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  • NorthCoast
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    • Sep 2008
    • 25596

    Rooney: "Fans Should Not Expect Knee-Jerk Changes"

    Interesting read. And it's not Art with the title quote, it's Jim Rooney. The subject of this article.

    Here's a segment on the Tomlin hire and the Steelers 'process'. Three of the final 4 HC candidates ended up as HCs and in championship games does say a lot about their hiring process:

    In 2007, Dan Rooney showed the league firsthand how the Rooney Rule process could work in the job search that led to the hiring of Mike Tomlin.

    “He took more time than everyone else,” Jim says. “He didn’t get worried about what folks were saying, and he followed through on the process. He started with a larger pool of candidates than anyone else with Mike (Tomlin). I believe it was 37 coaches. We got down to 12 and in that original number, we had a lot more minority candidates than other folks were looking at. We get down to 12 and then down to four. I think three of the final four coaches ended up being head coaches, and all three have been in Super Bowls or championship games. So I think having a thorough process and taking your time allows you to really get to know folks who have talent in a way. If you just jump after your guy who is in the media and you’re kind of falling for that, I don’t think that helps your system or your culture.”

    Despite the recent years without a playoff win, Jim says fans should not expect the knee-jerk changes that guide other NFL teams in similar situations.

    “The way the Steelers do business, and people can argue with us because we haven’t had a lot of success in the playoffs lately, but I think it is different than how other teams do business,” Jim says. “We see how good Omar (Khan) is doing as general manager, but several folks didn’t take the opportunity to hire him, which I think was a mistake on their part. We do things differently. And I don’t think folks always like the methodologies, the attention to detail, and the ways that things are slower, but there’s more continuity. I hear the criticism of fans about not winning playoff games, for sure. But I do think in the long run, the methods that my father set up are the best practices. They are counter to the way a lot of folks do things and they don’t hire our people which I think is a mistake on their part.”
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  • Oviedo
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 23701

    #2
    If someone doesn't like how the Steelers do things, there are 31 other options.

    They aren't always right, but they make the decisions.

    They put out a quality product year after year at a rate most franchise would beg to have
    "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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    • WindyCitySteel
      Legend
      • Nov 2011
      • 15025

      #3
      Originally posted by Oviedo
      If someone doesn't like how the Steelers do things, there are 31 other options.

      They aren't always right, but they make the decisions.

      They put out a quality product year after year at a rate most franchise would beg to have
      “Steeler fans should accept mediocrity and repeated ass whippings by better teams. At least we’re not Cleveland.”

      My, how the standard has changed.

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      • T.Ferguson
        Pro Bowler
        • Sep 2021
        • 2346

        #4
        Sounds like some within the organization are losing the plot a little. Saying knee-jerk reactions after nearly a decade long playoff win drought with the same HC is bizarre. It would be one thing to say this after the Steelers got embarrassed by the Pats in the AFCCG although that's when I would've let Tomlin go but to say it now oooof.

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        • Eich
          Legend
          • Jul 2010
          • 6842

          #5
          Yeah, how many seasons of no playoff wins (and humiliating beat downs) is enough, before my reaction is no longer considered to be a jerk of my knee? We're on 8 straight now. And only 4 seasons with a playoff win out of 18.

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          • Eich
            Legend
            • Jul 2010
            • 6842

            #6
            Originally posted by Oviedo
            If someone doesn't like how the Steelers do things, there are 31 other options.
            You realize, this is not how it works to be a fan, right?

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            • Flasteel
              Hall of Famer
              • May 2008
              • 3885

              #7
              Originally posted by T.Ferguson
              Sounds like some within the organization are losing the plot a little. Saying knee-jerk reactions after nearly a decade long playoff win drought with the same HC is bizarre. It would be one thing to say this after the Steelers got embarrassed by the Pats in the AFCCG although that's when I would've let Tomlin go but to say it now oooof.
              The knee-jerk reaction is making wholesale changes in response to the five-game losing streak. You can certainly open up the lens and look at the past seven years, but that's not what he's referring to.

              The big mysteries to solve for me are the offensive line and defense. Despite a concerted effort to fix the o-line, nothing they have done over the past three seasons has helped to make this a better unit. They are the Achilles heel of the offense, despite all of the bellyaching over WR2, Najee, or the QB position.

