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  • Captain Lemming
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    • Jun 2008
    • 15963

    #16
    Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
    Not so much in Green Bay, but in Dallas MM is the victim of the NFL Cowboys hype machine. Every year they go into the season with sky-high expectations, and every year they fall well short. It has been years since the Steelers have been predicted to win anything, and they are more likely to be projected to finish fourth in the division than first since Ben retired.

    There are plenty of factors involved, but this is what's on the surface and obvious, so it is what the narrative remains.
    This. Tomlin outperforms low expectation based on his roster, MM underperforms high expectations based on his roster. Nevertheless, Windys correct in that to the extent that Tomlin is responsible for the roster he bears a measure of responsibility for its composition.
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    In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

    TCFCLTC-
    The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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    • Northern_Blitz
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      • Dec 2008
      • 23529

      #17
      Originally posted by WindyCitySteel

      It’s talked about almost every year and then a late-season collapse silences that talk. Which year(s) do you think he should have won COTY?
      I'm not saying he should have won.

      You are saying that the media (who vote on the award) slobber all over him. And that he gets all of this praise showering down on him from the heavens.

      But if your narrative is correct, how come his supposed sycophants in the media never gave him coach of the year?

      Again...I think national media guys are super lazy and always have the story that's the path of least resistance for him. And given that we don't have bad seasons and always seem to be at least competing for a playoff spot, it's just the super easy thing they can always say about the Steelers.

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      • Buzz
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        • Dec 2017
        • 8186

        #18
        Tomlin comes across as coach cool. MM does not. That's it. That's why the difference in the media treatment. Doesn't have anything to do with any huge difference in coaching ability/performance, IMO.

        This shouldn't be surprising. How often have we seen the same kind of thing in the media when it comes to business people, performers, politicians, etc.? It's really a bunch of crap, but I don't expect it to change anytime soon.

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        • WindyCitySteel
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          • Nov 2011
          • 15025

          #19
          Originally posted by Northern_Blitz


          But if your narrative is correct, how come his supposed sycophants in the media never gave him coach of the year?
          I just explained why. When has he deserved it?

          In 2008 it went to Mike Smith, who turned the 4-12 Falcons into 11-5.

          2010 Went to Belichick.

          2020 he had it sewn up after 11 games and then they collapsed.

          Same with 2019 after 13 games.

          Same with this year after 13 games.

          Same with 2023 until the three straight horrible losses.

          Gotta finish.

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          • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
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            • May 2008
            • 9909

            #20
            Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
            I think national media guys are super lazy and always have the story that's the path of least resistance for him.
            I think that by and large, you are correct that the national media is very lazy. I would say that it's the reason why once an OL gets a rep, he makes the pro-bowl every year. A guy like Pouncey was being pencilled in every year, even after his play went to crap. It is why you'll hear the Steelers referred to as a team that runs behind their powerful Oline, even though that hasn't existed for many years. The media will report memories from days gone by as facts for today.
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            • Northern_Blitz
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              • Dec 2008
              • 23529

              #21
              Originally posted by WindyCitySteel

              I just explained why. When has he deserved it?

              In 2008 it went to Mike Smith, who turned the 4-12 Falcons into 11-5.

              2010 Went to Belichick.

              2020 he had it sewn up after 11 games and then they collapsed.

              Same with 2019 after 13 games.

              Same with this year after 13 games.

              Same with 2023 until the three straight horrible losses.

              Gotta finish.
              But isn't your point that they give him all kinds of praise he doesn't deserve?

              Why not give him an award he doesn't deserve for kind of "lifetime achievement"?

              They did it for Garrett last year.

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              • feltdizz
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                • May 2008
                • 26988

                #22
                Originally posted by Buzz
                Tomlin comes across as coach cool. MM does not. That's it. That's why the difference in the media treatment. Doesn't have anything to do with any huge difference in coaching ability/performance, IMO.

                This shouldn't be surprising. How often have we seen the same kind of thing in the media when it comes to business people, performers, politicians, etc.? It's really a bunch of crap, but I don't expect it to change anytime soon.
                Nope. Its simply because Tomlin was hired by the Steelers.

                Name any other Steeler coach who was talked about nationally when it comes to firing head coaches after a bad season?

                You only have 3 to choose from in the SB era. That alone should tell you why the media doesn’t talk about Tomlin the way they talk about almost every other HC who has a few disappointing seasons.

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                • WindyCitySteel
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                  • Nov 2011
                  • 15025

                  #23
                  Originally posted by feltdizz

                  Nope. Its simply because Tomlin was hired by the Steelers.

