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  • NorthCoast
    Legend
    • Sep 2008
    • 24940

    We Haven't Seen the Real Canada Offense

    A long podcast by Chris Carter and Josh Taylor chime in on the coming season outlook on offense.

    • "Canada's offense got derailed when Roethlisberger decided to return for one more season"
    • Canada's 2017 offense at Pitt was the blueprint for KC's offense via Brad Childress as KC's OC after drafting Mahomes.
    • Too much jet motion? "All the top teams do it... a lot. Rams, SF, KC, GB, BUF...."
    • "Shanahan based offense... all these teams are starting to do it."
    • Need an accurate QB for this type of offense
    • "If you told me then that the Steelers wouldn't draft a single offensive lineman I would call you crazy"
    • Tyrell Crosby at OT?.....a move that "fits the Steelers MO", a cheap capable signing


  • Buzz
    Legend
    • Dec 2017
    • 8020

    #2
    I sure hope we haven't seen the "real" Canada offense, because what we've seen under his tenure, up till now

    SUCKS!!!

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    • feltdizz
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 26535

      #3
      Originally posted by Buzz
      I sure hope we haven't seen the "real" Canada offense, because what we've seen under his tenure, up till now

      SUCKS!!!
      There is a reason most NFL players retire before they are 36.
      Last edited by feltdizz; 06-08-2022, 11:30 AM.
      Stains 29
      Steelers 37

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      • whisper
        Legend
        • Mar 2020
        • 9423

        #4
        Originally posted by Buzz
        I sure hope we haven't seen the "real" Canada offense, because what we've seen under his tenure, up till now

        SUCKS!!!
        Not to mention, the only time the O moved at all was when Ben called the plays. The 1st three quarters were beyond anemic.

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        • hawaiiansteel
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 34323

          #5
          Is Matt Canada the kind of coach who learns from his mistakes?

          Steel Maniac's Time-Based Prediction: Lamar Jackson will be a bust and total flop in the NFL.

          What Actually Happened: Lamar Jackson became the youngest two-time NFL MVP winner ever.

          Gloat gloat gloat


          Boom........Knuckle up. Punk.

          My IT guy...
          Hahahahahahaha

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          • feltdizz
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 26535

            #6
            Originally posted by whisper
            Not to mention, the only time the O moved at all was when Ben called the plays. The 1st three quarters were beyond anemic.
            yeah.. but one has to winder if Ben
            simply refused to go downfield in Canada’s offense. There were times guys were open or downfield and he chose DJ early and often.

            We shall see soon enough
            Stains 29
            Steelers 37

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            • NorthCoast
              Legend
              • Sep 2008
              • 24940

              #7
              Originally posted by whisper
              Not to mention, the only time the O moved at all was when Ben called the plays. The 1st three quarters were beyond anemic.
              So he wasn't allowed to audible in the first 3 qtrs? And I suppose Canada was responsible for Roethlisberger's 62% completion rate in the first 3 qtrs, and then suddenly Roethlisberger was more accurate in the 4th qtr (71%)? Or is it more likely that opponents were ahead and didn't play as tight on defense as in the first three qtrs?

              None of this will get settled until we see what Canada brings to the table with a new QB. There will always be questions of OC vs QB effect until one changes.

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              • Bawb the Revelator
                Pro Bowler
                • Jan 2022
                • 1977

                #8
                Originally posted by feltdizz
                yeah.. but one has to winder if Ben
                simply refused to go downfield in Canada’s offense. There were times guys were open or downfield and he chose DJ early and often.

                We shall see soon enough
                Josh T. seems to be a straight shooter and Ben was collecting a 2021
                Steeler Employee $14-million Award for Long, Faithful Service, so maybe...
                Last edited by Bawb the Revelator; 05-16-2022, 10:44 PM.

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                • Captain Lemming
                  Legend
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 15894

                  #9
                  Originally posted by whisper
                  Not to mention, the only time the O moved at all was when Ben called the plays. The 1st three quarters were beyond anemic.
                  I think that kinda is the point. Old Ben does not fit Canada's offense. Therefore, Ben is better doing his own thing in the 4th.

                  Hopefully, with players who are aquire with the right skill set, we will see what it can do.
                  sigpic



                  In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                  TCFCLTC-
                  The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                  • WindyCitySteel
                    Legend
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 14277

                    #10
                    Some of these comeback wins and 4Q drives were less than spectacular. 4 and 5 yard FG drives vs. Tenn after turnovers, a go-ahead 40-yard FG drive vs. Seattle that featured mostly Najee, an early 4Q TD vs. Cleveland to cap a 15-point game, couple of FG drives vs. the awful Bears.

                    A lot of this was the same offense against teams playing back, trying to prevent the big play. Ben wasn't exactly channeling vintage Elway or Montana and carving up defenses.
                    Last edited by WindyCitySteel; 05-17-2022, 07:20 AM.

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                    • Shawn
                      Legend
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 15129

                      #11
                      Originally posted by NorthCoast
                      A long podcast by Chris Carter and Josh Taylor chime in on the coming season outlook on offense.

