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  • Steel Maniac
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    • Apr 2017
    • 19472

    #46
    Originally posted by Monalo
    I’d be ok with Addison in the 1st or best OL, DL, CB, ILB available depending how the draft falls.

    Excellent routes, speed in and out of breaks and finding holes in zone is what causes separation from defenders.
    This is exactly what the Steelers need. JA has these traits, along with good hands, RAC and the speed to take the top off a defense.

    I really like Pickens. He’s great at contested and acrobatic catches, but rarely gets separation. Still needs work.

    Some here think scheme is what gets WRs open, but there’s a whole lot more to it than that.
    Njigba is a stud. After Shawn brought him up last year, I watched him exclusively this year and he does have all the tools. He could be the best WR to come out of Ohio St. He's that talented.

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    • Monalo
      Backup
      • Sep 2021
      • 293

      #47
      Originally posted by Steel Maniac
      I see what your saying. And your exactly right that it's more than schemes that get WR's open.

      Question..

      How is the overall draft class of WR's this coming draft? I've not heard anyone talk about the overall value of the class so far. Is it deep? Thin?
      From what I’ve seen and read this WR class is pretty deep. IMO the top WRs are:
      1. Quentin Johnston – TCU
      2. Addison
      3. Njigba - Ohio State
      4. Jalin Hyatt – Tenn.

      There are other highly rated WRs, of course it’s a matter of opinion.

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      • Monalo
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        • Sep 2021
        • 293

        #48
        Originally posted by Steel Maniac
        Njigba is a stud. After Shawn brought him up last year, I watched him exclusively this year and he does have all the tools. He could be the best WR to come out of Ohio St. He's that talented.
        I agree, Njigba is VERY good.

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        • TheRealTazz864
          Pro Bowler
          • Jun 2022
          • 2163

          #49
          Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
          We need to select WR in round one? Um, no. This is getting ridiculous. Quote me correctly btw, I do so for you.
          Still no "we..." The sum of good receivers is often greater than the two individuals... Example: AB... good receiver on the Bucs... JuJu... good receiver on the Chefs (Chiefs)...
          AB + JuJu on the Steelers?? PHENOMENAL receiving duo... JuJu was less effective after AB left... Neither were as effective once they went to other franchises...

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          • NorthCoast
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            • Sep 2008
            • 25357

            #50
            Answer: No.

            But we do need to pick one of these early in the draft. I'd take any of these in a heartbeat.
            https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...rades-or-draft

            Biggest Missing Piece of NFL's Fringe Contenders in 2023 Free Agency, Trades or Draft

            GARY DAVENPORT
            JANUARY 19, 2023


            Pittsburgh Steelers: Offensive Tackle
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            Peter Skoronski
            Peter SkoronskiRandy Litzinger/Icon Sportswire via Getty Images

            The Pittsburgh Steelers finished the 2022 season on a high note, winning six of seven to keep Mike Tomlin's streak of non-losing seasons intact. But while that hot finish offers Pittsburgh some reason for optimism heading into the offseason, the Steelers remain a team with flaws.

            And the biggest of those flaws isn't new.

            The offensive line has long been an issue in the Steel City, and while that unit was better in 2022 than the year before, starting tackles Dan Moore Jr. and Chukwuma Okorafor are average players on a good day and liabilities on a bad one.

            Unfortunately, if the Steelers are going to make improvements along the offensive front (or anywhere else, for that matter), it's likely going to have to be in the draft. The Steelers have less than $2 million in cap space and in-house free agents like linebacker Robert Spillane and safety Terrell Edmunds to address.

            Potential Targets

            Peter Skoronski, Northwestern: Bleacher Report's top tackle prospect in the 2023 draft, Brandon Thorn called Skoronski "a technician with nimble movement skills, excellent balance, an advanced understanding of leverage and spatial awareness that puts him in consistently good positions before, during and after contact."

            Darnell Wright, Tennessee: A powerful, athletic and young tackle with experience at both left and right tackle, Wright shined against top-notch competition in the SEC. At worst, the 6'5", 335-pound prospect offers the team an excellent swing option. At best, he'd be a Day 1 starter and an immediate upgrade on the right side of the line.

            Matthew Bergeron, Syracuse: At 6'5" and 320 pounds, Bergeron has all the tools to be a difference-maker at the NFL level, whether it's length, strength, agility or athleticism. He's a bit more of a project as a player, but given his physical gifts, he has the potential to become an excellent tackle capable of playing on either end of the line.

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            • Steel Maniac
              Banned
              • Apr 2017
              • 19472

              #51
              Originally posted by NorthCoast
              Answer: No.

