Do we really need to spend a high draft pick on receiver?

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  • Chucktownsteeler
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    • May 2008
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    #31
    Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
    First round WR makes one receiver better.

    First round LT makes every receiver and the QB better
    I dunno, 1 WR can make the other WRs better if they command double coverage. One WR can make the OL better if their routes are crisp and they can get open and catch. One WR can make the run game better with good blocking down field and also getting 8 or 8 out of the box.

    It all depends on who shines at the combine and who is available when we select.
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    • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
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      • May 2008
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      #32
      Originally posted by Chucktownsteeler
      I dunno, 1 WR can make the other WRs better if they command double coverage. One WR can make the OL better if their routes are crisp and they can get open and catch. One WR can make the run game better with good blocking down field and also getting 8 or 8 out of the box.

      It all depends on who shines at the combine and who is available when we select.
      It's the old chicken or egg question. My belief is that it starts with the grunts up front. I think an exceptional line and average skill players is better than exceptional skill players and average line. If a QB has to make a decision in two seconds and the receiver has to get open in the same time then you need perfect execution on every play. Given time, even the most mediocre of players has the skill to execute.
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      • Chucktownsteeler
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        • May 2008
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        #33
        Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
        It's the old chicken or egg question. My belief is that it starts with the grunts up front. I think an exceptional line and average skill players is better than exceptional skill players and average line. If a QB has to make a decision in two seconds and the receiver has to get open in the same time then you need perfect execution on every play. Given time, even the most mediocre of players has the skill to execute.
        I agree that DJ can get open. Even in Ben's article today he states he can't be covered. But that doesn't mean squat if he can't catch or is afraid to get hit.

        He was targeted 10 times against the Rats, catching 2. Now, 2 were batted down at the LOS so he was 2 of 8, 25%. That doesn't cut it, especially when he's raking in a cool 20 mil a year.
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        • feltdizz
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          • May 2008
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          #34
          Originally posted by Chucktownsteeler
          I agree that DJ can get open. Even in Ben's article today he states he can't be covered. But that doesn't mean squat if he can't catch or is afraid to get hit.

          He was targeted 10 times against the Rats, catching 2. Now, 2 were batted down at the LOS so he was 2 of 8, 25%. That doesn't cut it, especially when he's raking in a cool 20 mil a year.
          My issue is once he catches it. He rarely does anything exciting once he has the ball in his hands.
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          • Captain Lemming
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            • Jun 2008
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            #35
            Originally posted by feltdizz
            you are annoying as hell.

            either accept that WE.. say WE, or stfu.

            yinzer can also be used a variety of ways.

            back to ignore you go.
            Such an idiot. Like he's telling people something they don't already know.

            Hey Tazz, as long as THE ROONEY PAID ANNOUNCER tells the fans that they are YOUR STEELERS, we will call them OUR Steelers.

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            • Northern_Blitz
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              • Dec 2008
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              #36
              Originally posted by feltdizz
              My issue is once he catches it. He rarely does anything exciting once he has the ball in his hands.
              This was not true before this season. Something happened here.

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              • Captain Lemming
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                • Jun 2008
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                #37
                Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                This was not true before this season. Something happened here.
                He has forgotten which way to run
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                In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

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                • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
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                  • May 2008
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Chucktownsteeler
                  I agree that DJ can get open. Even in Ben's article today he states he can't be covered. But that doesn't mean squat if he can't catch or is afraid to get hit.

                  He was targeted 10 times against the Rats, catching 2. Now, 2 were batted down at the LOS so he was 2 of 8, 25%. That doesn't cut it, especially when he's raking in a cool 20 mil a year.
                  I'm hoping that he can figure this out because his game is falling off in other areas as he continues to struggle. I don't know if he needs a coach or a psychologist, but he needs to come to terms with this soon.
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                  • Northern_Blitz
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                    • Dec 2008
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                    He has forgotten which way to run
                    Bad coaching.

                    Just like every play Tomlin should have been reminding (1) Pouncey that he's supposed to snap it TO the QB and (2) Ben what color jersey our team was wearing (can't expect a hall of famer to look at his own wardrobe); he should also be reminding DJ that the end zone we're trying to score on is the one that's in front of him when he lines up at the beginning of the play.

                    Tomlin just doesn't focus on the fundamentals enough. Terrible coach. FIRE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                    • feltdizz
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                      • May 2008
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                      #40
                      If Addison or Njigba are on the board at 17 we NEED to select them.

                      If not, we don’t need to do it and will draft one in the second round. Not the 32nd pick but the latter pick.
                      Last edited by feltdizz; 01-20-2023, 09:09 AM.
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                      • Mr.wizard
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                        • May 2014
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                        #41
                        Why does it matter what round we take a WR? We dont have to draft position, we can draft BPA and if thats a WR then so be it. We are going to be a player in FA this coming year so we dont have to go into the draft trying to fill every need.

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                        • feltdizz
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                          • May 2008
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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Mr.wizard
                          Why does it matter what round we take a WR? We dont have to draft position, we can draft BPA and if thats a WR then so be it. We are going to be a player in FA this coming year so we dont have to go into the draft trying to fill every need.
                          it matters because draft experts on here want to be right about their mock drafts.

                          They put a ton of weight on that first round pick. It has to be a certain position or else its an awful pick.
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                          • Joel Buchsbaum
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                            • Jan 2021
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                            #43
                            Originally posted by feltdizz
                            If Addison or Njigba are on the board at 17 we NEED to select them.

                            If not, we don’t need to do it and will draft one in the second round. Not the 32nd pick but the latter pick.
                            We need to select WR in round one? Um, no. This is getting ridiculous. Quote me correctly btw, I do so for you.
                            Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                            Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                            *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                            • Monalo
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                              • Sep 2021
                              • 293

                              #44
                              Originally posted by feltdizz
                              If Addison or Njigba are on the board at 17 we NEED to select them.

                              If not, we don’t need to do it and will draft one in the second round. Not the 32nd pick but the latter pick.
                              I’d be ok with Addison in the 1st or best OL, DL, CB, ILB available depending how the draft falls.

                              Excellent routes, speed in and out of breaks and finding holes in zone is what causes separation from defenders.
                              This is exactly what the Steelers need at WR. JA has these traits, plus good hands, RAC and the speed to take the top off a defense.

                              I really like Pickens. He’s great at contested and acrobatic catches, but rarely gets separation. Still needs work.

                              Some here think scheme is what gets WRs open, but there’s a whole lot more to it than that.
                              Last edited by Monalo; 01-20-2023, 12:40 PM.

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                              • Steel Maniac
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                                • Apr 2017
                                • 19472

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Monalo
                                I’d be ok with Addison in the 1st or best OL, DL, CB, ILB available depending how the draft falls.

                                Excellent routes, speed in and out of breaks and finding holes in zone is what causes separation from defenders.
                                This is exactly what the Steelers need. JA has these traits, along with good hands, RAC and the speed to take the top off a defense.

                                I really like Pickens. He’s great at contested and acrobatic catches, but rarely gets separation. Still needs work.

                                Some here think scheme is what gets WRs open, but there’s a whole lot more to it than that.
                                I see what your saying. And your exactly right that it's more than schemes that get WR's open.

                                Question..

                                How is the overall draft class of WR's this coming draft? I've not heard anyone talk about the overall value of the class so far. Is it deep? Thin?

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