.

[BURGH86STEEL]

I would imagine that not having an agent would make more sense for rookie deals (which are slotted with little negotiation) and for low end guys (who are probably mostly getting the minimum with little negotiation).

But I'd imagine that a contract like whatever Lamar would get will be pretty complex. And having someone who's job it is to review contracts would be pretty beneficial.

But, his contract will be enormous. So the payment to the agent will also be huge. Just found that NFL agent commissions are capped at 3%. I thought it was 10%. I wouldn't be surprised if an agent can deliver a couple of percent value on a complicated contract like this. Although, I'm also sure that the agent would be pushing Lamar to yield on the guaranteed contract and go for (1) higher pay and (2) higher payments earlier. Maybe he talked to a bunch of agents and didn't like their strategies?

I would think that he could hire a lawyer to review the details of his contract for a lot less than 3% of the total value of his contract.

Agents are good for other things out side of negotiating contracts: like fronting money, connections with teams, life advice, ect.

[whisper]

I don't disagree with you.

I think teams don't want to continue the president of guaranteed contracts without a change to the CBA that makes cap concessions if a guy with a guarantee gets cut (although even then they'd be out $$$, which is a big deal).

Seems to me like Lamar has mostly decided that he wants to get to UFA. And I don't think that's an unreasonable thing to do. He's already earned generational wealth. At that point, it's not unreasonable to ask "why not swing for the fences?" IMO.

I can see it from his perspective (although I don't necessarily agree with it). Former league MVP, a high winning % (especially compared to the team playing without him). He's looking at the Watson deal and saying "why can't mine be bigger, more guaranteed $?" But I called it many months ago: Stephen Bisciotti was not going to agree to making the deal 100% guaranteed, he had a problem with the Watson deal from the get go.

So, it turns out that was the deal breaker: no $260 million guaranteed, period. But,due to him having no agent and a few other factors, Lamar is not finding it so easy to navigate these waters.

[NJ-STEELER]

I would think that he could hire a lawyer to review the details of his contract for a lot less than 3% of the total value of his contract.

Agents are good for other things out side of negotiating contracts: like fronting money, connections with teams, life advice, ect.

per nflpa it’s 1% to 3%. And according to pat Kirwin.
he can actually go and shop for an agent and say.
Im looking for a 1 % agent and see who bites.

Penny wise
dollar stupid cause of the money he’s missing out on.

andcyou are correct. He is paying people on the legal issues of the contract. So how much is he actually saving?
he really is a dumbass not thinking this through.
it’s costing him a lot more then even the max 3% would

[Eich]

I think part of this is teams don’t want players to know how the sausage is made.

It's more than that. Teams don't want to have to be a-holes to the players that have to then go out and play for them. When you're negotiating with an agent, you can counter their points aggressively. You can point out a player's deficiencies. You can be an a-hole. When you're negotiating with the player directly, you have to be a lot more careful with how you make your points.

It's the same reason that I typically don't hire friends to do work. I want to be able to be the a-hole if I'm not happy with the work. I want to be able to tell a contractor, "this is crap work and you have to fix it right". I don't want to have that conversation with a friend in the chance that their work didn't meet my expectations.

[Northern_Blitz]

I would think that he could hire a lawyer to review the details of his contract for a lot less than 3% of the total value of his contract.

Agents are good for other things out side of negotiating contracts: like fronting money, connections with teams, life advice, ect.

Thanks Burghsteel.

I think these are both good points.

[Steel Maniac]

It's more than that. Teams don't want to have to be a-holes to the players that have to then go out and play for them. When you're negotiating with an agent, you can counter their points aggressively. You can point out a player's deficiencies. You can be an a-hole. When you're negotiating with the player directly, you have to be a lot more careful with how you make your points.

It's the same reason that I typically don't hire friends to do work. I want to be able to be the a-hole if I'm not happy with the work. I want to be able to tell a contractor, "this is crap work and you have to fix it right". I don't want to have that conversation with a friend in the chance that their work didn't meet my expectations.

solid take.

[feltdizz]

It's more than that. Teams don't want to have to be a-holes to the players that have to then go out and play for them. When you're negotiating with an agent, you can counter their points aggressively. You can point out a player's deficiencies. You can be an a-hole. When you're negotiating with the player directly, you have to be a lot more careful with how you make your points.

It's the same reason that I typically don't hire friends to do work. I want to be able to be the a-hole if I'm not happy with the work. I want to be able to tell a contractor, "this is crap work and you have to fix it right". I don't want to have that conversation with a friend in the chance that their work didn't meet my expectations.

That’s the sausage Eich.. lol. I agree 100% and said similar earlier in this thread or in another one.

You cant dog at the player and talk about all his warts as the reason he doesn’t deserve X amount and then say “but we really want you” and expect them to be mature about it.

and yes, telling a friend their work sucks and then expecting them to grab a beer after work is weird.

[BURGH86STEEL]

per nflpa itÂ’s 1% to 3%. And according to pat Kirwin.
he can actually go and shop for an agent and say.
Im looking for a 1 % agent and see who bites.

Penny wise
dollar stupid cause of the money heÂ’s missing out on.

andcyou are correct. He is paying people on the legal issues of the contract. So how much is he actually saving?
he really is a dumbass not thinking this through.
itÂ’s costing him a lot more then even the max 3% would

He would probably save a lot more for a lawyer to review the contract than to pay an agent.

What is more financially sound? Pay a lawyer (hypothetical) 50 grand (probably doesn't cost that much) or an agent hundreds thousands to millions based on the overall value of the contract?

Agents offer convenience for players and teams. I understand why some players negotiate their own contracts.

Jackson is probably being unreasonable with his contract demands. That's where he is probably making the biggest mistake.

[NJ-STEELER]

He would probably save a lot more for a lawyer to review the contract than to pay an agent.

What is more financially sound? Pay a lawyer (hypothetical) 50 grand (probably doesn't cost that much) or an agent hundreds thousands to millions based on the overall value of the contract?

Agents offer convenience for players and teams. I understand why some players negotiate their own contracts.

Jackson is probably being unreasonable with his contract demands. That's where he is probably making the biggest mistake.

Personally I have no idea how much he would pay a legal team but have heard from the nfl radio guys that it’s in the hundreds of thousands.

but it’s not the money he’s saving from that. It’s the money he’s losing by not having a personal negotiator.

I guess he could still sign and not lose a great deal but the clock is ticking

[BURGH86STEEL]

It's more than that. Teams don't want to have to be a-holes to the players that have to then go out and play for them. When you're negotiating with an agent, you can counter their points aggressively. You can point out a player's deficiencies. You can be an a-hole. When you're negotiating with the player directly, you have to be a lot more careful with how you make your points.

It's the same reason that I typically don't hire friends to do work. I want to be able to be the a-hole if I'm not happy with the work. I want to be able to tell a contractor, "this is crap work and you have to fix it right". I don't want to have that conversation with a friend in the chance that their work didn't meet my expectations.

This is why head coaches probably shouldn't have HC/GMs roles.

Although it is probably more the role of a HC to be the a-hole and point out player mistakes more than it is the scope of the GMs role. It can certainly get convoluted with so much money, business, and eventually if emotions get involved.