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  • feltdizz
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    • May 2008
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    #31
    Marvin Harrison Jr.

    10 catches, 185 yards. Every catch was for a first down. No TD’s but a bunch of times Porter Jr was 8 or 9 yards off the ball giving up easy pitch and catch slants. Probably because they were in 0 coverage all game but nah, no thanks.
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    • hawaiiansteel
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      • May 2008
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      #32
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      • Captain Lemming
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        • Jun 2008
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        #33
        Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
        I think he is the guy who looks best on paper. I will be interested in the quickness and agility numbers for these long corners.
        Last edited by Captain Lemming; 01-26-2023, 12:45 AM.
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        • Captain Lemming
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          • Jun 2008
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          #34
          Originally posted by feltdizz
          Marvin Harrison Jr.

          10 catches, 185 yards. Every catch was for a first down. No TD’s but a bunch of times Porter Jr was 8 or 9 yards off the ball giving up easy pitch and catch slants. Probably because they were in 0 coverage all game but nah, no thanks.
          Here is a breakdown of that battle.

          Sometime when we watch live we see how a receiver dominates but are not looking specifically at who was covering him and assume the big name corner was terrible.

          Looks to me like Marvin Harrison JR cooked EVERYBODY BUT Joey Porter Jr. Looks like they kinda mostly avoided him. Considering how dominant MHJR is, I'd suggest this game is not bad at all.

          I think the QB was scared of him and often didn't even look his direction. If this is typical QB play, I'd suggest this might explain his modest stats.

          Very physical, LITERALLY kept MHJR from getting into a route at all on one play locking him up at the line.

          Dude is PLENTY HANDSY though which would be a problem in the league. Also did not look "twitchy".

          But if you graded that game, receivers he covered were pretty much rendered non-factors in a high scoring game where they were dominating when others covered them.

          Last edited by Captain Lemming; 01-26-2023, 01:48 AM.
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          • flippy
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            • Dec 2008
            • 17088

            #35
            If we do go with Lil Peezy, we know him better than anyone else would and I’d trust it was a good pick.

            If we add a DB, I like Brian Branch. He’s been the playmaker in the secondary for Alabama for a couple years.

            He could man the SS spot, but could also be the nickle corner, or he can play in the box and reduce the need for a coverage ILB if we go with 3 Ss.

            He’s a smart and versatile player kinda like Minkah.
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            • Captain Lemming
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              • Jun 2008
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              #36
              Originally posted by whisper
              And, then, of course, he has like virtually no int., which is also fine with you; using a 1st round pick on a CB who can't get turnovers. Sweet.
              Dig deeper pal. I just did. It is pretty mind blowing.

              Zero picks?
              You know what he also did not have?

              A single touchdown allowed.

              Do you know what he DID allow?
              15 catches for 143 yards IN 10 GAMES.

              I am no math wiz but "10" makes it easy.
              That is 1.5 catches for 14.3 yards PER GAME.

              Do you know how OBSCENE that is?

              Not only did he not give up a touchdown, it is statistically highly unlikely he gave up a single big play. ON THE SEASON.

              THAT IS WHY I don't look at one stat and jump to RIDICULOUS conclusions that are at odds with people who watch HOURS of TAPE of a player.
              Last edited by Captain Lemming; 01-26-2023, 10:34 AM.
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              • Captain Lemming
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                • Jun 2008
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                #37
                Another fun fact. He has Zero picks true.
                You know how many passes thrown to his man?

                30.... yes THIRTY.

                Zero picks not so shocking when QBs avoid him.
                You know what he DOES have?

                ELEVEN passes defensed.
                That is 11 passes defended of 30... ONE IN THREE passes thrown his way are batted away.

                Again targeted 30 times, 15 catches allowed, 11 defensed.
                He had near the same odds of getting a hand on the ball as the receiver.

                If we draft him it AINT just because of who's kid he is.
                Last edited by Captain Lemming; 01-26-2023, 10:31 AM.
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                • feltdizz
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                  • May 2008
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                  Dig deeper pal. I just did. It is pretty mind blowing.

                  Zero picks?
                  You know what he also did not have?

                  A single touchdown allowed.

                  Do you know what he DID allow?
                  15 catches for 143 yards IN 10 GAMES.

                  I am no math wiz but "10" makes it easy.
                  That is 1.5 catches for 14.3 yards PER GAME.

                  Do you know how OBSCENE that is?