                      • "Canada's offense got derailed when Roethlisberger decided to return for one more season"
                      • Canada's 2017 offense at Pitt was the blueprint for KC's offense via Brad Childress as KC's OC after drafting Mahomes.
                      • Too much jet motion? "All the top teams do it... a lot. Rams, SF, KC, GB, BUF...."
                      • "Shanahan based offense... all these teams are starting to do it."
                      • Need an accurate QB for this type of offense
                      • "If you told me then that the Steelers wouldn't draft a single offensive lineman I would call you crazy"
                      • Tyrell Crosby at OT?.....a move that "fits the Steelers MO", a cheap capable signing


                      One of the better posts of the year. We don't know what Canada can do. Ben wasn't his type of QB and wasn't on the same page. Judging Canada on a used up BB? That's what you call ignorance. I'm not saying he is a guru. I make no predictions. What I will say is that judging him prematurely is nonsense.
                      Trolls are people too.

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                      • feltdizz
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 26535

                        #12
                        Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                        Some of these comeback wins and 4Q drives were less than spectacular. 4 and 5 yard FG drives vs. Tenn after turnovers, a go-ahead 40-yard FG drive vs. Seattle that featured mostly Najee, an early 4Q TD vs. Cleveland to cap a 15-point game, couple of FG drives vs. the awful Bears.

                        A lot of this was the same offense against teams playing back, trying to prevent the big play. Ben wasn't exactly channeling vintage Elway or Montana and carving up defenses.
                        without context its real easy to turn those 7 4th quarter wins into 7 AZ SB drives.. lol.
                        Stains 29
                        Steelers 37

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                        • hawaiiansteel
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 34323

                          #13
                          Pittsburgh Steelers preparing for a completely “different” offense in 2022

                          The Pittsburgh Steelers offense will look different in 2022, and that isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

                          Jun 1, 2022

                          Change is inevitable in life, and even more so in the NFL. There is always roster turnover, coaching changes and front office jobs which are changed almost on a yearly basis. But the change also goes far beyond the names on a jersey.

                          When you consider the Pittsburgh Steelers’ 2022 offseason, it has all be based around a significant amount of change. The retirement of veteran quarterback Ben Roethlisberger and long-time General Manager (GM) Kevin Colbert have the Steelers organization at a crossroads.

                          With the aforementioned retirements there will be a ripple effect within the organization, and there is a chance that change isn’t a bad thing. The area most would point to for positive change would be on the offensive side of the football. Without Roethlisberger in the mix, as well as several offensive additions in both free agency and the 2022 NFL Draft, Matt Canada finally has the pieces in place to run his offense. Not a Roethlisberger-Canada offense.

                          Through just one week of Organized Team Activities (OTAs) offensive players are already making comments about the offense is different.

                          “It’s definitely a different offense,” tight end Pat Freiermuth confirmed to Mike Prisuta of Steelers.com. “With Ben being here for so long, he had his ways that he wanted things. And you had to respect that being the vet he was and the Hall-of-Fame guy he was. We definitely have different ways that we do things now with the offense.

                          “Different alignments, different concepts, everything like that. That’s what I’m looking forward to.”

                          There has been a lot of criticism of Canada’s offense since he was promoted to offensive coordinator prior to the 2021 season. But if Canada had a crutch to lean on during the offense’s dismal performance last season it would be he didn’t have the players to truly run his scheme. Shockingly, Freiermuth agreed with the criticism, and recognizes how this year’s offense will be what people have always expected from Matt Canada calling the plays.

                          “I completely agree with the media on that,” Freiermuth said. “It’s gonna be Coach Canada’s offense and he’s gonna do what he came here to do.”

                          With the new, and different, offense comes many new faces to help run said scheme. None larger than the quarterbacks who encompass the Steelers’ quarterback room. Mason Rudolph stands as the only player with extensive experience with Canada, with Mitch Trubisky, Kenny Pickett and Chris Oladokun rounding out the group this offseason.

                          So, what has been installed in the early stages of Phase 3 OTAs? According to Trubisky, the installation period is going well.

                          “We’ve kinda installed through everything and then we’re gonna go through and find out what fits us as an offense, me, specifically, and then the rest of the quarterback room,” Trubisky said. “It’s been a good installation period and I’m really enjoying the offense so far.”

                          At this point, it is natural for Steelers fans to be skeptical of hope for the Steelers offense in 2022, and beyond. The offense fans have witnessed the past two seasons, only one with Canada at the helm, has been less than impressive. However, if there is any hope remaining it is in the fact the team has provided Canada the pieces he needs to run his offense.

                          Will his offense work at the NFL level? Time will tell, but there is no doubt the Steelers have gone all-in on providing Canada with the roster he needs to get the offense back on track.

                          Steel Maniac's Time-Based Prediction: Lamar Jackson will be a bust and total flop in the NFL.

                          What Actually Happened: Lamar Jackson became the youngest two-time NFL MVP winner ever.

                          Gloat gloat gloat


                          Boom........Knuckle up. Punk.

                          My IT guy...
                          Hahahahahahaha

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                          • NJ-STEELER
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 12563

                            #14
                            Canada >>> bill walsh

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                            • NorthCoast
                              Legend
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 24940

                              #15
                              Makes you wonder what we were looking at when the offense was on the field in 2021.

                              Roethlisberger/Canada = Oil/Vinegar

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