              It's hard to believe how bad the defense got as they just wilted against stronger competition down the stretch. Although, we can point to disappointing seasons from Minkah, Queen, Larry O, Benton, Jackson, Porter, and even Watt, is it really possible that all of them took steps backwards this year or as the season progressed? I think not. I believe this points directly at coaching and how the players are being used. Since Mike T is the DeFacto DC, it does ring a little hollow to replace Austin. However, I think that's one of the moves that needs to be made. Get an innovative mind in here that can help Tomlin get this defense cooking again.
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              • Northern_Blitz
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                • Dec 2008
                • 23529

                #8
                Originally posted by NorthCoast
                Interesting read. And it's not Art with the title quote, it's Jim Rooney. The subject of this article.

                Here's a segment on the Tomlin hire and the Steelers 'process'. Three of the final 4 HC candidates ended up as HCs and in championship games does say a lot about their hiring process:



                Read more here:
                https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...-playoff-loses
                Note: 3 of the final 4. (Tomlin, Grimm, Whisenhunt, I assume the 4th is Rivera? Made the NFCC as HC of Carolina in 2015).

                The non-HC was Russ Grimm. Who was seen as the front runner by many. And lots of people hated the Tomlin hire because they wanted the old member of the Hogs instead.

                Grimm was out of football in a couple of years IIRC.

                And though it's not the reason for all the dislike of Tomlin, picking him over Grimm is a big reason for a lot of it.

                But it was objectively the correct choice.

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                • T.Ferguson
                  Pro Bowler
                  • Sep 2021
                  • 2346

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Flasteel

                  The knee-jerk reaction is making wholesale changes in response to the five-game losing streak. You can certainly open up the lens and look at the past seven years, but that's not what he's referring to.
                  He goes on to talk about all the recent playoff losses so I think that is what he's referring to. The way he's rationalizing the losses too is really scary. For the Browns loss apparently COVID was to blame lol what the hell??

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                  • NorthCoast
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                    • Sep 2008
                    • 25596

                    #10
                    Originally posted by T.Ferguson

                    He goes on to talk about all the recent playoff losses so I think that is what he's referring to. The way he's rationalizing the losses too is really scary. For the Browns loss apparently COVID was to blame lol what the hell??
                    I'm not going to defend what Rooney said. But if you remember, that's the season they ended up playing on a Wednesday. After that game they went into a month-long skid. Roethlisberger and the offense were terrible during that stretch. And there is no way Rooney would besmirch a HOF QB as the explanation.

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                    • WindyCitySteel
                      Legend
                      • Nov 2011
                      • 15025

                      #11
                      Originally posted by T.Ferguson

                      He goes on to talk about all the recent playoff losses so I think that is what he's referring to. The way he's rationalizing the losses too is really scary. For the Browns loss apparently COVID was to blame lol what the hell??
                      It’s pure hubris.

                      "We are the Pittsburgh Steelers and this is how we do things.”

                      They’re under the mistaken impression that they’re still a model organization.

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                      • T.Ferguson
                        Pro Bowler
                        • Sep 2021
                        • 2346

                        #12
                        Originally posted by NorthCoast

                        I'm not going to defend what Rooney said. But if you remember, that's the season they ended up playing on a Wednesday. After that game they went into a month-long skid. Roethlisberger and the offense were terrible during that stretch. And there is no way Rooney would besmirch a HOF QB as the explanation.
                        At this point it's pretty apparent they are just too close with Tomlin and they can't be objectively critical.

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                        • Buzz
                          Legend
                          • Dec 2017
                          • 8186

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Flasteel

                          The knee-jerk reaction is making wholesale changes in response to the five-game losing streak. You can certainly open up the lens and look at the past seven years, but that's not what he's referring to.
                          Well, that's what they need to do, because the issues this season pretty much reflect the patterns that have been going on over that multi-year period.

                          If they treat the 2024 season as some kind of outlier, they'll miss the boat and likely repeat a bunch of the some old crap, resulting in the same sort of outcome.

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                          • WindyCitySteel
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                            • Nov 2011
                            • 15025

                            #14
                            Tomlin: We’re not going to keep doing the same things and expect different results.

                            Steelers: All coaches returning, plus this:

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                            • pfelix73
                              Hall of Famer
                              • Aug 2008
                              • 3435

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Oviedo
                              If someone doesn't like how the Steelers do things, there are 31 other options.

                              They aren't always right, but they make the decisions.

                              They put out a quality product year after year at a rate most franchise would beg to have
                              You are so right in your statements. They are the most successful team in the NFL in the past 55 years or so, so people can just go and root for one of the other 31 teams if they so choose.

                              They give their teams a legitimate chance every year to 1. win a division, 2. make the playoffs, then 3. try to win the SB. Sometimes, I do think it might be time to make a change, just because change is good and fresh, but I'm so glad they aren't hiring/ firing coaches every 4 years. See Dallas, Chicago, Carolina, etc.

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