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  • flippy
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    • Dec 2008
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    #31
    Originally posted by SteelBucks
    We need to remember he would be coaching the WRs, not the OC. August isn’t exactly a prime month to find coaching replacements.
    I hear you. Just hearing that name struck a nerve. Sherman was arguably one of the worst coaches we've had.

    Yes, being a WR coach isn't the same as being an OC.
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    • RuthlessBurgher
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      • May 2008
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      #32
      Originally posted by flippy
      Yes, being a WR coach isn't the same as being an OC.
      In a similar vein...

      Dick LeBeau was a better coordinator than head coach...

      Mike Munchak was a better position coach than head coach...

      It would appear that Ray Sherman is likely a better position coach than coordinator.

      At least we have to hope so.

      Or maybe instead of making Ray Sherman the WR coach and Blaine Stewart the assistant WR coach...

      We make Blaine Stewart the WR coach and keep Ray Sherman around as a consultant.

      (kind of like how Karl Dunbar is our DL coach but John Mitchell is still around as a consultant).
      Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

      Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

      We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

      We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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      • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
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        • May 2008
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        #33
        Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
        Or maybe instead of making Ray Sherman the WR coach and Blaine Stewart the assistant WR coach...

        We make Blaine Stewart the WR coach and keep Ray Sherman around as a consultant.
        That is what I was figuring. It all depends on how the team likes Stewart, but promoting the young guy to keep a sense of continuity and give him a more experienced ear to bend when needed.
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        • Oviedo
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          • May 2008
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          #34
          Originally posted by flippy
          I hear you. Just hearing that name struck a nerve. Sherman was arguably one of the worst coaches we've had.

          Yes, being a WR coach isn't the same as being an OC.
          Was he really? As I recall that era, Cowher had a habit of throwing coaches under the bus so it was their fault and not his. It was Cowher who almost mandated "Marty ball" for the offense so I'm not sure any OC really had a chance
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          • steelerkeylargo
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            • Mar 2009
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            #35
            I've also heard Jericho Cotchery could come in






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            • flippy
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              • Dec 2008
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              #36
              Originally posted by Oviedo
              Was he really? As I recall that era, Cowher had a habit of throwing coaches under the bus so it was their fault and not his. It was Cowher who almost mandated "Marty ball" for the offense so I'm not sure any OC really had a chance
              Not sure this is true. Chan seemed to be doing ok with Kordell and the O a year earlier. Everything was pointing up before he left.

              I always thought of Sherman as a guy who tried to force his system vs adapting to the players he had.

              But to your point, I never really know how much credit/blame should be credited to different coaches. The HC has an impact as do the coordinators and position coaches. I guess I'd lean toward Cowher was there when Chan was doing fine. What has Sherman accomplished in his career to lead us to believe we should give him the benefit of the doubt? Maybe there's something. I don't know. I'm just going off my gut reaction for the 1 yr he was here. So I'm sure I could be wrong? The fact that we brought him back means someone didn't think he was all bad.
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              • fordfixer
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                • May 2008
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                #37
                Originally posted by steelerkeylargo
                I've also heard Jericho Cotchery could come in
                What are your thoughts on this? Would this be a good thing?

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                • steelerkeylargo
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                  • Mar 2009
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by fordfixer
                  What are your thoughts on this? Would this be a good thing?

                  He was a solid WR. I have no idea if he can coach






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                  • fordfixer
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                    • May 2008
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by steelerkeylargo
                    He was a solid WR. I have no idea if he can coach
                    Ok. I knew that much just checking if you had some insight into his coaching. Thanks

                    Molon labe

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                    ?We're not going to apologize for winning.?
                    Mike Tomlin

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                    • RuthlessBurgher
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                      • May 2008
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                      #40
                      In 2017, Cotchery joined the Carolina Panthers coaching staff as the assistant wide receiver coach.
                      Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                      Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                      We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                      We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                      • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
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                        • May 2008
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                        #41
                        Originally posted by flippy
                        I always thought of Sherman as a guy who tried to force his system vs adapting to the players he had.
                        I'm trying to remember who the OC was at the time, it might have been Gilbride, who put Kordell into a system that was horrible for him and his receivers. Everything was an option based on where the defender was positioned i.e. if the defender plays the receiver on this side then break here, otherwise if he does this then receiver goes here.

                        Stewart was still pretty young and not much experience as a QB reading the D. On top of that, he had a young group of receivers who were also raw when it came to diagnosing the play and being on the same page as the QB. Awful system for them at that time.
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                        • NorthCoast
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                          • Sep 2008
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                          #42
                          Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                          I'm trying to remember who the OC was at the time, it might have been Gilbride, who put Kordell into a system that was horrible for him and his receivers. Everything was an option based on where the defender was positioned i.e. if the defender plays the receiver on this side then break here, otherwise if he does this then receiver goes here.

                          Stewart was still pretty young and not much experience as a QB reading the D. On top of that, he had a young group of receivers who were also raw when it came to diagnosing the play and being on the same page as the QB. Awful system for them at that time.
                          You are correct sir. Gilbride's (aka 'killpride') offense was based on reads of the defense. The big problem was that QB and receiver didn't always read the same thing. Way too complex for modern day players that switch teams at the drop of a hat.

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                          • Northern_Blitz
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                            • Dec 2008
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                            #43
                            Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                            I'm trying to remember who the OC was at the time, it might have been Gilbride, who put Kordell into a system that was horrible for him and his receivers. Everything was an option based on where the defender was positioned i.e. if the defender plays the receiver on this side then break here, otherwise if he does this then receiver goes here.

                            Stewart was still pretty young and not much experience as a QB reading the D. On top of that, he had a young group of receivers who were also raw when it came to diagnosing the play and being on the same page as the QB. Awful system for them at that time.
                            I thought Kordell was a big part of hiring Gilbride. Maybe I'm misremembering though.

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