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  • NorthCoast
    Legend
    • Sep 2008
    • 25614

    Sound Familiar?

    I swear I had to double check and make sure I wasn't on a Steelers forum.

    From a Ravens forum:

    Yep we have one of the most talented teams in the entire league. Can't be always going out like this

    Bottom line, it's the coaching. Can't be anything but at this point


    What does John Harbaugh bring to the table?
    I’m struggling. Maybe the frustration is getting to me.
    he has never been a offensive or defensive coordinator, so it’s not like you would expect he could impact either side of the ball particularly on game day.
    His main experience was special teams coordinator. if we don’t have the worst special teams in the league, we have got to be close. Kicker, punter, punt return.
    we have all suffered through countless bonehead clock management/end of game decisions over many years
    Challenge flag is not a strength.
    The team is seemingly always at or near the top when it comes to penalties.
    What are the strengths he has that keeps him in the HC role? Is it personnel evaluation? Staff selection? Is it PR? Great motivator? Ability to regularly deliver above average regular season results (“good enough for management”)? The one Super Bowl win 12 years ago? It’s got to be something. What is it?
    GAME THEORY!!1!1!! - Still waiting to hear what games it has won for the team specifically.
    CULTURE!111!!!!!1!1! - Like players apparently half assing it out there, demanding trades, and being the most penalized team of the last decade.
    Oh and he has some mean dance moves!​
    There has never been a head coach who is literally (just a face and name) more than John Harbaugh who kept his job as long as he has. Most NFL owners are impatient and would have FIRED him long ago during those .500 years between 2013-2018. We have seen teams fire better coaches with better records for much less. But we have an owner who has allowed his friendships with Decosta and Harbaugh interfere with what a smart business owner would have done. Once an owner saw the talent Lamar has, he would be going all in getting his team to pull out all stops to win as many rings as possible but that is not what happened.

    Look no further than this year (the safety positions and now Kicker) where nothing has been done to address it. Sure they finally cut Eddie Jackson and benched Marcus Williams but it took 3/4 of the season to do so, and then league leading failures in kicking and NOT A DAMN THING HAS BEEN DONE TO ADDRESS IT. Hell your idiot head coach just doubled down on not fixing it.

    Harbaugh is a fraud when it comes to being an actual coach. How does the Special Teams GURU not fix the kicking and punting and return problems that have plagued the team all year?​
    My biggest irritation is how both the local and national media still gets on their hands and knees for this guy. The same folks who mercilessly blast Mike McCarthy and even Nick Sirianni earlier in the year don't ever have a negative thing to say about John. It's always someone else's fault
    You've hit most every nail on the head. I would suggest that he does play a large role in the offense and defense because he hires the coordinators. He made a good pick in Mike McDonald but that pick was mostly because he was associated with the Ravens earlier as well as Jim Harbaugh. He made a questionable pick entrusting a supposed SB defense to a novice and, for most of the season, that has backfired except the last few games. Maybe Orr will get it all together in the end. We'll see. As for OC, he's never hired a really good one, IMO. (He didn't want Kubiak) Monken leaves much to be desired as is detailed in here weekly.

    Overall, the team underperforms when you consider its talent level. Winning championships is about getting the most out of all your available talent and the Ravens don't do it. So, you are right to wonder what Harbaugh does or does well. I guess we'll need 3-4 more years of this before his seat even gets warm. Of course, Lamar will be in his 30's by then.​
  • Northern_Blitz
    Legend
    • Dec 2008
    • 23538

    #2
    Thing is, unlike us they do have one of the most talented teams in the league.

    Baltimore lost this one rather than Buf winning it (it was a great game though).

    The Lamar int and fumble were brutal.

    The Andrews fumble was less bad imo.

    And even with that, they still tied it at the end... Except Andrews drops a super easy one.

    Really hard to look at conclude it's player player execution.

    And that the AFC is brutal.

    But fans think it's easier to magically fix problems by changing a coach.

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    • feltdizz
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 26993

      #3
      Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
      Thing is, unlike us they do have one of the most talented teams in the league.

      Baltimore lost this one rather than Buf winning it (it was a great game though).

      The Lamar int and fumble were brutal.

      The Andrews fumble was less bad imo.

      And even with that, they still tied it at the end... Except Andrews drops a super easy one.

      Really hard to look at conclude it's player player execution.

      And that the AFC is brutal.

      But fans think it's easier to magically fix problems by changing a coach.
      how was the Andrews fumble less bad? They had momentum and were driving for the lead when he fumbled after a first down. That fumble was just as bad if not worse.
      Steelers 27
      Rats 16

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      • Northern_Blitz
        Legend
        • Dec 2008
        • 23538

        #4
        Originally posted by feltdizz

        how was the Andrews fumble less bad? They had momentum and were driving for the lead when he fumbled after a first down. That fumble was just as bad if not worse.
        It was bad for them in the game. But it was less of a stupid mistake by the player IMO.

        I didn't super-analyze the Andrews fumble, but in real-time I felt like it was more a great play by the defender (as opposed to the Lamar turnovers where the D didn't really do anything special).

        The interception was an absolutely brutal throw with no Rats even in the frame. Like the defender was the target...maybe the WR fell down or something? It was just such a bad throw and Lamar's been a really good passer this year.

        And the fumble was just a "Justin Fields Special" where he just tried way to hard to be a hero instead of going down and ending the play.

        But again...even with all of these stupid mistakes they still should have tied the game. But Andrews misses a really, really easy catch. That one's going to haunt him IMO.