                  THAT IS WHY I don't look at one stat and jump to RIDICULOUS conclusions that are at odds with people who watch HOURS of TAPE of a player.
                  I still wouldn’t do it. Sorry.. I don’t trust Big 10 stats. If you watch Big 10 football the QB play in that conference is criminal outside of Michigan and Ohio State.

                  Quarterback is the most position in sports — except, apparently, in the Big Ten, where some of the best teams seem to win in spite of their QBs.
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                  • Northern_Blitz
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                    • Dec 2008
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                    Another fun fact. He has Zero picks true.
                    You know how many passes thrown to his man?

                    30.... yes THIRTY.

                    Zero picks not so shocking when QBs avoid him.
                    You know what he DOES have?

                    ELEVEN passes defensed.
                    That is 11 passes defended of 30... ONE IN THREE passes thrown his way are batted away.

                    Again targeted 30 times, 15 catches allowed, 11 defensed.
                    He had near the same odds of getting a hand on the ball as the receiver.

                    If we draft him it AINT just because of who's kid he is.
                    This is the thing about great CBs (and he seems like he was one at college anyway).

                    They don't get a lot of counting stats because teams just don't throw their way.

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                    • Captain Lemming
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                      • Jun 2008
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by feltdizz
                      I still wouldn’t do it. Sorry.. I don’t trust Big 10 stats. If you watch Big 10 football the QB play in that conference is criminal outside of Michigan and Ohio State.

                      https://saturdaytradition.com/big-te...ar-of-qbs/amp/
                      OK, I get you.
                      But I just showed you the break down of the game you saw of Ohio State and Stroud showed his exceptional play... against EVERYONE ELSE BUT Porter.

                      Your initial impression is based on misrecalling that game when you (as any of us might) were not focused on the play of one cornerback.

                      The reality of that one game against the best QB receiver duo in college was the opposite of your recall as far as Porters play. Considering THAT competition, his play was impressive.

                      My point is not that I KNOW he will be great. Any flawless corner prospect would not reach us.
                      I just think there is WAY too much below the obvious (picks) to be so dismissive of him.
                      Last edited by Captain Lemming; 01-26-2023, 11:05 AM.
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                      • Captain Lemming
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                        • Jun 2008
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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                        This is the thing about great CBs (and he seems like he was one at college anyway).

                        They don't get a lot of counting stats because teams just don't throw their way.
                        Patrick Surtain is a physical clone of this guy had 1 pick last year of college and was picked 9th.
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                        • feltdizz
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                          • May 2008
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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                          OK, I get you.
                          But I just showed you the break down of the game you saw of Ohio State and Stroud showed his exceptional play... against EVERYONE ELSE BUT Porter.

                          Your initial impression is based on misrecalling that game when you (as any of us might) were not focused on the play of one cornerback.

                          The reality of that one game against the best QB receiver duo in college was the opposite of your recall as far as Porters play. Considering THAT competition, his play was impressive.

                          My point is not that I KNOW he will be great. Any flawless corner prospect would not reach us.
                          I just think there is WAY too much below the obvious (picks) to be so dismissive of him.
                          thanks.. and this is 100% correct. I watched the first half but I wasn’t scouting one player. Once the second half started and the Buckeyes pulled away I gave up on the game.

                          I still don’t want him.. lol.
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                          • whisper
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                            • Mar 2020
                            • 9423

                            #43


                            This article calls the pick "All in the family." Great, more nepotism in Pgh, a concept that was supposed to be outdated decades ago, but lives on in Pgh for some reason. And this just in: Joey Porter was overrated in Pgh, it's why they dumped him when they did.

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                            • SteelerOfDeVille
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                              • May 2008
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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                              I think he is the guy who looks best on paper. I will be interested in the quickness and agility numbers for these long corners.
                              he's my pick as well.... but, doubt he's there...
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                              1.20 - Tailiese Fuaga, OT, Oregon St
                              2.51 - Zach Frazier, C, WVU
                              3.84 - Luke Mccaffery, WR, Rice
                              3.98 - Andru Phillips, CB, Kentucky
                              4.117 - Maason Smith, DT, LSU
                              6.178 - Travis Glover, OT, Ga State
                              6.195 - Dillon Johnson, RB, Washington

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                              • Steel Maniac
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                                #45
                                Originally posted by whisper
                                https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...-jr-penn-state

                                This article calls the pick "All in the family." Great, more nepotism in Pgh, a concept that was supposed to be outdated decades ago, but lives on in Pgh for some reason. And this just in: Joey Porter was overrated in Pgh, it's why they dumped him when they did.
                                Nepotism is the way of the world; Look at Hollywood....a lot of these stars now are the kids of stars/directors from a previous hollywood era.

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