              But we do need to pick one of these early in the draft. I'd take any of these in a heartbeat.
              https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...rades-or-draft

              Biggest Missing Piece of NFL's Fringe Contenders in 2023 Free Agency, Trades or Draft

              GARY DAVENPORT
              JANUARY 19, 2023


              Pittsburgh Steelers: Offensive Tackle
              7 OF 10



              Peter Skoronski
              Peter SkoronskiRandy Litzinger/Icon Sportswire via Getty Images

              The Pittsburgh Steelers finished the 2022 season on a high note, winning six of seven to keep Mike Tomlin's streak of non-losing seasons intact. But while that hot finish offers Pittsburgh some reason for optimism heading into the offseason, the Steelers remain a team with flaws.

              And the biggest of those flaws isn't new.

              The offensive line has long been an issue in the Steel City, and while that unit was better in 2022 than the year before, starting tackles Dan Moore Jr. and Chukwuma Okorafor are average players on a good day and liabilities on a bad one.

              Unfortunately, if the Steelers are going to make improvements along the offensive front (or anywhere else, for that matter), it's likely going to have to be in the draft. The Steelers have less than $2 million in cap space and in-house free agents like linebacker Robert Spillane and safety Terrell Edmunds to address.

              Potential Targets

              Peter Skoronski, Northwestern: Bleacher Report's top tackle prospect in the 2023 draft, Brandon Thorn called Skoronski "a technician with nimble movement skills, excellent balance, an advanced understanding of leverage and spatial awareness that puts him in consistently good positions before, during and after contact."

              Darnell Wright, Tennessee: A powerful, athletic and young tackle with experience at both left and right tackle, Wright shined against top-notch competition in the SEC. At worst, the 6'5", 335-pound prospect offers the team an excellent swing option. At best, he'd be a Day 1 starter and an immediate upgrade on the right side of the line.

              Matthew Bergeron, Syracuse: At 6'5" and 320 pounds, Bergeron has all the tools to be a difference-maker at the NFL level, whether it's length, strength, agility or athleticism. He's a bit more of a project as a player, but given his physical gifts, he has the potential to become an excellent tackle capable of playing on either end of the line.
              I'm with you. I don't want a WR in the first round. But I don't put it past them to do it.

              I'll go on record right now and say If I had to run the draft, the first 3 picks would all be to address the lines.

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              • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 9795

                #52
                Originally posted by NorthCoast
                Answer: No.

                But we do need to pick one of these early in the draft. I'd take any of these in a heartbeat.
                https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...rades-or-draft

                Biggest Missing Piece of NFL's Fringe Contenders in 2023 Free Agency, Trades or Draft

                GARY DAVENPORT
                JANUARY 19, 2023


                Pittsburgh Steelers: Offensive Tackle
                7 OF 10



                Peter Skoronski
                Peter SkoronskiRandy Litzinger/Icon Sportswire via Getty Images

                The Pittsburgh Steelers finished the 2022 season on a high note, winning six of seven to keep Mike Tomlin's streak of non-losing seasons intact. But while that hot finish offers Pittsburgh some reason for optimism heading into the offseason, the Steelers remain a team with flaws.

                And the biggest of those flaws isn't new.

                The offensive line has long been an issue in the Steel City, and while that unit was better in 2022 than the year before, starting tackles Dan Moore Jr. and Chukwuma Okorafor are average players on a good day and liabilities on a bad one.

                Unfortunately, if the Steelers are going to make improvements along the offensive front (or anywhere else, for that matter), it's likely going to have to be in the draft. The Steelers have less than $2 million in cap space and in-house free agents like linebacker Robert Spillane and safety Terrell Edmunds to address.

                Potential Targets

                Peter Skoronski, Northwestern: Bleacher Report's top tackle prospect in the 2023 draft, Brandon Thorn called Skoronski "a technician with nimble movement skills, excellent balance, an advanced understanding of leverage and spatial awareness that puts him in consistently good positions before, during and after contact."

                Darnell Wright, Tennessee: A powerful, athletic and young tackle with experience at both left and right tackle, Wright shined against top-notch competition in the SEC. At worst, the 6'5", 335-pound prospect offers the team an excellent swing option. At best, he'd be a Day 1 starter and an immediate upgrade on the right side of the line.

                Matthew Bergeron, Syracuse: At 6'5" and 320 pounds, Bergeron has all the tools to be a difference-maker at the NFL level, whether it's length, strength, agility or athleticism. He's a bit more of a project as a player, but given his physical gifts, he has the potential to become an excellent tackle capable of playing on either end of the line.
                Given a choice, I'd have to question Wright if his upside is to start at RT. There seems to be quite a few tackle prospects in the draft, and consensus is all over the place. I'd love to know who is considered a day one LT starter of the bunch. I know guys like Skoronski and Paris Johnson are, but who else?
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                • feltdizz
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                  • May 2008
                  • 26823

                  #53
                  Marvin Harrison Jr is going to be the best WR to ever come out of Ohio State… next year.
                  Steelers 27
                  Rats 16

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                  • feltdizz
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                    • May 2008
                    • 26823

                    #54
                    Originally posted by Monalo
                    I’d be ok with Addison in the 1st or best OL, DL, CB, ILB available depending how the draft falls.