        FWIW I think the Ravens were the better team. But Lamar and Andrews threw the game away.

        But I wanted the Bills to win...I'm hoping they win the SB.

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        • feltdizz
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 26993

          #5
          Originally posted by Northern_Blitz

          It was bad for them in the game. But it was less of a stupid mistake by the player IMO.

          I didn't super-analyze the Andrews fumble, but in real-time I felt like it was more a great play by the defender (as opposed to the Lamar turnovers where the D didn't really do anything special).

          The interception was an absolutely brutal throw with no Rats even in the frame. Like the defender was the target...maybe the WR fell down or something? It was just such a bad throw and Lamar's been a really good passer this year.

          And the fumble was just a "Justin Fields Special" where he just tried way to hard to be a hero instead of going down and ending the play.

          But again...even with all of these stupid mistakes they still should have tied the game. But Andrews misses a really, really easy catch. That one's going to haunt him IMO.

          FWIW I think the Ravens were the better team. But Lamar and Andrews threw the game away.

          But I wanted the Bills to win...I'm hoping they win the SB.
          Thing about the Andrews fumble is if he runs straight he is fine but he tried to cut back which was a huge mistake.

          and even with all 3 turnovers they had a chance to tie and Andrews drops an easy catch.

          I’m rooting for Philly or DC to win it all.
          Steelers 27
          Rats 16

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          • Buzz
            Legend
            • Dec 2017
            • 8190

            #6
            Can't help but love Jayden Daniels (jealous that we don't have him)
            For a rookie, the dude seems so composed
            Quinn and Kingsbury have done a great job turning that outfit around

            But Buffalo has never won a SB. I'm cheering for them.

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            • Eich
              Legend
              • Jul 2010
              • 6843

              #7
              What Daniels and the Commanders have done gives you hope that you can just turn it all around in an instant. Hard to believe a rookie can play that composed. But it was against a defense that has had probably more injuries than any other in the league. Will be interesting to watch them next weekend.

              Rooting for a Bills / Commanders Super Bowl. Something very different for a change.

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              • Eich
                Legend
                • Jul 2010
                • 6843

                #8
                And yeah, the bitching about Hairball sounds very familiar. But at least they got past the first round and even humiliated us on the way. That counts for something. We have absolutely nothing to hang our hat on about this season. Total collapse and failure to end it with a 5 game losing streak and beat downs.

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                • crushedspirit
                  Pro Bowler
                  • Feb 2021
                  • 2178

                  #9
                  One can look at the turnovers, but to me the biggest failure was in the first half by only handing off the ball to your true MVP 7 times in 28 plays. He makes the offense work, not Lamar.

                  Monken and Harbaugh need to be asked why.

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                  • NorthCoast
                    Legend
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 25614

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Northern_Blitz

                    It was bad for them in the game. But it was less of a stupid mistake by the player IMO.

                    I didn't super-analyze the Andrews fumble, but in real-time I felt like it was more a great play by the defender (as opposed to the Lamar turnovers where the D didn't really do anything special).

                    The interception was an absolutely brutal throw with no Rats even in the frame. Like the defender was the target...maybe the WR fell down or something? It was just such a bad throw and Lamar's been a really good passer this year.

                    And the fumble was just a "Justin Fields Special" where he just tried way to hard to be a hero instead of going down and ending the play.

                    But again...even with all of these stupid mistakes they still should have tied the game. But Andrews misses a really, really easy catch. That one's going to haunt him IMO.

                    FWIW I think the Ravens were the better team. But Lamar and Andrews threw the game away.

                    But I wanted the Bills to win...I'm hoping they win the SB.
                    Welp, chalk one up to Andrews.

                    And this one to LJ:

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                    • WindyCitySteel
                      Legend
                      • Nov 2011
                      • 15044

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                      Thing is, unlike us they do have one of the most talented teams in the league.
                      You say this as if coaches are not part of the roster construction. Guys who have been in the league as long as Harbaugh and Tomlin have a lot of control over the makeup of the roster and team personality.

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                      • Northern_Blitz
                        Legend
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 23538

                        #12
                        Originally posted by WindyCitySteel

                        You say this as if coaches are not part of the roster construction. Guys who have been in the league as long as Harbaugh and Tomlin have a lot of control over the makeup of the roster and team personality.
                        And you say this like all a coach has to do to get even an above average QB is to realize that it's good to have a good QB.

                        FWIW, I do give a lot of credit to Harbaugh for what they did with Jackson. I think that's one of the very few examples of developing a QB in the NFL.

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                        • Joel Buchsbaum
                          Legend
                          • Jan 2021
                          • 7377

                          #13
                          Originally posted by NorthCoast
                          I swear I had to double check and make sure I wasn't on a Steelers forum.

                          From a Ravens forum:



                          What does John Harbaugh bring to the table?







                          Well coaches do not throw interceotions nor do they fumble the ball. Quote a murder of Ravens fans carefully.
                          Last edited by Joel Buchsbaum; 01-20-2025, 07:33 PM.
                          Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                          Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                          *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                          • NorthCoast
                            Legend
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 25614

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum

                            Well coaches do not throw interceotions and fumble the ball. Quote murder of Ravens thoughts cafefully.
                            English?....

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                            • Joel Buchsbaum
                              Legend
                              • Jan 2021
                              • 7377

                              #15
                              Originally posted by NorthCoast

                              English?....
                              You beat me to the spell check.
                              Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                              Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                              *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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