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  • WindyCitySteel
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    • Nov 2011
    • 15044

    Why the double standard?

    One constantly berated by national fans and media, the other adored. What is the difference? Why is this a thing?

    Spare me the talent arguments, Tomlin has control of the roster more than most and inherited a much more talented team than MM did in either place, and has had a talented defense fail to show up in the playoffs for a very long time.

  • NorthCoast
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    • Sep 2008
    • 25614

    #2
    I think this topic was covered elsewhere....

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    • Eich
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      • Jul 2010
      • 6843

      #3
      It is odd that Tomlin is universally talked about as the coach teams would line up to hire. At this point, why? Just because of that "never had a losing season" stat? I guess it also helps that he's the coach of the Steelers and has never been fired.

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      • Joel Buchsbaum
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        • Jan 2021
        • 7377

        #4
        Originally posted by Eich
        It is odd that Tomlin is universally talked about as the coach teams would line up to hire. At this point, why? Just because of that "never had a losing season" stat? I guess it also helps that he's the coach of the Steelers and has never been fired.
        I am not so sure about that. This is a media talking point.
        Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

        Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

        *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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        • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
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          • May 2008
          • 9915

          #5
          Not so much in Green Bay, but in Dallas MM is the victim of the NFL Cowboys hype machine. Every year they go into the season with sky-high expectations, and every year they fall well short. It has been years since the Steelers have been predicted to win anything, and they are more likely to be projected to finish fourth in the division than first since Ben retired.

          There are plenty of factors involved, but this is what's on the surface and obvious, so it is what the narrative remains.
          http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...to_Mike/to.jpg

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          • feltdizz
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            • May 2008
            • 26993

            #6
            why are you so invested in McCarthy?

            If Tomlin was in Dallas he would be talked about and fired just like McCarthy.

            If McCarthy was in Pittsburgh with Tomlin’s record he would still be the head coach and praised for never having a losing season.

            The media knows we won’t fire a HC so they won’t waste energy on the topic.
            Steelers 27
            Rats 16

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            • WindyCitySteel
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              • Nov 2011
              • 15044

              #7
              Originally posted by feltdizz
              why are you so invested in McCarthy?
              Because as the graphic I did not create shows, the parallels are striking, save for the public opinion. One is pilloried, another is lauded.

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              • Northern_Blitz
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                • Dec 2008
                • 23538

                #8
                Originally posted by feltdizz
                why are you so invested in McCarthy?

                If Tomlin was in Dallas he would be talked about and fired just like McCarthy.

                If McCarthy was in Pittsburgh with Tomlin’s record he would still be the head coach and praised for never having a losing season.

                The media knows we won’t fire a HC so they won’t waste energy on the topic.
                Yep.

                This stat is about Rooney, not about Tomlin.

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                • WindyCitySteel
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                  • Nov 2011
                  • 15044

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Northern_Blitz

                  Yep.

                  This stat is about Rooney, not about Tomlin.
                  The media and fans around the league don’t talk about Rooney or Jones, though — they talk about the quality of these two coaches in stark contrast to each other.

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                  • Northern_Blitz
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                    • Dec 2008
                    • 23538

                    #10
                    Originally posted by WindyCitySteel

                    The media and fans around the league don’t talk about Rooney or Jones, though — they talk about the quality of these two coaches in stark contrast to each other.
                    Edited to add:I think the best answer is probably that national media don't really know all that much about any single team. And my guess is that they are generally very lazy and don't want to research anything too hard. So they look for the easiest story line. And "Tomlin in is at least in the hunt for the playoffs this year, like every year" is great lazy story for them. No work required. True every year.

                    I think Tomlin is mostly talked about the way he is because [no particular order]: (1) players genuinely seem to love him...I think often rated by players as the coach they'd most like to play for, (2) he's the longest tenured coach in the league...that's because of Rooney, (3) he doesn't have bad seasons, (5) he coaches a team that has among the best win/loss records in the league since he entered the league, (4 ) he's squeezed more out of teams with bad QBs than expected, (5) he hasn't won a playoff game in a long time, (6) he's a "great quote" for them...

                    I'm sure there are more reasons.

                    I also think that the premise of your question is flawed.

                    If the media and fans love Tomlin so much, why have the media never voted him Coach of the Year?

                    It's probably because they aren't nearly as biased toward Tomlin as you think. But that doesn't fit the story, right?
                    Last edited by Northern_Blitz; 01-16-2025, 08:51 PM.

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                    • hawaiiansteel
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                      • May 2008
                      • 34764

                      #11
                      Mike McCarthy's playoff record as the Cowboys head coach is 1-3.

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                      • whatever
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                        • Sep 2019
                        • 5467

                        #12
                        You know the answer
                        How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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                        • T.Ferguson
                          Pro Bowler
                          • Sep 2021
                          • 2348

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum

                          I am not so sure about that. This is a media talking point.
                          Yeah it's hard to tell how much of it is a media narrative and how much of it is actually based in reality. When it comes to Tomlin and the national media one should always be skeptical at this point.

                          I know some players have been quoted saying positive things about Tomlin but that doesn't necessarily mean much. I mean TJ Watt, a generational talent, has said numerous nice things about Tomlin, he's also never won a playoff game under Tomlin, a HoF player, and it's looking more and more likely he never will with Pittsburgh.

                          On the flip side you have numerous players saying how much they disliked playing under Belichick but yeah we know how that turned out.

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                          • WindyCitySteel
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                            • Nov 2011
                            • 15044

                            #14
                            Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                            Mike McCarthy's playoff record as the Cowboys head coach is 1-3.
                            Yep, not good and he rightfully gets heat for it. Over the same time frame, Tomlin is 0-4 and the media lines up with excuse after excuse.

                            2 of MM’s 3 losses were close games to the Niners. The Steelers were buried in all 4.

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                            • WindyCitySteel
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                              • Nov 2011
                              • 15044

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                              If the media and fans love Tomlin so much, why have the media never voted him Coach of the Year?
                              It’s talked about almost every year and then a late-season collapse silences that talk. Which year(s) do you think he should have won COTY?

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