Can we stop comparing Pickett to Mahomes or Ben?

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  • Joel Buchsbaum
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    • Jan 2021
    • 7043

    Can we stop comparing Pickett to Mahomes or Ben?

    Mahomes has special things that Pickett doesn't not to mention a way better arm. But I'm talking about an elite level offensive minded head coach and offensive pieces around him at the OL. That's is a BIG reason why he developed. His physically better though, has undeniable physical talent that Pickett lacks. He may have a better " football IQ " too. Not that I would use the wonder lick test to judge, but that is clearly in Mahomes favor too. I find his lack of arm strength/velocity level alarming ( If we are being honest ) and his QB reads, accuracy, and feels for a rookie to be sup par. Do I really need to go over why it's silly to compare him to Ben?

    Too bad the data isn't there to show the board what I'm talking about: the MPH on his short throws and how long it takes the average qb the similar throw passes. Pickett's passes lack velocity and he puts too much air on the deeper throws. Fans have to estimate these things maybe in the future we will have this type of data. But I tell you from watching a lot of football and being a fair gauge of such things, Picketts arm is lacking. He floats the deeper balls to his passses giving the DB's more time to break on the ball, which creates interceptions and more pass break ups. This goes for shorter passes too! Football is a game or inches and tenth's of a second! Can you hear what I'm talking about and smell the cheesecake ( they are great aren't they ) I'm cooking? And his reads and ability to see the field are well...he's a rookie.

    Pickett is better compared to Andy Dalton with better mobility, and lesser arm. Fans might cringe at reading this but Dalton at his best was as an above average QB. Maybe Pickett will reach this or pass it. Maybe he won't.
    Last edited by Joel Buchsbaum; 11-15-2022, 10:45 AM.
    Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

    Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

    *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***
  • WindyCitySteel
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    • Nov 2011
    • 14257

    #2
    I agree, he'll either be worse than, equal to, or better than Andy Dalton.

    Glad that's sorted.

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    • Joel Buchsbaum
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      • Jan 2021
      • 7043

      #3
      Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
      I agree, he'll either be worse than, equal to, or better than Andy Dalton.

      Glad that's sorted.
      You get it. Smell what I'm cooking? Another comparison would be well... I can't say it! But the list of first round Qb's isn't a bed of rosses.

      Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

      Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

      *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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      • WindyCitySteel
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        • Nov 2011
        • 14257

        #4
        Every QB in NFL history was less than, equal to, or better than Andy Dalton.

        Not sure what there is to get.

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        • Eich
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          • Jul 2010
          • 6562

          #5
          I keep hearing that KP is accurate but lacks arm strength. Would be nice to have analytics around this. Is his arm really less strong than Peyton Manning's or Tom Brady's? Neither of those guys had a cannon.

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          • Captain Lemming
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            • Jun 2008
            • 15883

            #6
            Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
            Every QB in NFL history was less than, equal to, or better than Andy Dalton.

            Not sure what there is to get.
            He sure didn't "get" your point.
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            In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

            TCFCLTC-
            The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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            • feltdizz
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              • May 2008
              • 26496

              #7
              I doubt that will happen.

              It really comes down to personal responsibility.

              You can compare him to another QB..

              or

              just watch him develop and see where he ends up in a few years.
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              • LPMAN
                Pro Bowler
                • Sep 2021
                • 1662

                #8
                OK, let's compare him to Tommy Maddox an EX Steelers QB. Pickett better at running, Maddox much better at passing.

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                • NJ-STEELER
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                  • May 2008
                  • 12563

                  #9
                  Originally posted by LPMAN
                  OK, let's compare him to Tommy Maddox an EX Steelers QB. Pickett better at running, Maddox much better at passing.
                  thats who I said he reminded me.
                  physical stairs, sane number etc

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                  • WattDaHell
                    Rookie
                    • Oct 2022
                    • 9

                    #10
                    First I certainly wish we were looking for our QB this year but that ship has sailed so I support the guy and think he will be solid (best I can see) but you can win with that. All that said forget same breath, anyone even mentioning Kenny freaking Pickett on the same day they speak of Ma-homey or Ben is into the good crack or being really unfair to Pickett.

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                    • WindyCitySteel
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                      • Nov 2011
                      • 14257

                      #11
                      Originally posted by LPMAN
                      OK, let's compare him to Tommy Maddox an EX Steelers QB. Pickett better at running, Maddox much better at passing.
                      It's so odd that Maddox was a better passer in his 6th NFL season 10 years after he was drafted than Kenny is after five games.

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                      • feltdizz
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                        • May 2008
                        • 26496

                        #12
                        Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                        It's so odd that Maddox was a better passer in his 6th NFL season 10 years after he was drafted than Kenny is after five games.

                        Hold up now.. this isn’t fair.

                        You are using facts.
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                        • Joel Buchsbaum
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                          • Jan 2021
                          • 7043

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Eich
                          I keep hearing that KP is accurate but lacks arm strength. Would be nice to have analytics around this. Is his arm really less strong than Peyton Manning's or Tom Brady's? Neither of those guys had a cannon.
                          Yes, it noticeable less than Manning's and Brady's
                          Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                          Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                          *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                          • Joel Buchsbaum
                            Legend
                            • Jan 2021
                            • 7043

                            #14
                            Originally posted by LPMAN
                            OK, let's compare him to Tommy Maddox an EX Steelers QB. Pickett better at running, Maddox much better at passing.
                            I did not think of that, but yet I am doing my best not to laugh. Maddox ability to read a defense was MUCH better.
                            Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                            Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                            *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                            • Captain Lemming
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                              • Jun 2008
                              • 15883

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                              Yes, it noticeable less than Manning's and Brady's
                              More like Montana. :]
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                              In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                              TCFCLTC-
                              The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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