                    Excellent routes, speed in and out of breaks and finding holes in zone is what causes separation from defenders.
                    This is exactly what the Steelers need at WR. JA has these traits, plus good hands, RAC and the speed to take the top off a defense.

                    I really like Pickens. He’s great at contested and acrobatic catches, but rarely gets separation. Still needs work.

                    Some here think scheme is what gets WRs open, but there’s a whole lot more to it than that.
                    some of it is just a natural feel. Claypool and DJ don’t have it. Great route runner but ai don’t think he does his best work if a play is extended. He would’ve made a better play on that past pass in Miami instead of standing and watching an INT.

                    Pickens has it when the ball is in the air.

                    Addison is the type of WR we need to compliment this group. He knows how to sit in spots.. even at USC, that QB is ridiculous at extending plays and Addison knows how to find holes.

                    If you watched our WR’s when Kenny first got in someone pointed out how they were just standing at the end of their routes.

                    Kenny also praised how fast Addison runs routes. Which makes me wonder if thats why Pickens didn’t get kore targets. He doesn’t run crisp routes and he doesn’t look like he is running full speed on some plays. Could be tipping the D that he isn’t the primary target on those plays.

                    Keep moving fellas!!!
                    Last edited by feltdizz; 01-20-2023, 06:05 PM.
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                    • BURGH86STEEL
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                      • May 2008
                      • 6908

                      #55
                      I guess it all depends on the way the draft falls and the value that the Steelers believe they can get from the WR position. I am sure the Steelers will do several of their own mocks and reach a consensus on which players should be picked where and why

                      I never expected the Steelers to draft Mendenhall when Parker was the starter. The Steelers used their 1st pick in the 2nd round on Claypool. Players rise or fall throughout the draft process. Just never know how things will play out.

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                      • Steel Maniac
                        Banned
                        • Apr 2017
                        • 19472

                        #56
                        Originally posted by BURGH86STEEL
                        I guess it all depends on the way the draft falls and the value that the Steelers believe they can get from the WR position. I am sure the Steelers will do several of their own mocks and reach a consensus on which players should be picked where and why

                        I never expected the Steelers to draft Mendenhall when Parker was the starter. The Steelers used their 1st pick in the 2nd round on Claypool. Players rise or fall throughout the draft process. Just never know how things will play out.
                        True...


                        After the last 4 years, If posters haven't figured out that you can't predict what the front office is going to do. Granted, Colbert is gone so maybe will see a little more predictability but I'm not taking anything form granted. Should they address the lines with the first pick? Yeah. But they should have had Humprey's too...and didn't. Let's hope they actually do what their suppose to do this year for a change.

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                        • hawaiiansteel
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                          • May 2008
                          • 34517

                          #57
                          Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                          Given a choice, I'd have to question Wright if his upside is to start at RT. There seems to be quite a few tackle prospects in the draft, and consensus is all over the place. I'd love to know who is considered a day one LT starter of the bunch. I know guys like Skoronski and Paris Johnson are, but who else?
                          from the mocks I've seen, Jaelyn Duncan gets mentioned often.

                          plus he's from Maryland, which is an added bonus.

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                          • Captain Lemming
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                            • Jun 2008
                            • 15960

                            #58
                            Originally posted by feltdizz
                            some of it is just a natural feel. Claypool and DJ don’t have it. Great route runner but ai don’t think he does his best work if a play is extended. He would’ve made a better play on that past pass in Miami instead of standing and watching an INT.

                            Pickens has it when the ball is in the air.

                            Addison is the type of WR we need to compliment this group. He knows how to sit in spots.. even at USC, that QB is ridiculous at extending plays and Addison knows how to find holes.

                            If you watched our WR’s when Kenny first got in someone pointed out how they were just standing at the end of their routes.

                            Kenny also praised how fast Addison runs routes.
                            If Addison times like Kenny says, he won't get to us. I don't want a receiver that high anyway.

                            I hope he times slow enough that he is available at 32 (4.5) but has nice "football speed".
                            Last edited by Captain Lemming; 01-21-2023, 07:38 AM.
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                            • feltdizz
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 26823

                              #59
                              Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                              If Addison times like Kenny says, he won't get to us. I don't want a receiver that high anyway.

                              I hope he times slow enough that he is available at 32 (4.5) but has nice "football speed".
                              I don’t think Addison is that fast. I think Kenny did that on purpose.

                              when Addison runs a 4.4 people will think its much slower than Pickett said.. and he drops to 17.
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                              • Chucktownsteeler
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                                • May 2008
                                • 6636

                                #60
                                Originally posted by Steel Maniac
                                True...


                                After the last 4 years, If posters haven't figured out that you can't predict what the front office is going to do. Granted, Colbert is gone so maybe will see a little more predictability but I'm not taking anything form granted. Should they address the lines with the first pick? Yeah. But they should have had Humprey's too...and didn't. Let's hope they actually do what their suppose to do this year for a change.
                                Dizz predicted KP8 and most has predicted Najee the year before.
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