                  Name any other Steeler coach who was talked about nationally when it comes to firing head coaches after a bad season?

                  You only have 3 to choose from in the SB era. That alone should tell you why the media doesn’t talk about Tomlin the way they talk about almost every other HC who has a few disappointing seasons.
                  No, you’re still wrong. People are getting out in front of this saying the Steelers SHOULD not fire Tomlin, not WILL not.

                  They would be crazy to, not fans are crazy to think they will given the history.

                  You seem to be missing that obvious difference.

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                  • WindyCitySteel
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                    • Nov 2011
                    • 15025

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Northern_Blitz

                    But isn't your point that they give him all kinds of praise he doesn't deserve?

                    Why not give him an award he doesn't deserve for kind of "lifetime achievement"?

                    They did it for Garrett last year.
                    They don’t have to give reasons for not giving him an award, unless asked, has that ever happened?

                    That’s different than actively calling for his firing, which would bring backlash.

                    Better to just keep quiet, instead plenty have to get out in front daring people to call for his firing.

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                    • feltdizz
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                      • May 2008
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by WindyCitySteel

                      No, you’re still wrong. People are getting out in front of this saying the Steelers SHOULD not fire Tomlin, not WILL not.

                      They would be crazy to, not fans are crazy to think they will given the history.

                      You seem to be missing that obvious difference.
                      “people”’are getting out in front of what again?

                      if its the idea of firing Tomlin then there is no double standard as you suggested.



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                      • WindyCitySteel
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                        • Nov 2011
                        • 15025

                        #26
                        Originally posted by feltdizz

                        “people”’are getting out in front of what again?

                        if its the idea of firing Tomlin then there is no double standard as you suggested.


                        I can’t break it down any simpler, you just don’t want to believe what you see with your eyes and hear with your ears.

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                        • feltdizz
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                          • May 2008
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by WindyCitySteel

                          I just explained why. When has he deserved it?

                          In 2008 it went to Mike Smith, who turned the 4-12 Falcons into 11-5.

                          2010 Went to Belichick.

                          2020 he had it sewn up after 11 games and then they collapsed.

                          Same with 2019 after 13 games.

                          Same with this year after 13 games.

                          Same with 2023 until the three straight horrible losses.

                          Gotta finish.
                          Mike Tomlin went 12-4 and won a SB in 2008 but Mile Brown finishing 11-5 was better.

                          the award is silly. It rarely goes to the “best” coach, it usually goes to the coach with the best turnaround or best storyline.
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                          • feltdizz
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                            • May 2008
                            • 26988

                            #28
                            Originally posted by WindyCitySteel

                            I can’t break it down any simpler, you just don’t want to believe what you see with your eyes and hear with your ears.
                            find a mirror and repeat what you just wrote above.

                            you just said people get out in front of “it”

                            what is “it”??


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                            • WindyCitySteel
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                              • Nov 2011
                              • 15025

                              #29
                              Originally posted by feltdizz

                              find a mirror and repeat what you just wrote above.

                              you just said people get out in front of “it”

                              what is “it”??

                              You are saying that they don’t talk about firing MT because they know it won’t happen, but that’s not the argument I’m making. The argument is that they are calling fans wanting his firing crazy because they think he’s a great coach saddled with a subpar roster.

                              Conversely, the Pittsburgh media, which is much closer to the situation, mostly think it’s time and they also know he has a large hand in roster building.

                              The national coverage of Tomlin is seen through the lens of political correctness.

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                              • Buzz
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                                • Dec 2017
                                • 8186

                                #30
                                Originally posted by feltdizz

                                Nope. Its simply because Tomlin was hired by the Steelers.

                                Name any other Steeler coach who was talked about nationally when it comes to firing head coaches after a bad season?

                                You only have 3 to choose from in the SB era. That alone should tell you why the media doesn’t talk about Tomlin the way they talk about almost every other HC who has a few disappointing seasons.
                                I disagree.

                                I think that if Tomlin had been HC of the Cowboys and MM had been HC the Steelers, it would still be the case that you would see media favoritism for Tomlin but not McCarthy. And that difference would be mainly because of the perception of the two men's personalities. I can't count the number of times I've heard some media head gush over a Tomlin answer in a press conference... they love him, sometimes, they even seem awe-struck, because of the way he handles/expresses himself in communicating, in dealing with them. I don't think I've ever heard them doing the same for McCarthy.

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